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But surely in a relegation battle you need hard graft?
I'm afraid that's just bollocks that comes from the stand. You have no idea what a player has been instructed to do and there are plenty of EPL, Champions League and WC winners that would be described as disinterested by fans.
We're not in L2 anymore, hard graft but being shit isn't going to work, we need a bit of class.
Biamou got us promoted? How many games did he start in League 1 last season?Clearly not what was meant.
We had many good strikers in League One but it was Godden and Biamou that got us promoted. That doesn't make either of those strikers better than McGoldrick or Armstrong.
I get everyone's frustrated by defeats, especially the manner of them, but to suggest it's down to a lack of effort is ridiculous. It's a lack of quality, simple as.
Is our side now better on paper than Birmingham or Sheffield Wednesday? Of course not & you could make an argument that after yo yo'ing that Rotherham's is better balanced too so we're still overachieving.
Biamou got us promoted? How many games did he start in League 1 last season?
Biamou got us promoted? How many games did he start in League 1 last season?
Honestly mate, think for everyone's sanity it's best to just steer clear of this whole topic. Trying to make a vow to not rise to some of the absolutely insane stuff I see written about it. I don't think people will sway their views either way and the debate just gets weirder and weirder with whole new things thrown in for good measure.Biamou got us promoted? How many games did he start in League 1 last season?
More clichéd nonsense. You need to win games, you do that by putting your best players on the pitch.But surely in a relegation battle you need hard graft?
Nonsense again. Plus Shipley has plenty of talent, that shone through last season when he got himself on the ball. I feel he lacks bravery and belief.We've had many, many good strikers who are lightyears ahead of Biamou. Yet it was he who managed to be involved in two promotions. That's because sometimes, a bit of hardwork can get you far. Take Shipley, barely an ounce of talent, but did well last season because of his effort.
Walker could be the best player on the planet, but if he doesn't seem interested, he won't help the team survive. That's the difference between he and Max.
I don't think our side was the best on paper in League One last season but it was well drilled and hard working. We've seen to lose those attributes in recent months.
More clichéd nonsense. You need to win games, you do that by putting your best players on the pitch.
This isn't Mike Bassett.
Nonsense again. Plus Shipley has plenty of talent, that shone through last season when he got himself on the ball. I feel he lacks bravery and belief.
It's not about who its and isn't playing it's about people writing off Walker, who may score the goals that keep us up, and lauding Biamou, who has never been a regular goalscorer.There's way more to it that just being a good player. Betting would be easy if the team with the best players won every week.
Also, who are these 'best players' who aren't currently playing?
It's not about who its and isn't playing it's about people writing off Walker, who may score the goals that keep us up, and lauding Biamou, who has never been a regular goalscorer.
Nonsense again. Plus Shipley has plenty of talent, that shone through last season when he got himself on the ball. I feel he lacks bravery and belief.
Clearly not what was meant.
We had many good strikers in League One but it was Godden and Biamou that got us promoted. That doesn't make either of those strikers better than McGoldrick or Armstrong.
Why do we have to keep criticising players who we know are not at Championship standard?
Once that fact is established, further criticism directed at the player, is pointless, unless they show no effort.
There comes a time when you just have to accept that.
By most peoples reckoning, Biamou started the season as fourth choice striker. In a normal season he might have made the odd sub appearance late on, or perhaps a start in the Carabao Cup. Circumstances have caused him to be a regular starter. , Gyokores and Bakayoko haven't shown enough, in Mark Robin's opinion, to displace him.
OK, he's above his level but why be so nasty about it.
Walker has shown that he is a good finisher, which is promising, but he's been injured and had Covid, which some people take months to recover from. We don't know yet whether he'll make the standard and it will take time.
As a club we might not have that time but that's another issue.
And his contribution in L2 is over stated, he was a sub for a lot of the time in which he'd apparently supported Mcnulty to his 28 goals. When he started he rarely completed 90 minutes.Biamou barely featured in League One? Played 90mins twice all season & half the time didn't even make the squad. Baka was more heavily involved.
And he couldnt score in the play off semi final.And his contribution in L2 is over stated, he was a sub for a lot of the time in which he'd apparently supported Mcnulty to his 28 goals. When he started he rarely completed 90 minutes.
Ha, what I really meant was that he never anticipates where the ball might land, that instinct to gamble isn't there. Fortunately their defender bundled it in anyway.
Why do we have to keep criticising players who we know are not at Championship standard?
Once that fact is established, further criticism directed at the player, is pointless, unless they show no effort.
There comes a time when you just have to accept that.
By most peoples reckoning, Biamou started the season as fourth choice striker. In a normal season he might have made the odd sub appearance late on, or perhaps a start in the Carabao Cup. Circumstances have caused him to be a regular starter. , Gyokores and Bakayoko haven't shown enough, in Mark Robin's opinion, to displace him.
OK, he's above his level but why be so nasty about it.
Walker has shown that he is a good finisher, which is promising, but he's been injured and had Covid, which some people take months to recover from. We don't know yet whether he'll make the standard and it will take time.
As a club we might not have that time but that's another issue.
Why let facts get in the way?Biamou barely featured in League One? Played 90mins twice all season & half the time didn't even make the squad. Baka was more heavily involved.
Unfortunately there remains a stubborn minority who simply refuse to accept that we have 1 or 2 players who might not be good enough for this division.Why do we have to keep criticising players who we know are not at Championship standard?
Once that fact is established, further criticism directed at the player, is pointless, unless they show no effort.
There comes a time when you just have to accept that.
By most peoples reckoning, Biamou started the season as fourth choice striker. In a normal season he might have made the odd sub appearance late on, or perhaps a start in the Carabao Cup. Circumstances have caused him to be a regular starter. , Gyokores and Bakayoko haven't shown enough, in Mark Robin's opinion, to displace him.
OK, he's above his level but why be so nasty about it.
Walker has shown that he is a good finisher, which is promising, but he's been injured and had Covid, which some people take months to recover from. We don't know yet whether he'll make the standard and it will take time.
As a club we might not have that time but that's another issue.
Look we all know that Walker is number one and Max is number two atm so that means Walker is piss and Max is shit...facts don't lie
Unfortunately there remains a stubborn minority who simply refuse to accept that we have 1 or 2 players who might not be good enough for this division.
Maybe we should create a separate part of the forum for them, so that the rest of us can move on!
Biamou was injured half the seasonBiamou barely featured in League One? Played 90mins twice all season & half the time didn't even make the squad. Baka was more heavily involved.
Ill hold you to that one if he doesn’tWalker will score against Derby 100%❤
Biamou was injured half the season
nah m8 impossible he's just lazyJust a wild guess. But I’d have thought given Walkers history of COVID and the fact he’s barely played and we have no other strikers, he might just not have been told to run himself into the ground.
It's true, apparently he injured one of his left feet!When?
Just a wild guess. But I’d have thought given Walkers history of COVID and the fact he’s barely played and we have no other strikers, he might just not have been told to run himself into the ground.
People need to look at what type of striker they are, then see if we are playing to their strengths or not.
It's the same when we tried long ball to Connor Chaplin on his own up front or put him central midfield.
For a striker who does well in the box, we need to actually get the ball into the box.
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