General Election 2019 thread (1 Viewer)

[shmmeee]

Puts them in a sticky spot then don't it as they can't please both sides of the Ref

Labour are banking on Brexit not lasting forever. Whether that’s a smart bet is a whole other question.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The last 7-8 years record of the Tory's on NHS laid out in black and white for all to see......abysmal.

They are shit stats but like most stats you also need to scratch beneath the surface a little.

After the 2004 GP deal, doctors were no longer required to work out of hours and since then A&E admissions have shot up by millions per annum (as people can’t get to see their doc during the evening and weekends)

The counter argument will obviously be more cash should be ploughed into the NHS. As I’ve said before, on it’s own it’s not the answer. For example and what I also find almost bizarre is how we have 25m A&E admissions every year...frightening really but also possibly suggests that people are misusing the NHS.

 

[shmmeee]

They are shit stats but like most stats you also need to scratch beneath the surface a little.

After the 2004 GP deal, doctors were no longer required to work out of hours and since then A&E admissions have shot up by millions per annum (as people can’t get to see their doc during the evening and weekends)

The counter argument will obviously be more cash should be ploughed into the NHS. As I’ve said before, on it’s own it’s not the answer. For example and what I also find almost bizarre is how we have 25m A&E admissions every year...frightening really but also possibly suggests that people are misusing the NHS.

People in the NHS will tell you there’s been a noticeable change since 2010. Also social care cuts are putting pressure onto A&E.

the GP thing did have some impact but the growth has been steady since 2004 and funding hasn’t kept pace.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Labour are banking on Brexit not lasting forever. Whether that’s a smart bet is a whole other question.

Its hardly a smart bet is it come on, they will be losing lots of voters due to upsetting both sides

 

[Philosoraptor]

So tell us again about this PFI?

 

[shmmeee]

Its hardly a smart bet is it come on, they will be losing lots of voters due to upsetting both sides

How long do you reckon the majority will vote along Brexit lines?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

How long do you reckon the majority will vote along Brexit lines?

Its a massive influence atm so Id say a long time

 

[shmmeee]

Its a massive influence atm so Id say a long time

Maybe I’m dense but I don’t get why. Once we are out going back in is a lot less attractive than staying in on our special deal. Most people I talk to outside of politics just want it over with. What are Brexiters going to be demanding once we are out?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Maybe I’m dense but I don’t get why. Once we are out going back in is a lot less attractive than staying in on our special deal. Most people I talk to outside of politics just want it over with. What are Brexiters going to be demanding once we are out?

That we get on with other issues which is what Boris has said

 

[Philosoraptor]

Just had a glance over at the bookies.

The Tories still favourite for Coventry South, the margin being a lot more then in Coventry North West where it is literally a two horse race with either side jockeying for position. Labour though being just a nose ahead.

In Coventry North East the big question is; Who is the Labour candidate? What does she stand for? Will she give local media interviews?

 

[Philosoraptor]

I am guessing but if anyone wanted to campaign as a spoiling candidate or wanted to bring change to the way City has been ran, or on a particular topic of interest then this would be the Election to put yourself forward. Where the votes between the political parties are so close.

Every vote counts.

 

[Philosoraptor]

It wouldn't be a General Election if we didn't have one independent candidate taking on the case for Coventry City.

 

[CCFCSteve]

People in the NHS will tell you there’s been a noticeable change since 2010. Also social care cuts are putting pressure onto A&E.

the GP thing did have some impact but the growth has been steady since 2004 and funding hasn’t kept pace.

agree about issues with social care and aging population putting far more stress on nhs/A&E.

The GP contract had a significant impact and with hindsight appears to have been a badly negotiated deal the way it was structured (BMA couldn’t believe their luck).

not saying that the sole cause of the waiting times but it’s certainly one of the main contributors

 

[CCFCSteve]

Don’t think it will be anywhere near that size of majority but interesting/surprising prediction of ‘class’ voting

Tories more popular with working class than upper class, poll shows

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Don’t think it will be anywhere near that size of majority but interesting/surprising prediction of ‘class’ voting

Tories more popular with working class than upper class, poll shows

Just like Boris is more popular with the youth than Corbyn, lefties will still say different though

Boris Johnson has youth on his side in opinion poll as 18-24 group pick PM over Jeremy Corbyn

 

[fernandopartridge]

They are shit stats but like most stats you also need to scratch beneath the surface a little.

After the 2004 GP deal, doctors were no longer required to work out of hours and since then A&E admissions have shot up by millions per annum (as people can’t get to see their doc during the evening and weekends)

The counter argument will obviously be more cash should be ploughed into the NHS. As I’ve said before, on it’s own it’s not the answer. For example and what I also find almost bizarre is how we have 25m A&E admissions every year...frightening really but also possibly suggests that people are misusing the NHS.

Yes, budget cuts across the whole spectrum of public services is the cause. People 'misuse' A&E in the absence of any other service, but no way it is misused to anywhere near the extent pushed by the government.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just like Boris is more popular with the youth than Corbyn, lefties will still say different though

Boris Johnson has youth on his side in opinion poll as 18-24 group pick PM over Jeremy Corbyn

Daily Telegraph reporting on the opinions of anybody under the age of 70 LOL

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Daily Telegraph reporting on the opinions of anybody under the age of 70 LOL

It was a yougov poll lad

 

[CCFCSteve]

Yes, budget cuts across the whole spectrum of public services is the cause. People 'misuse' A&E in the absence of any other service, but no way it is misused to anywhere near the extent pushed by the government.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2019/01/missed-gp-appointmentscosting-nhs-millions/

15m missed GP appointments....its disgraceful !

people abuse the system because it’s ‘free’. Whilst cutting that out doesn’t solve the problem people have got to start taking personal responsibility.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

agree about issues with social care and aging population putting far more stress on nhs/A&E.

The GP contract had a significant impact and with hindsight appears to have been a badly negotiated deal the way it was structured (BMA couldn’t believe their luck).

not saying that the sole cause of the waiting times but it’s certainly one of the main contributors

Both the GP and social care have impacted - one on the way in, the other on the way out.

Shorter GP opening has resulted in more going in, but lack of social care places means people, esp elderly, aren't able to leave despite not needing the same level of care as provided in hospital. Hospitals have become bottlenecks.

I think one thing we should see is MP's and high ranking officials having to use the NHS for healthcare (without preferential treatment) and not private insurance etc meaning many don't experience the true problems in the service. It doesn't affect them to the same extent so aren't as bothered about it other than how it affects voting for them. Put them in the problem and you'd soon see an attempt to fix it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just like Boris is more popular with the youth than Corbyn, lefties will still say different though

Boris Johnson has youth on his side in opinion poll as 18-24 group pick PM over Jeremy Corbyn

I mean it's easy to see why:

1. A list of lies going back decades

2. Failed infrastructure projects as Mayor, proposals to build £15 billion bridges to NI

3. Pledges to offer pork pies to the Yanks to get trade deals

4. Holding a referendum by proxy instead of a referendum outright

5. Crashing the pound in the name of playing politics with the EU

6. Proroguing Parliament while claiming to care about its sovereignty

7. Getting his aides to block any members of the public trying to ask him difficult questions

8. Not costing anything in his pledges but coming out with costs for Labour policies before they have been released

9. He tells jokes

Real high quality leadership material right there. What a time to be alive.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Real high quality leadership material right there. What a time to be alive.

Oh yeah lets go with Jeremy Corbyn then, I'm sure we'll be much better off!!! NOT

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe I’m dense but I don’t get why. Once we are out going back in is a lot less attractive than staying in on our special deal. Most people I talk to outside of politics just want it over with. What are Brexiters going to be demanding once we are out?

More importantly who will they have to blame for immigration when they have their right wing majority in Parliament and exit from the EU?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Don’t think it will be anywhere near that size of majority but interesting/surprising prediction of ‘class’ voting

Tories more popular with working class than upper class, poll shows

Certainly surprises me. I understand voting for your own interests (I do actually understand why a small business owner might consider voting Tory) but I don't understand voting for somebody else's interests!

I also don't really understand why on earth Johnson seems to resonate with the common man! (as we'd all be viewed by the likes of De Pfeffel!)

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh yeah lets go with Jeremy Corbyn then, I'm sure we'll be much better off!!! NOT

Refute the points then Dumb. Is he not one of the biggest liars in the country? Did he not write essays for and against being in the EU before he calculated which would get him into No. 10? Isn't the Brexit deal he's brought back a rehash of what Theresa May tried to get through?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Certainly surprises me. I understand voting for your own interests (I do actually understand why a small business owner might consider voting Tory) but I don't understand voting for somebody else's interests!

I also don't really understand why on earth Johnson seems to resonate with the common man!

He tells wise cracks, drinks pints and waves Union Jacks.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Refute the points then Dumb. Is he not one of the biggest liars in the country? Did he not write essays for and against being in the EU before he calculated which would get him into No. 10? Isn't the Brexit deal he's brought back a rehash of what Theresa May tried to get through?

Keep loving off Corbyn ya knob, need to get you're head out the clouds and realise how bad he would be

Completely deluded

 

[shmmeee]

That we get on with other issues which is what Boris has said

So if we are getting on with other issues, how is Brexit still the main issue??

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Keep loving off Corbyn ya knob

I've criticised him loads of times. But can you not spot a lying fat toff even when he's waving a pint in front of your face?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Both the GP and social care have impacted - one on the way in, the other on the way out.

Shorter GP opening has resulted in more going in, but lack of social care places means people, esp elderly, aren't able to leave despite not needing the same level of care as provided in hospital. Hospitals have become bottlenecks.

I think one thing we should see is MP's and high ranking officials having to use the NHS for healthcare (without preferential treatment) and not private insurance etc meaning many don't experience the true problems in the service. It doesn't affect them to the same extent so aren't as bothered about it other than how it affects voting for them. Put them in the problem and you'd soon see an attempt to fix it.

agree and that’s also relevant in relation to a lot of areas in ‘real life’....MPs from all persuasions just don’t live in the real world !

cash is not the sole solution for the nhs though SBD. More obviously helps, however, with an ageing population and greater genuine calls on GP practices and hospitals it’s more important than ever for people to not take those services for granted

 

[shmmeee]

Oh yeah lets go with Jeremy Corbyn then, I'm sure we'll be much better off!!! NOT

Classic 90s comeback there. Old school.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Certainly surprises me. I understand voting for your own interests (I do actually understand why a small business owner might consider voting Tory) but I don't understand voting for somebody else's interests!

I also don't really understand why on earth Johnson seems to resonate with the common man!

Agree, it’s bizarre !!! He’s just one of those characters I guess

I think the party situation is more a reflection of where labour currently are to be honest. There is no way the Tories should have that sort of lead across the ‘working class’

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

So if we are getting on with other issues, how is Brexit still the main issue??

Because we haven't left yet....

Don't you find it ironic how we will leave in Jan if Boris wins yet there will be more delays if Corbyn gets in with another 6 months negotiating a new deal... You haven't got a leg to stand on

Oh yeah and all the delays from another referendum after the deal has been negotiated

 

[shmmeee]

agree about issues with social care and aging population putting far more stress on nhs/A&E.

The GP contract had a significant impact and with hindsight appears to have been a badly negotiated deal the way it was structured (BMA couldn’t believe their luck).

not saying that the sole cause of the waiting times but it’s certainly one of the main contributors

But waiting time’s have got noticeably worse at a faster rate the last five years. That’s my point. Maybe GP contracts had an impact 15 years ago but that doesn’t explain the changes since.

to be clear I’m talking about a change of rate, not a change of absolute numbers that could be explained by a historic factor.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

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