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Nick

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #176
shmmeee said:
All together now:

It’s. Not. The. Fans. Fault.

None of it.
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They have been complicit with some of it. The nonsense PR, the bullshit, the misleading fans.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #177
shmmeee said:
Yes. Really. Do you think he’s in the negotiating room? Why would he be?
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Think he has a fair bit more influence and power than you would expect.

You have to remember he has also seen both sides by when he was working with Hoffman.
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #178
shmmeee said:
Very. He works closely with the club. His position will be biased. He won’t be in the room, all his info will be what he’s told by the club. Just like everyone else.
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He genuinely cares for the club though, more than the other parties. Also called out wasps for being involved in the takeover.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #179
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I don’t see how SISU are on the front foot? Someone is clearly lying here. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was SISU.

I emailed the Coventry NW MP last night. It’s time we scrapped the NDAs and got them both around a table with an independent mediator.

I don’t trust politicians at local level, so ive asked her to consider the economic impact of no CCFC to her ward.
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MPs won’t change the financial calculation for Sisu.

Bishops won’t change the financial calculations for Sisu.

Fans groups won’t change the financial calculations for Sisu.

Until either Sisu stop trying to reverse the sale or Wasps decide to stop trying to stop them, this is where we are.
 
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Lord_Nampil

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #180
Nick said:
Have Wasps come across as the good guys or is that just how the Local Media and Sky Blue Trust etc present them?
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looks like we are on the same page here with your later comment....
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #181
Nick said:
Think he has a fair bit more influence and power than you would expect.

You have to remember he has also seen both sides by when he was working with Hoffman.
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Dodging the question again. Is he in the room?
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #182
wanker
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #183
shmmeee said:
Dodging the question again. Is he in the room?
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I have no idea who is in the actual room for the discussions or involved in the calls. Neither do you.

He will know more than most of us what's going on and has worked with both "sides" quite closely so would also get an idea of that.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #184
SkyBlueZack said:
He genuinely cares for the club though, more than the other parties. Also called out wasps for being involved in the takeover.
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Oh cool! He’s the superest superfan! I had no idea.

I mean obvious if he *cares for the club* then crack on. I know we’re all mere plebs who just don’t care enough

His info on negotiations will come entirely from conversations with the club not first hand info.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #185
Evo1883 said:
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Got to be trolling... I tried looking for something back in 07 - SISU were the councils preferred buyers of the club
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #186
shmmeee said:
MPs won’t change the financial calculation for Sisu.

Bishops won’t change the financial calculations for Sisu.

Fans groups won’t change the financial calculations for Sisu.

Until either Sisu stop trying to reverse the sale or Wasps decide to stop trying to stop them, this is where we are.
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No they won’t. But at least without an NDA we’ll see who’s taking the piss and who’s lying - one says there’s an indemnity clause the other says not.

we need to know whos lying.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #187
Irish Sky Blue said:
The club is in the middle of all of this. We are just the pawn in the games played by Sisu, Wasps and CCC.
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For sure, but SISU’s original argument that the stadium rent agreement was not sustainable is fundamentally true.

Who wants to go back to paying £1.3m in rent with no access to match day revenue at games?

If we cannot get a share in the RICOH, which doesn’t look likely at all, then we need to find a way to build our own.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #188
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
No they won’t. But at least without an NDA we’ll see who’s taking the piss and who’s lying - one says there’s an indemnity clause the other says not.

we need to know whos lying.
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Why would Sisu want the NDA dropped? Seems to be suiting them just fine.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #189
Mucca Mad Boys said:
For sure, but SISU’s original argument that the stadium rent agreement was not sustainable is fundamentally true.

Who wants to go back to paying £1.3m in rent with no access to match day revenue at games?

If we cannot get a share in the RICOH, which doesn’t look likely at all, then we need to find a way to build our own.
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Literally no one is saying go back to £1.3m (1.3 now? Sure it was 1.2?) and no F&B, that’s a straw man.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #190
Evo1883 said:
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Aren’t Wasps owned by hedge fund?

If true, what a self-aware man.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #191
shmmeee said:
Oh cool! He’s the superest superfan! I had no idea.

I mean obvious if he *cares for the club* then crack on. I know we’re all mere plebs who just don’t care enough

His info on negotiations will come entirely from conversations with the club not first hand info.
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How do you know?

Are you still denying that Wasps were working with Hoffman?

He will have gathered as much information as he can to make his mind up and has worked closely with them all.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #192
shmmeee said:
Why would Sisu want the NDA dropped? Seems to be suiting them just fine.
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They seem to be the ones breaching - I’d imagine they’d be happy for it to be dropped.

or they could be lying and lying and it could be a bluff - who knows
 
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SkyBlueZack

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #193
shmmeee said:
Oh cool! He’s the superest superfan! I had no idea.

I mean obvious if he *cares for the club* then crack on. I know we’re all mere plebs who just don’t care enough

His info on negotiations will come entirely from conversations with the club not first hand info.
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Nick said:
How do you know?

Are you still denying that Wasps were working with Hoffman?

He will have gathered as much information as he can to make his mind up and has worked closely with them all.
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Shmmee knows everything . Overson who is a successful businessman who has had dealings with both parties is just repeating what he’s told. He’s another SISU puppet I suppose?
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #194
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
They seem to be the ones breaching - I’d imagine they’d be happy for it to be dropped.

or they could be lying and lying and it could be a bluff - who knows
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Nah, it’s working perfectly for them. Get to drop hints and let us lot go wild with our imagination and have a ready made excuse to not say anything they don’t want to.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #195
The most damaging thing for wasps would be if every single Coventry fan and the the people of Coventry turn their back on them.

This has to be the goal now... Eventually, things that aren't wanted go away.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #196
shmmeee said:
Very. He works closely with the club. His position will be biased. He won’t be in the room, all his info will be what he’s told by the club. Just like everyone else.
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but of all the people involved he's the one I feel has the best interests of the club at heart, I also think, as others have said, he's more involved than we think.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #197
shmmeee said:
Nah, it’s working perfectly for them. Get to drop hints and let us lot go wild with our imagination and have a ready made excuse to not say anything they don’t want to.
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Haven't they included more detail than just "hints" compared to the Wasps one?
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #198
SkyBlueZack said:
Shmmee knows everything . Overson who is a successful businessman who has had dealings with both parties is just repeating what he’s told. He’s another SISU puppet I suppose?
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Read his fucking tweets dipshit. He’s not claiming to be in the room “as far as I understand”, “last I heard”, “I think”.

Jesus H Christ.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #199
clint van damme said:
but of all the people involved he's the one I feel has the best interests of the club at heart, I also think, as others have said, he's more involved than we think.
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That may be true. But garbage in garbage out. He’ll only know what the club tell him. Just like Pete and Mark. Just like Robins. Just like anyone else who only has privileged access to one party.

That’s not a comment on him. That’s a basic fact.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #200
Sbarcher said:
Just wonder if there is any way Joy could get her friends in the City to further distress the Wasps Bond issue. This going forward is the critical issue.
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She doesn’t need to. That bond paying a 6% interest rate will cripple Wasps
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #201
shmmeee said:
That may be true. But garbage in garbage out. He’ll only know what the club tell him. Just like Pete and Mark. Just like Robins. Just like anyone else who only has privileged access to one party.

That’s not a comment on him. That’s a basic fact.
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How do you know he only knows what the club tell him? You are forgetting that he was also working with Hoffman who was working with Wasps.

This is the point you keep missing. He has more access to all parties than most.

He has worked closely with both sides of this argument.
 
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WillenhallSkyBlues

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #202
Shmmeee gotta be a troll surely? Either that or just a really big knobhead
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #203
Colin Steins Smile said:
She doesn’t need to. That bond paying a 6% interest rate will cripple Wasps
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This time next year Rodney, Wasps will be bust.

Wouldn’t they just go into admin and carry on anyway? Isn’t rugby finance law like football was before Leicester took the piss?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #204
WillenhallSkyBlues said:
Shmmeee gotta be a troll surely? Either that or just a really big knob
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FTFY
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #205
Evo1883 said:
The most damaging thing for wasps would be if every single Coventry fan and the the people of Coventry turn their back on them.

This has to be the goal now... Eventually, things that aren't wanted go away.
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This should have been the case from the start. Better late than never.

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #206
shmmeee said:
Literally no one is saying go back to £1.3m (1.3 now? Sure it was 1.2?) and no F&B, that’s a straw man.
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At what cost do we return to the RICOH?

Last season the indemnity was the issue, I can’t see what’s changed to see why it wouldn’t still be an issue.

Assuming this still is the case, is the risk of signing up to an indemnity and restricting your own manoeuvrability to pursue legal action too.

If it was your business, and your money at stake, would you pay the cost?

Whilst I love the club, I wouldn’t have signed up to it in 2019, nor in 2020 if it were still the case.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #207
Nick said:
How do you know he only knows what the club tell him? You are forgetting that he was also working with Hoffman who was working with Wasps.

This is the point you keep missing. He has more access to all parties than most.

He has worked closely with both sides of this argument.
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So why isn’t he saying it then?

In sure he’s. A lovely guy and loves the club. But he’s not suggested he knows anything. This is just your hero worship cos he bought the club some stuff let’s be honest.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #208
TomRad85 said:
This should have been the case from the start. Better late than never.

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I think it's only really emerged over the last couple of years for many that maybe just maybe... Sisu aren't the only twunts in all this
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #209
WillenhallSkyBlues said:
Shmmeee gotta be a troll surely? Either that or just a really big knobhead
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He's sound but on the twin subjects of the Ricoh situation and teh Trust he chats a load of whiff sometimes
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2020
  • #210
shmmeee said:
That may be true. But garbage in garbage out. He’ll only know what the club tell him. Just like Pete and Mark. Just like Robins. Just like anyone else who only has privileged access to one party.

That’s not a comment on him. That’s a basic fact.
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No way that's the case regarding the Hoffman syndicate, he saw something involving wasps that he didn't like and walked away. Significant moment in this saga for me.
I honestly don't think its the case with the club either, he may be a devoted supporter but I don't think hard nosed business people spend money as he did at Ryton without something in return. Maybe he is just besotted with getting the access he does to Robins and the team but I think there's more to it than that.
 
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