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shmmeee

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #176
Deleted member 5849 said:
He's got double figures four times in his career, and one of thse was when Rangers bullied their way up from the lower leagues.

Goalscorer, he ain't.

He might bring other qualities, but you wouldn't sign him for his goalscoring... unless you're comparing to O'Hare, anyway!
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TBF his record has been 200-400 MPG at this level relatively consistently until this season where it’s over 800 MPG. Whatever the reason he’s had an abnormally poor season with us for goal scoring.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #177
shmmeee said:
TBF his record has been 200-400 MPG at this level relatively consistently until this season where it’s over 800 MPG. Whatever the reason he’s had an abnormally poor season with us for goal scoring.View attachment 24010
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I still don't think he's a poor signing (but my, he was bad at the weekend!) but my general point is he ain't your bang in a load of goals striker - I'd say poor man's Adrian Heath, but at his peak with Everton, Heath was a guaranteed double figures a season striker.

Walker and Godden are the 'goalscorers' really, with Waghorn and Gyorkeres being the goal providers with punch. I'd be surprised if Gyokeres could maintain his scoring form of early season consistently through his career unless he improves his finishing.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #178
Deleted member 5849 said:
I still don't think he's a poor signing (but my, he was bad at the weekend!) but my general point is he ain't your bang in a load of goals striker - I'd say poor man's Adrian Heath, but at his peak with Everton, Heath was a guaranteed double figures a season striker.

Walker and Godden are the 'goalscorers' really, with Waghorn and Gyorkeres being the goal providers with punch. I'd be surprised if Gyokeres could maintain his scoring form of early season consistently through his career unless he improves his finishing.
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No I’d agree, just saying that by his own standards he’s having a poor season. Probably fitness and covid.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #179
shmmeee said:
No I’d agree, just saying that by his own standards he’s having a poor season. Probably fitness and covid.
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He is. The concern in a general sense would be last season was fairly poor for him too, so got to hope it's a blip because of circumstance, and not his general decline.
 

slowpoke

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #180
Let’s remember Waghorn was brought in ahead of Gyokeres and knowing Godden had his foot injury, he started as partner to Gyo and without setting the world alight was okay, thankfully Gyo hit the ground running scoring almost every game. Waghorn got his shoulder injury and hasn’t been the same player since imo. I’m sure it’s a position Robins is looking at even with Tavares now in the frame.
 

sylus

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #181
oh yes, fitness and covid, he could blag that one til the end of the season couldn't he, personnally i think he doesn't give a monkey's whether he plays or not, he is here for the wages, his 32, ive seen 70 yr olds move faster
 
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slowpoke

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #182
He signed a two year contract I doubt he will see that out, think he will move on before that
 
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higgs

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #183
slowpoke said:
He signed a two year contract I doubt he will see that out, think he will move on before that
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Would another club pay the wages he's on here doubtful with how this season has gone? Would imagine he would sit out the final year of his contract?

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slowpoke

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  • Mar 1, 2022
  • #184
higgs said:
Would another club pay the wages he's on here doubtful with how this season has gone? Would imagine he would sit out the final year of his contract?

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Probably not, but if Cov cut their losses gave him a free transfer he could then negotiate his own deal & signing on fee or as you say sit out his last year.
 

Covkid1968#

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #185
I’ve always really liked him as a player…. He has disappointed for us, but I’m still confident he’s got a role to play for us this season.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #186
We’ve seen the Brentford model being discussed. Quick look on Soccebase about their transfer history over last few years - can’t see many 31 year old journeymen - even on frees.
 
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covboy1987

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #187
DannyThomas_1981 said:
We’ve taken 10 points out of the last 15. Yesterday we saw one of the most memorable late equalizers in CBS history. That goal was scored by a young player with fantastic potential. We have a real chance of the play offs which is amazing. And a week’s rest to regroup.
Yet some on here prefer to spend their time targeting and slagging off one of our own players?
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Thought Waghorn started off really well early season and was starting to develop a good partnership with Viktor - Don't get it with these fans- you don't become a bad player overnight - The guy hasn't played for 3 or 4 months needs games in his legs - training does not give you the same- I am sure the management team are closely monitoring his fitness and have the patience to give it time which he needs
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #188
DannyThomas_1981 said:
We’ve taken 10 points out of the last 15. Yesterday we saw one of the most memorable late equalizers in CBS history. That goal was scored by a young player with fantastic potential. We have a real chance of the play offs which is amazing. And a week’s rest to regroup.
Yet some on here prefer to spend their time targeting and slagging off one of our own players?
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All credit to Tavares for his goal but does he really have 'fantastic' potential? He's 21 and still predominantly plays in the U23s.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #189
covboy1987 said:
Thought Waghorn started off really well early season and was starting to develop a good partnership with Viktor - Don't get it with these fans- you don't become a bad player overnight - The guy hasn't played for 3 or 4 months needs games in his legs - training does not give you the same- I am sure the management team are closely monitoring his fitness and have the patience to give it time which he needs
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Some players do go from good to bad players quickly, not overnight but over a period of months. Waghorn was a 1 in 6 striker last season and has regressed further this year while also having covid issues.

Maybe he just doesn't have it any more.
 

Hutch11

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #190
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
All credit to Tavares for his goal but does he really have 'fantastic' potential? He's 21 and still predominantly plays in the U23s.
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How old was Ian wright when he began to shine, Jamie Vardy another, this lad does have potential and if he can reproduce finishes like he did on Saturday he'll soon be in the starting 11
 
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procdoc

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #191
Some of the comments are very over the top.

On paper, Waghorn was just the type of signing most fans wanted us to make. He’s a vastly experienced player at this level, a majority of games for teams that competed at the top end of the championship.

I actually think he was playing reasonably well until he got Covid.

He is clearly not up to match speed and has struggled to re-adapt to our style of play. I wouldn’t write him off just yet, but if we can upgrade on him in the summer with a younger player then I would do so.

I’m not sure why Bidwell has got so much stick on here, he’s done alright.Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see there is far more to come from Bidwell.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #192
Hutch11 said:
How old was Ian wright when he began to shine, Jamie Vardy another, this lad does have potential and if he can reproduce finishes like he did on Saturday he'll soon be in the starting 11
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I think those examples are exceptions rather than the rule really.

It's clear Tavares has raw ability but to say he has 'fantastic' potential when he's 21 and has only featured twice for us is very OTT.

Equally, arguing against that on the basis that he might become another Ian Wright is a bit ridiculous.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #193
slowpoke said:
Probably not, but if Cov cut their losses gave him a free transfer he could then negotiate his own deal & signing on fee or as you say sit out his last year.
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What losses? we signed him after his contract expired didn't we?
I thought MR signed him predominately for his pressing game, rather than his goal scoring record. He started the season well on that criteria, but has obviously been affected by lack of match fitness.
I have a feeling Sunderland might be interested in him next season if they don't get promoted, provided he can sort his fitness out.
 
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slowpoke

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #194
I don’t know but I suspect part of his deal would comprise a signing on fee that’s what tends to happen with “free” transfers.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #195
Hutch11 said:
How old was Ian wright when he began to shine, Jamie Vardy another, this lad does have potential and if he can reproduce finishes like he did on Saturday he'll soon be in the starting 11
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Ashley Cain scored a cracking goal once
 
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Hutch11

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #196
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I think those examples are exceptions rather than the rule really.

It's clear Tavares has raw ability but to say he has 'fantastic' potential when he's 21 and has only featured twice for us is very OTT.

Equally, arguing against that on the basis that he might become another Ian Wright is a bit ridiculous.
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You're right they are exceptions and I have no idea whether the lad will make it or not but scoring the amount of goals he has and that finish on Saturday leads me to believe he has potential
 
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Hutch11

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #197
Grendel said:
Ashley Cain scored a cracking goal once
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You made a cracking point once , so what
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #198
Hutch11 said:
You made a cracking point once , so what
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I’ve made over 23,000 cracking points on here according to my reactions column
 
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Hutch11

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #199
I was playing the same facetious game as you were as well you know.
I actually think you're one of the more sensible posters on here, sometimes.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #200
Grendel said:
Ashley Cain scored a cracking goal once
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Ashley cain never scored for us
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #201
Grendel said:
I’ve made over 23,000 cracking points on here according to my reactions column
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28,000 you fucking loser
 
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procdoc

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #202
Grendel said:
I’ve made over 23,000 cracking points on here according to my reactions column
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To be fair there’s no comeback to this!
 

Greggs

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #203
Grendel said:
I’ve made over 23,000 cracking points on here according to my reactions column
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And 42,000 shit ones
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #204
Hutch11 said:
You're right they are exceptions and I have no idea whether the lad will make it or not but scoring the amount of goals he has and that finish on Saturday leads me to believe he has potential
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If he was 18/19 I'd probably be inclined to agree with you but I personally don't think there's anything overly special about a ST of Tavares' age netting regularly in the U23s as he's playing at an advantage. He's far more experienced than many of his opponents (many of which who will either play no higher than NL or drop out of the game completely in the coming years) and he will be more athletically further along in his development as well.

Ponticelli probably a prime example of why a decent U23 scoring record can be quite misleading.
 

ceetee

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #205
Nobody knows whether Tavares will be another Ponticelli but you can't fail to be impressed with the way he took that chance.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #206
Hutch11 said:
How old was Ian wright when he began to shine, Jamie Vardy another, this lad does have potential and if he can reproduce finishes like he did on Saturday he'll soon be in the starting 11
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Both of those strikers (Ian Wright, Vardy) had a long time in their early 20’s non-league. Often such players play on until their mid 30’s. I guess Godden may too. As too Fadz - both non-league early on.

Charlie Austin, Les Ferdinand, Deeney, Ricky Lambert, Grant Holt, Kevin Phillips, even Paul Furlong went on and played (for long) and were top strikers at 32,33,34 and older.

Don’t know why but that seems to be how things go. Maybe they appreciate things more or haven’t been run into the ground at 21-24.

I predict Godden will go another 3 years, Waghorn not so, partly for the reason above.
 
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Finham

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  • Mar 2, 2022
  • #207
Grendel said:
Ashley Cain scored a cracking goal once
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Was that in pre-season, or his Mansfield 1? I can't see any other sign of it:

Ashley Cain | Football Stats | Barwell | Season 2008/2009 | Soccer Base

Ashley Cain. (Born 27 Sep, 1990) Midfielder for Barwell. Season 2008/2009 & career stats available, including appearances, goals & transfer fees.
www.soccerbase.com

I remember him running around fast a bit and getting fans going but ultimately being way out of his depth with a poor touch and awareness. No sign of that in Tavarez cameos so far, quite the opposite.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #208
Finham said:
I remember him running around fast a bit and getting fans going but ultimately being way out of his depth with a poor touch and awareness. No sign of that in Tavarez cameos so far, quite the opposite.
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He’s touched the ball, what, five times?
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #209
SBT said:
He’s touched the ball, what, five times?
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He must nearly be as good as Lukaku then!
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Mar 4, 2022
  • #210
MusicDating said:
He must nearly be as good as Lukaku then!
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To be fair Lukaku's 8 touches were over 90 minutes not 4.
 
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