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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #1

Extinction Rebellion Co-Founder Admits to Driving a Diesel Car

Before Extinction Rebellion's brave foot soldiers continue saving the world by blocking ambulances and smashing windows, they might want to check whether
order-order.com
Do as I say not as I do!!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #2
It’sabatch87 said:

Extinction Rebellion Co-Founder Admits to Driving a Diesel Car

Before Extinction Rebellion's brave foot soldiers continue saving the world by blocking ambulances and smashing windows, they might want to check whether
order-order.com
Do as I say not as I do!!
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Well that’s climate change solved then

Seriously unless you’re being paid by oil companies like Order Order is why spread this shite? She’s right that it was thought Diesels were greener and that electrics are too expensive.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #3
shmmeee said:
Well that’s climate change solved then

Seriously unless you’re being paid by oil companies like Order Order is why spread this shite? She’s right that it was thought Diesels were greener and that electrics are too expensive.
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How can you defend her?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #4
It’sabatch87 said:
How can you defend her?
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Because she’s not done anything? She drives a diesel, so what? Does it invalidate her point about climate change? No.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #5
XR aren’t even a group requesting individual action. They’re a pressure group on governments. She isn’t telling people not to drive diesels, she’s telling govenrments to act so it’s not even hypocrisy.

Keep falling for billionaires games though mate. I’m sure they’ll let you play with them
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #6
shmmeee said:
XR aren’t even a group requesting individual action. They’re a pressure group on governments. She isn’t telling people not to drive diesels, she’s telling govenrments to act so it’s not even hypocrisy.

Keep falling for billionaires games though mate. I’m sure they’ll let you play with them
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You’d defend Jimmy savile or Denis Neilson no doubt!!
She’s a hypocrite who laughs at people like you defending her!!
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #7
Obviously not able to use an electric train or cycle to work, unless she can't afford it
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #8
RegTheDonk said:
Obviously not able to use an electric train or cycle to work, unless she can't afford it
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There is a more general point that the infrastructure for more green methods of travel is shit, and incredibly unaffordable when you think of trains for example.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #9
It’sabatch87 said:
You’d defend Jimmy savile or Denis Neilson no doubt!!
She’s a hypocrite who laughs at people like you defending her!!
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If politely suggest the one getting laughed at is the one giving out the outrage based on a Guido article and totally missing the notion of what XR and the climate emergency is about. The oil barons love people like you.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #10
Caroline Lucas was the funniest. The only green thing she’d support is Air Lingus - cheap US flights

Redirect Notice
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #11
Actually I take it back. The biggest twerp is the other green leader Jonathan Bartley - he thinks cars are not green and evil - they are when Jonathan is at the wheel - he once ran someone over and killed them - he’s more dangerous than CO2 if he’s at the wheel!
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #12
Ian1779 said:
If politely suggest the one getting laughed at is the one giving out the outrage based on a Guido article and totally missing the notion of what XR and the climate emergency is about. The oil barons love people like you.
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I’m sorry but she’s in the wrong can you not see that?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #13
It’sabatch87 said:
I’m sorry but she’s in the wrong can you not see that?
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Diesel engines emit less CO2 than petrol ones, that much is true. Maybe from an image perspective you might think she should have an electric vehicle at least.
But while you are outraged at this, the fossil fuel companies don’t have to do anything, because they aren’t being pressured whilst people divert the conversation onto what is ultimately quite a trivial notion.
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #14
It’sabatch87 said:
You’d defend Jimmy savile or Denis Neilson no doubt!!
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Bloody hell, hope you stretched your hamstrings before making that leap
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #15
I think if she eats meat she’d be more hypocritical. It’s still not really a gotcha though. It is impossible for anyone to complain about climate change and not be a hypocrite. Simply by being alive you have a carbon footprint. It’s very difficult in the modern age to live without a car, especially if you live in the middle of nowhere with no public transport links. When it comes to cars the greenest car you’ll ever own is a used car. Electric is good at helping clean air in built up areas but it isn’t a fix all. Lithium batteries have a massive carbon footprint, they’re really difficult to recycle at end of life and there’s also the small matter of how green is the electricity that you’re putting in it. If she lives in the middle of London then maybe it’s a gotcha. If she lives in a small town, village or the middle of nowhere then she probably is doing the greenest form of car ownership she can, especially if she owns a used car. In which case it isn’t a gotcha, it’s a case of the publication that issued this gotcha not understanding what they’re writing.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #16
skybluetony176 said:
I think if she eats meat she’d be more hypocritical. It’s still not really a gotcha though. It is impossible for anyone to complain about climate change and not be a hypocrite. Simply by being alive you have a carbon footprint. It’s very difficult in the modern age to live without a car, especially if you live in the middle of nowhere with no public transport links. When it comes to cars the greenest car you’ll ever own is a used car. Electric is good at helping clean air in built up areas but it isn’t a fix all. Lithium batteries have a massive carbon footprint, they’re really difficult to recycle at end of life and there’s also the small matter of how green is the electricity that you’re putting in it. If she lives in the middle of London then maybe it’s a gotcha. If she lives in a small town, village or the middle of nowhere then she probably is doing the greenest form of car ownership she can, especially if she owns a used car. In which case it isn’t a gotcha, it’s a case of the publication that issued this gotcha not understanding what they’re writing.
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She’s been caught out just wish these people whatever side of any argument admit it.
But she’ll probably be on a platform sometime soon with all the blind sheep lapping her hypocracy.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #17
If you want to see a hypocrite no one out doo’s old Boris. Telling us all we’ve got to be green and then flew to Cornwall for a photo opp, having previously flown to Hartlepool for a by election appearance. Apparently broken the ministerial code for the latter also.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 24, 2021
  • #18
It’sabatch87 said:
She’s been caught out just wish these people whatever side of any argument admit it.
But she’ll probably be on a platform sometime soon with all the blind sheep lapping her hypocracy.
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Caught out doing what? Owning a car? Like I’ve just pointed out, if she owns a second hand diesel car and doesn’t live in the middle of a large town or city she probably already owns the greenest car for her own personal circumstances.
 

SBAndy

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #19
It’sabatch87 said:
She’s been caught out just wish these people whatever side of any argument admit it.
But she’ll probably be on a platform sometime soon with all the blind sheep lapping her hypocracy.
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Bet she lives in a house and all rather than a tent. Fucking heathen.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #20
SBAndy said:
Bet she lives in a house and all rather than a tent. Fucking heathen.
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And if she does live in a tent I bet it’s made of plastic too.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #21
Grendel said:
Actually I take it back. The biggest twerp is the other green leader Jonathan Bartley - he thinks cars are not green and evil - they are when Jonathan is at the wheel - he once ran someone over and killed them - he’s more dangerous than CO2 if he’s at the wheel!
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Nah the Green Party monstrosity in Cov who's dad was a convicted child sex offender was worse.
 

richnrg

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #22
It’sabatch87 said:
You’d defend Jimmy savile or Denis Neilson no doubt!!
She’s a hypocrite who laughs at people like you defending her!!
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Not sure about Neilson, but pretty sure Jimmy Saville drove a petrol car
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #23
richnrg said:
Not sure about Neilson, but pretty sure Jimmy Saville drove a petrol car
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He ran about a lot though. That's green.

Maybe not the Cigars.
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #24
Perfectly normal to conflate a serial child sex offender with someone protesting against our planet dying.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #25
It’sabatch87 said:
I’m sorry but she’s in the wrong can you not see that?
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Big issue with diesels from a climate perspective is the particulates, which affect climate change because they increase the amount of rainfall. Diesels were lauded as a better fuel than petrol for years because they were far more efficient and used less fossil fuels. For years the tax incentives were based on getting people to switch to diesels in terms of fuel tax, road tax etc.Petrol efficiency has since caught up so that argument doesn't hold up hence why in the last few years the attitude towards diesel fuel has changed.

Also have to ask how old is the car she's driving. If it's a slightly older one then she could be considered to be more environmentally friendly because she'd have arguably bought it when it was considered the 'greener' alternative and, up to a point, keeping the older car running will have lower emissions than from building a new car. If it's under 2-3 years old then yes it's a stupid choice to make. If it's over 10 then chances are she would be better getting a newer petrol car in terms of emissions.

Protestors don't tend to be particularly well off so the cost of electric cars is probably beyond their financial means right now. There is still the argument that although the emissions out of the arse of the car are reduced there's still massive emissions for generating and distributing the electricity to power the car. It's not solved the problem, just pushed it further up the chain (although as we move towards more renewable sources this problem is reducing). There's also the environmental issues over mining for the metals needed for the batteries, like lithium.

Everyone will seemingly be a hypocrite somewhere. Dyson and JRM banged on about Brexit for ages then moved their businesses abroad. I want to see an end to homelessness. Do I let homeless people sleep in my house? No. I want to help towards climate change but I still eat meat.

Of course we need to all look at what we can do individually but it's all chicken feed compared to governments and big business and unless they're pressured to do something about it they won't. They'll do whatever is cheapest.
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #26
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Big issue with diesels from a climate perspective is the particulates, which affect climate change because they increase the amount of rainfall. Diesels were lauded as a better fuel than petrol for years because they were far more efficient and used less fossil fuels. For years the tax incentives were based on getting people to switch to diesels in terms of fuel tax, road tax etc.Petrol efficiency has since caught up so that argument doesn't hold up hence why in the last few years the attitude towards diesel fuel has changed.

Also have to ask how old is the car she's driving. If it's a slightly older one then she could be considered to be more environmentally friendly because she'd have arguably bought it when it was considered the 'greener' alternative and, up to a point, keeping the older car running will have lower emissions than from building a new car. If it's under 2-3 years old then yes it's a stupid choice to make. If it's over 10 then chances are she would be better getting a newer petrol car in terms of emissions.

Protestors don't tend to be particularly well off so the cost of electric cars is probably beyond their financial means right now. There is still the argument that although the emissions out of the arse of the car are reduced there's still massive emissions for generating and distributing the electricity to power the car. It's not solved the problem, just pushed it further up the chain (although as we move towards more renewable sources this problem is reducing). There's also the environmental issues over mining for the metals needed for the batteries, like lithium.

Everyone will seemingly be a hypocrite somewhere. Dyson and JRM banged on about Brexit for ages then moved their businesses abroad. I want to see an end to homelessness. Do I let homeless people sleep in my house? No. I want to help towards climate change but I still eat meat.

Of course we need to all look at what we can do individually but it's all chicken feed compared to governments and big business and unless they're pressured to do something about it they won't. They'll do whatever is cheapest.
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To all those that replied going on and on,
If a vegetarian/vegan told you not to eat meat and you saw him/her in maccy d’s scoffing a Big Mac would that be ok?
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #27
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Big issue with diesels from a climate perspective is the particulates, which affect climate change because they increase the amount of rainfall. Diesels were lauded as a better fuel than petrol for years because they were far more efficient and used less fossil fuels. For years the tax incentives were based on getting people to switch to diesels in terms of fuel tax, road tax etc.Petrol efficiency has since caught up so that argument doesn't hold up hence why in the last few years the attitude towards diesel fuel has changed.

Also have to ask how old is the car she's driving. If it's a slightly older one then she could be considered to be more environmentally friendly because she'd have arguably bought it when it was considered the 'greener' alternative and, up to a point, keeping the older car running will have lower emissions than from building a new car. If it's under 2-3 years old then yes it's a stupid choice to make. If it's over 10 then chances are she would be better getting a newer petrol car in terms of emissions.

Protestors don't tend to be particularly well off so the cost of electric cars is probably beyond their financial means right now. There is still the argument that although the emissions out of the arse of the car are reduced there's still massive emissions for generating and distributing the electricity to power the car. It's not solved the problem, just pushed it further up the chain (although as we move towards more renewable sources this problem is reducing). There's also the environmental issues over mining for the metals needed for the batteries, like lithium.

Everyone will seemingly be a hypocrite somewhere. Dyson and JRM banged on about Brexit for ages then moved their businesses abroad. I want to see an end to homelessness. Do I let homeless people sleep in my house? No. I want to help towards climate change but I still eat meat.

Of course we need to all look at what we can do individually but it's all chicken feed compared to governments and big business and unless they're pressured to do something about it they won't. They'll do whatever is cheapest.
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Do you think her rather expensive jolly jaunt to Costa Rica suggests :

A she is poor
B she is thinking of the planet
C She is a bit of a hypocrite

If she was changing at Florida she may have even sat next to Green Caroline

Werent you banging on about Johnson taking a flight to Cornwall once?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #28
It’sabatch87 said:
To all those that replied going on and on,
If a vegetarian/vegan told you not to eat meat and you saw him/her in maccy d’s scoffing a Big Mac would that be ok?
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She's not specifically telling people not to drive diesels though is she? She's campaigning to make governments and businesses do more to help the situation, which are a much bigger issue overall.

So it's more like her being in McD's eating fries.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #29
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
She's not specifically telling people not to drive diesels though is she? She's campaigning to make governments and businesses do more to help the situation, which are a much bigger issue overall.

So it's more like her being in McD's eating fries.
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She told people the other week to rinse plates before putting them in the dishwasher didnt she?
 
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SomersetSB

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #30
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
She's not specifically telling people not to drive diesels though is she? She's campaigning to make governments and businesses do more to help the situation, which are a much bigger issue overall.

So it's more like her being in McD's eating fries.
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She was co founder of a group that go on about
Pollution, being greener, spouting her views on people and has the cheek to disrespect her followers to do exactly the opposite of what she’s telling others to do.
It’s comical really, and people on here defend her
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #31
Lol


Dr Bradbrook's 2019 trip to Costa Rica had a carbon footprint of 2.6 tonnes. This is a quarter of the amount that the average Briton emits in a whole year.

She posted on Facebook that her holiday was 'filled with nature and the warm sea' and sightings of exotic wildlife including iguanas and monkeys that 'smash mangoes on the roofs'.


Dr Bradbrook founded Extinction Rebellion with ex-boyfriend Simon Bramwell. She previously said that she began the group after taking 'psychedelic medicines'.

She said she 'prayed in a deep way' while taking the substances on a retreat.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #32
Grendel said:
Do you think her rather expensive jolly jaunt to Costa Rica suggests :

A she is poor
B she is thinking of the planet
C She is a bit of a hypocrite

If she was changing at Florida she may have even sat next to Green Caroline

Werent you banging on about Johnson taking a flight to Cornwall once?
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I'm not saying she hasn't done stuff that looks to be stupid given what she's campaigning for. It's just not the 'gotcha' moment some people thing it is.

Johnson was because there are alternative to flights to Cornwall and he was going there to talk about climate change. It'd be like turning up for a PETA rally on horseback.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #33
It’sabatch87 said:
She was co founder of a group that go on about
Pollution, being greener, spouting her views on people and has the cheek to disrespect her followers to do exactly the opposite of what she’s telling others to do.
It’s comical really, and people on here defend her
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I'm not defending her. As I pointed out there there could be circumstances that would make the decision to buy the diesel in the first place and to still be running it now appear to be the more environmentally friendly choices given the information at the time.

It may well be that those circumsntaces have nothing to do with her decision and she's a massive hypocrite but this particular instance of driving a diesel isn't irrefutable proof of it.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #34
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'm not saying she hasn't done stuff that looks to be stupid given what she's campaigning for. It's just not the 'gotcha' moment some people thing it is.

Johnson was because there are alternative to flights to Cornwall and he was going there to talk about climate change. It'd be like turning up for a PETA rally on horseback.
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But said the other week we should all rinse our dishes. How does that reconcile with a 5 Star holiday in Costa Rica?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 25, 2021
  • #35
Grendel said:
But said the other week we should all rinse our dishes. How does that reconcile with a 5 Star holiday in Costa Rica?
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I thought the argument these days was to not pre-rinse because you waste loads more water?
 
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