General Election 2019 thread (1 Viewer)

[shmmeee]

No reason why the conservatives can't take some SNP seats

Yeah, no reason why Labour won’t win a supermajority too, other than all signs point against it.

Who in Scotland is looking forward to an election?

Cons hit their high tide in Scotland last couple of elections. Not to mention they made gains as the party of the union and they’ve 180ed on that recently. Can’t be both the English National Party and the Conservative and Unionist Party.

 

[Astute]

Swinsons entire shtick is taking remain leaning anti-Corbyn voters. Corbyns is a balanced Brexit position and an expanded state. They can’t go into coalition without killing their own votes.

Best that could happen is unilateral decisions to stand down by individual candidates, which looks like it’s happening in some places but then the Libs are trying their best to fuck that up. Because shooting themselves in the face is what Lib Dem’s do best.

So what exactly does Corbyn want to do with Brexit?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Yeah, no reason why Labour won’t win a supermajority too, other than all signs point against it.

Who in Scotland is looking forward to an election?

Cons hit their high tide in Scotland last couple of elections. Not to mention they made gains as the party of the union and they’ve 180ed on that recently. Can’t be both the English National Party and the Conservative and Unionist Party.

Fucking hell what happened to labour in Scotland, from 2010-2015 they virtually lost every seat

 

[shmmeee]

Fucking hell what happened to labour in Scotland, from 2010-2015 they virtually lost every seat

Indie Ref. They came out on the wrong side.

 

[Philosoraptor]

What happened in Scotland. Well here's one of the symptoms but not the root cause.

Apparently felt they were politically closer to the Tory's then SNP.

 

[shmmeee]

What happened in Scotland. Well here's one of the symptoms but not he root cause.

Apparently felt they were politically closer to the Tory's then SNP.

Which is weird cos the Tartan Tories aren’t called that for no reason.

I think like in Coventry, when you feel you’re untouchable standards slip.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Apparently, I may be wrong here but their argument in defence is that no one told them they can't do a coalition with the Tory's.

Yeah, that will be okay then.

 

[Grendel]

Other than the Tories are trying to force Brexit through and the Scottish want to remain in the EU.

more people voted to leave the EU in Scotland then for the SNP

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

more people voted to leave the EU in Scotland then for the SNP

How many options available on the ballot paper for the EU referendum? How many options available in a GE?

Besides a LOT more voted to remain in the EU

 

[Grendel]

How many options available on the ballot paper for the EU referendum? How many options available in a GE?

Besides a LOT more voted to remain in the EU

If it’s a choice of stay in the Eu or the Uk I don’t think so

 

[SBAndy]

more people voted to leave the EU in Scotland then for the SNP

Does that not suggest that the majority isn’t in fact on board with the idea of independence but are more accepting of left-of-centre/left wing policies? I don’t know an awful lot about Scottish politics but I understand that Labour up there under Blair/Brown were terrible. If someone could elaborate that would help.

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear the national Socialist Sturgeon it seems is trying to take legal action as she’s not invited in the leaders debate for the next PM

 

[Philosoraptor]

Does that not suggest that the majority isn’t in fact on board with the idea of independence but are more accepting of left-of-centre/left wing policies? I don’t know an awful lot about Scottish politics but I understand that Labour up there under Blair/Brown were terrible. If someone could elaborate that would help.

I think this question is a lot easier to answer then most. And it may not be the one that is universally accepted.

The Tories and Labour were the main parties in Scotland and then came Thatcher who used Scotland as the Poll Tax testing ground etc and all that jazz. The Tories lost their MPs in Scotland and it went Labour and Lib Dems. It would all depend where you were located in the country. The realisation then came that Labour was just as bad as Tories. Coupled with the Lib Dems joining the Conservatives in the coalition Government, the only other party you could vote for was the SNP. The SNP gained power in a landslide and then the last election, the three main parties started to make inroads again on the SNP vote. The Tories doing much better then expected.

What I put this down to is the political cycle of power and people wanting change, and no one party offering what the electorate really wants.

Whilst Scottish Independence may be on the mind of the SNP it is probably not on the mind of all their voters.

As with Scottish Tory and Labour voters who may vote for Scottish Independence. It is a personal choice.

The fun thing about the Scottish Independence vote is the last referendum broadcast by the 'better together' campaign which is coming back to haunt them.

Here's the video with added subtitles.

 

[Ian1779]

Look back. It was what you stated as fact. That is why I asked you questions. Now it seems that you agree with me. Nothing cryptic there.

Fine. If I have misunderstood, or got confused fair enough I apologise.

 

[skybluetony176]

So it’s a Blue Peter deal. Made from sticky back plastic and yogurt pots. It’s certainly recycled.

 

[Astute]

more people voted to leave the EU in Scotland then for the SNP

Not unusual when more people voted in the referendum than they do in a GE. And in a GE you get several choices not just in or out.

The Tories will get millions of votes less than leave. Does that mean we should call it off?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

General election: Johnson hopes for last-minute deal with Brexit Party's Farage

This gets better and better!! Common sense hopefully will prevail by the end of the day and the deal between Boris and Farage will be done

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Classic understanding of negotiation from Rebecca Long-Bailey

“we will take no deal off the table when we re-negotiate with the EU”

“Surely that weakens your position in a negotiation”

“Not at all the last thing the EU want Is a no deal”

The EU might well say "You can if you want to, but we shall bring it back to the table" further strengthening their position

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[SkyBlueDom26]

See Tusk is trying to stir things up again

 

[chiefdave]

General election: Johnson hopes for last-minute deal with Brexit Party's Farage

This gets better and better!! Common sense hopefully will prevail by the end of the day and the deal between Boris and Farage will be done

Have you read the article itself or just the headline?

the deal was turned down by Mr Farage

This bit made me laugh though

Priti Patel claims Tory analysis of Labour's proposals for open borders - using official figures and the government's own methodology

so made up then.

 

[skybluetony176]

It looks like getting the GE out the way before the annual winter A&E crisis didn’t pull off. October was a shit fest by the look of it A&E waiting times hit worst-ever level

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Have you read the article itself or just the headline?

This bit made me laugh though

so made up then.

11th hour deal is what hopefully will happen, talks will be ongoing.. means fuck all that the first deal was turned down

 

[skybluetony176]

Have you read the article itself or just the headline?

This bit made me laugh though

so made up then.

This is the same government who’s promised to fast track immigration into the NHS rather than make nursing an attractive occupation for the British people.

 

[chiefdave]

It looks like getting the GE out the way before the annual winter A&E crisis didn’t pull off. October was a shit fest by the look of it A&E waiting times hit worst-ever level

That's despite them trying to hold it together until after the election by taking what was described as emergency action.

Johnson haveing meetings with Simon Stevens, in charge of NHS England and Hancock, health secretary meeting him every Monday to make sure any crisis is headed off before becoming an election issue.

To be honest I'm not sure it makes much difference. Doesn't seem to matter how much evidence you present these days, people seemingly refuse to change their minds.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Genuine question for all you Corbyn lovers, would Labour joining the remain alliance actually be worse for them??? Surely doing that would lose them votes from leavers... Labour are in a sticky spot in regards on where they stand

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Oh dear the national Socialist Sturgeon it seems is trying to take legal action as she’s not invited in the leaders debate for the next PM

Its amazing Grendel how offensive she comes across yet still manages to get away with it

 

[fernandopartridge]

A&E waiting times the highest since records began.

 

[shmmeee]

Genuine question for all you Corbyn lovers, would Labour joining the remain alliance actually be worse for them??? Surely doing that would lose them votes from leavers... Labour are in a sticky spot in regards on where they stand

Not a Corbyn lover, but using my Dom Translator I assume that means Labour voters.

Labour aren’t a Remain party. They should maintain the balanced Brexit position they’ve always had, its right even if it does piss off the extremes. They’re a party of government and should govern for the entire country not just half of it like the others.

Politically I doubt it’d make much difference. Just as likely to scare off anti-Corbyn remainers as it is to gain votes from Libs stepping down IMO.

The best result is a fine balance between doing well enough to stop a Tory majority and not doing so well people scared of Corbyn vote Tory to keep him out. It’s not a result I expect but it’s the best Labour or Remain can hope for.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Not a Corbyn lover, but using my Dom Translator I assume that means Labour voters.

Labour aren’t a Remain party. They should maintain the balanced Brexit position they’ve always had, its right even if it does piss off the extremes. They’re a party of government and should govern for the entire country not just half of it like the others.

Politically I doubt it’d make much difference. Just as likely to scare off anti-Corbyn remainers as it is to gain votes from Libs stepping down IMO.

The best result is a fine balance between doing well enough to stop a Tory majority and not doing so well people scared of Corbyn vote Tory to keep him out. It’s not a result I expect but it’s the best Labour or Remain can hope for.

Puts them in a sticky spot then don't it as they can't please both sides of the Ref

 

[fernandopartridge]

Puts them in a sticky spot then don't it as they can't please both sides of the Ref

That is exactly the same case for the other parties

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That is exactly the same case for the other parties

No it isn't

Conservatives don't have any problems with being a leave party, don't think the 'get brexit done' will put off anyone voting for conservatives

Don't think anybody from the lib dem side wants brexit

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Don't think anybody from the lib dem side wants brexit

Except Tory leavers?

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[fernandopartridge]

No it isn't

Conservatives don't have any problems with being a leave party, don't think the 'get brexit done' will put off anyone voting for conservatives

Don't think anybody from the lib dem side wants brexit

Christ. They lost their majority due to their Brexit position.

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

It looks like getting the GE out the way before the annual winter A&E crisis didn’t pull off. October was a shit fest by the look of it A&E waiting times hit worst-ever level

The last 7-8 years record of the Tory's on NHS laid out in black and white for all to see......abysmal.

 

[shmmeee]

Christ. They lost their majority due to their Brexit position.

Long term they’ve got some real issues. Both the parties do, but a lot of Tory appeal to swing voters is based on competence and they’ve destroyed that reputation the last four years. The Brexit coalition also expects very different things domestically once it’s done. Half seem to have voted for more investment and better public services and half for low tax low regulation. Also a lot of Leave votes came from non voters who as every radical politician finds out can’t be relied on to vote at a GE. Add in the demographic issues (ageing base, home ownership down) and Id be very concerned if I was a Tory long term.

Labours issues are equally bad (reconcile socially conservative voters with liberal metropolitans). Interesting times ahead.