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shmmeee

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It's been the same with driver shortages across Europe. Something something brexit.
Girlfriends parents are over this week from the NL, took them out for dinner and half the menu was unavailable. They couldn’t believe it and say they don’t have anything like this many shortages back home. The waitress straight up said it was down to Brexit as well.
 

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Girlfriends parents are over this week from the NL, took them out for dinner and half the menu was unavailable. They couldn’t believe it and say they don’t have anything like this many shortages back home. The waitress straight up said it was down to Brexit as well.
North Koreans will be using the line “would you rather live in the UK” soon when trying to excuse the failings in their own country.
 

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Girlfriends parents are over this week from the NL, took them out for dinner and half the menu was unavailable. They couldn’t believe it and say they don’t have anything like this many shortages back home. The waitress straight up said it was down to Brexit as well.
To be fair unless your waitress was Ursula I don't think she'd be in the know enough to take her word as proof,

Doesn't mean she's wrong though...
 

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To be fair unless your waitress was Ursula I don't think she'd be in the know enough to take her word as proof,

Doesn't mean she's wrong though...
Not saying it’s proof. I’ve seen Brexit blamed for stuff it wasn’t responsible for by people in the trade before. Just saying that for an issue supposedly affecting all of Europe, Europeans seem particularly surprised by the U.K. situation.

On a basic first principles level it makes sense: fewer lorries and fewer drivers from the EU means fewer deliveries. Even if it’s not all Brexit it’ll be part of it.
 

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Obviously short term there's issues, and annoyingly they were issues that were warned of and those warnings ignored, but hopefully in the long term it will lead to better pay and conditions.

Not holding my breath though. In my industry for years there's been skills shortages and every company I've worked for has struggled to recruit people who are up to the job yet pay is stagnant and conditions get worse.
 

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Not saying it’s proof. I’ve seen Brexit blamed for stuff it wasn’t responsible for by people in the trade before. Just saying that for an issue supposedly affecting all of Europe, Europeans seem particularly surprised by the U.K. situation.

On a basic first principles level it makes sense: fewer lorries and fewer drivers from the EU means fewer deliveries. Even if it’s not all Brexit it’ll be part of it.
Yeah there’s no shortages here either. The supermarkets I went into last week over there were pretty depleted and a fair few empty shelves
 

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Obviously short term there's issues, and annoyingly they were issues that were warned of and those warnings ignored, but hopefully in the long term it will lead to better pay and conditions.
….with the costs passed onto consumers.
 

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The ingredients of the 70’s are slowly coming together. Slow growth, rapid rise in costs, rapid rise in wages etc. If the70’s are the yardstick things are going to get worse before they start getting better.
 

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They need to get people trained up in this country for many trades not just driving .. decades of pretty much importing Labour on low wages now showing us up as being a pretty unskilled nation .

People on my Facebook crying out for carpenters , plasterers etc .

Got to drive this hard over the coming years .. too many people sat at home on their arses with no skills .. got to change

No point talking about brexit , we need to find solutions to our problems not moan about what's gone .
 
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They need to get people trained up in this country for many trades not just driving .. decades of pretty much importing Labour on low wages now showing us up as being a pretty unskilled nation .

People on my Facebook crying out for carpenters , plasterers etc .

Got to drive this hard over the coming years .. too many people sat at home on their arses with no skills .. got to change

No point talking about brexit , we need to find solutions to our problems not moan about what's gone .
That's what the HS2 money should have been used for.
 

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I'd suggest theres a decent amount of the unemployed that would rather sit on their arse than learn a trade or skill.
 

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I'd suggest theres a decent amount of the unemployed that would rather sit on their arse than learn a trade or skill.
No idea if this was just my school having lousy careers advise or was the norm but if you left at 16 with little in the way of qualifications to go and learn a trade you were defiantly given the impression that you'd failed and life was going to be pretty shitty. Similarly if you got a degree you'd be living the high life (this was just before the everyone must go to university idea kicked in).

Pretty much the opposite seems to be true. Those who got a degree are working ridiculous hours and stressed to the max. Those who left to learn a trade are either making money hand over fist and turning work away they're so busy or took a few years to really work out what they wanted to do and then went back into education / training and have a career they love.

Education seems more focused on pushing people into university to keep that whole FE education industry rather than putting out a workforce that fits the countries requirements. If you want to get more people into trades you need to make it clear that's an attractive option and not a career path for people who have 'failed'.
 

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No idea if this was just my school having lousy careers advise or was the norm but if you left at 16 with little in the way of qualifications to go and learn a trade you were defiantly given the impression that you'd failed and life was going to be pretty shitty. Similarly if you got a degree you'd be living the high life (this was just before the everyone must go to university idea kicked in).

Pretty much the opposite seems to be true. Those who got a degree are working ridiculous hours and stressed to the max. Those who left to learn a trade are either making money hand over fist and turning work away they're so busy or took a few years to really work out what they wanted to do and then went back into education / training and have a career they love.

Education seems more focused on pushing people into university to keep that whole FE education industry rather than putting out a workforce that fits the countries requirements. If you want to get more people into trades you need to make it clear that's an attractive option and not a career path for people who have 'failed'.
I think that’s a huge generalisation. I’m guessing you are a tradie?
 

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I think that’s a huge generalisation. I’m guessing you are a tradie?
Well its a small sample size as I'm just going off people I went to school with so it may not scale but I think the idea that if you left school and took up a trade you'd spend the rest of your life sturggling doesn't really hold true and that's certainly how it was presented at my school.

Also pretty much everyone I know who works in my industry is thoroughly miserable and wishes they'd picked a different career! And no I'm not a tradie :)
 

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I'd suggest theres a decent amount of the unemployed that would rather sit on their arse than learn a trade or skill.
Nah. Every long term unemployed person I know wants a job they’re just unemployable. No work skills/attitude issues mostly, but they all want to work. Living on benefits is shit. We had record employment not so long ago, the idea there’s a load of people sat off on the dole is bollocks.
 

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Nah. Every long term unemployed person I know wants a job they’re just unemployable. No work skills/attitude issues mostly, but they all want to work. Living on benefits is shit. We had record employment not so long ago, the idea there’s a load of people sat off on the dole is bollocks.
Utter crap mate. Everyone is employable. Now is the best time to get a job. So many companies are understaffed and looking for workers. Its a lame excuse to say they're unemployable. Living on benefits is the easy way out. I know quite a few people who have an "illness". Pays enough.

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Utter crap mate. Everyone is employable. Now is the best time to get a job. So many companies are understaffed and looking for workers. Its a lame excuse to say they're unemployable. Living on benefits is the easy way out. I know quite a few people who have an "illness". Pays enough.

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Oh dear.
 

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Utter crap mate. Everyone is employable. Now is the best time to get a job. So many companies are understaffed and looking for workers. Its a lame excuse to say they're unemployable. Living on benefits is the easy way out. I know quite a few people who have an "illness". Pays enough.

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I know three long term unemployed people:

1) Bi-polar, officially homeless, alcohol issues. Can’t turn up to a job on time and has issues with authority so gets fired quickly

2) Anger and authority issues, wants to become a driver so he doesn’t have to deal with a boss as he always says something and gets sacked but can’t get an interview

3) House husband with serious social anxiety has been raising his kids for the last 15 years

The first two keep applying for and sometimes getting jobs but can’t hold them. The third can barely leave the house and has resigned himself to raising his kids only but doesn’t claim benefits.

As I say pre pandemic we had record low unemployment levels, pretty much full employment for the modern economy. Long term unemployment is less than 1% of the workforce, basically a statistical anomaly.

So no, it’s not bullshit, it’s an outdated view that benefits are great and people just don’t want to work. If it was ever true at all.
 
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I know three long term unemployed people:

1) Bi-polar, officially homeless, alcohol issues. Can’t turn up to a job on time and has issues with authority so gets fired quickly

2) Anger and authority issues, wants to become a driver so he doesn’t have to deal with a boss as he always says something and gets sacked but can’t get an interview

3) House husband with serious social anxiety has been raising his kids for the last 15 years

The first two keep applying for and sometimes getting jobs but can’t hold them. The third can barely leave the house and has resigned himself to raising his kids only but doesn’t claim benefits.

As I say pre pandemic we had record low unemployment levels, pretty much full employment for the modern economy. Long term unemployment is less than 1% of the workforce, basically a statistical anomaly.

So no, it’s not bullshit, it’s an outdated view that benefits are great and people just don’t want to work. If it was ever true at all.
I know one.
I'm very happy to go to work and pay my taxes, knowing that the safety net that the tax I pay enables him to live a life. Good mate, Probably number 4 on your list. Doesn't drink much but struggles generally.
 
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I know three long term unemployed people:

1) Bi-polar, officially homeless, alcohol issues. Can’t turn up to a job on time and has issues with authority so gets fired quickly

2) Anger and authority issues, wants to become a driver so he doesn’t have to deal with a boss as he always says something and gets sacked but can’t get an interview

3) House husband with serious social anxiety has been raising his kids for the last 15 years

The first two keep applying for and sometimes getting jobs but can’t hold them. The third can barely leave the house and has resigned himself to raising his kids only but doesn’t claim benefits.

As I say pre pandemic we had record low unemployment levels, pretty much full employment for the modern economy. Long term unemployment is less than 1% of the workforce, basically a statistical anomaly.

So no, it’s not bullshit, it’s an outdated view that benefits are great and people just don’t want to work. If it was ever true at all.
I know a fella on the sick. Gets rent, council tax and all other bills paid, and he's quite happy to sit on his arse and have the government pay for his ciggies.
No doubt there's people that are struggling. There's also people that take the absolute piss..

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I know both types. People with long term mental or physical health issues preventing them from working & also serial dossers who are basically workshy lazy bums happy to play/fleece the system.

To put some real figures on it, befre covid, there were approx. 8.5 million "economically inactive" adults between 16-64 in this country.....that includes students, carers, the sick, the early retired, the lazy & the "discouraged workers".......approximately 6.5 million of the 8.5 million do not want a job for whatever reason......just under 2 million did want a job but didn't have one.....

.....make of that what you will...
 
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Metro reporting that there are 1.66M outstanding job vacancies in the UK and only 1.62M unemployed to fill the positions. As well as drivers the other key areas being carers and service sectors. Basically the jobs no one wants to do.
 

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I know both types. People with long term mental or physical health issues preventing them from working & also serial dossers who are basically workshy lazy bums happy to play/fleece the system.

To put some real figures on it, befre covid, there were approx. 8.5 million "economically inactive" adults between 16-64 in this country.....that includes students, carers, the sick, the early retired, the lazy & the "discouraged workers".......approximately 6.5 million of the 8.5 million do not want a job for whatever reason......just under 2 million did want a job but didn't have one.....

.....make of that what you will...
Economically inactive people don’t get benefits, you need to be looking for work.

Someone who is disabled or a carer or a student Isn’t “playing the system” FFS. 2.46m students straight off the bat, 1.3m carers, same disability allowance. And anyone who has tried to claim DLA in the last decade would laugh heartily at the idea it’s an easy wheeze. So that’s just over 5m of your 6.5m before you get to full time parents and the early retired or independently wealthy.
 

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And anyone who has tried to claim DLA in the last decade would laugh heartily at the idea it’s an easy wheeze.
I'm not sure being on any benefits, disability or otherwise, is an easy wheeze. When I thought my job was in danger at the start of covid I had a look at what I'd be entitled to and it didn't even begin to cover my bills and housing costs. I could have probably lasted a month or two until I'd have been completely screwed.
 

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Economically inactive people don’t get benefits, you need to be looking for work.

Someone who is disabled or a carer or a student Isn’t “playing the system” FFS. 2.46m students straight off the bat, 1.3m carers, same disability allowance. And anyone who has tried to claim DLA in the last decade would laugh heartily at the idea it’s an easy wheeze. So that’s just over 5m of your 6.5m before you get to full time parents and the early retired or independently wealthy.
I know what economically inactive means thanks.

I also didn't for one minute suggest the sick and carers etc. Are playing the system.

....Your pending apology is accepted. 😀
 
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I don't doubt that dossers exist but I would rather we have a functioning welfare system for those that need it and it be taken advantage of by a few dickheads than what we're going for now where genuine people falling on hard times are left with nothing to help get themselves back up.

The problem of benefit cheating dwarfs into comparison with tax evasion and avoidance anyway. We're just encouraged to hate those similar to us so the ruling class can do what they like.
 

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Had about six months out of work once, signed on. The dead eyes of those in the queue for the dole office, the shuffling walk of despair and lack of hope... none of them *wanted* to be like that, it was just if you could get out of that situation quick enough before it dragged you down to become a benefit zombie.
 
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Metro reporting that there are 1.66M outstanding job vacancies in the UK and only 1.62M unemployed to fill the positions. As well as drivers the other key areas being carers and service sectors. Basically the jobs no one wants to do.
Both my brothers kids work in hospitality....Both now earning about 20% more than they were pre pandemic/brexit.

So...assuming we're no longer going to import and exploit more poor foreign labour to fill the vacant roles, then we need to encourage the uk unemployed to fill them.....so time to improve the t&c's of such jobs innit.
 
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