Isn't it the plan of that Steven guy?
Isn't it the plan of that Steven guy?I was wondering the same. Trump clearly only ever has a vague grasp of what’s going on which is why his off the cuff remarks and speeches are always so chaotic.
seagalIsn't it the plan of that Steven guy?
No, follow the thread. Trump won two elections, he’s serving a second term… anyone seriously calling him an actual dictator is being ludicrous.is your argument that it's fine to remove another nation's dictator by force if you too are a dictator?
He has been declared above the law by the SCOTUSNo, follow the thread. Trump won two elections, he’s serving a second term… anyone seriously calling him an actual dictator is being ludicrous.
It’s baffling that @Brighton Sky Blue has no qualms calling Trump a dictator and a ‘fascist’ previously but can’t call Maduro a dictator.
You can’t call Maduro a dictator you either know nothing about him or you’re politically partisan and don’t want to denounce a “socialist” (in all but name).
It’s pretty simple, if you believe Trump is a dictator it really shouldn’t be a stretch to call Maduro one.
He has been declared above the law by the SCOTUS
Control of the HoR and Senate
SCOTUS supermajority in his favour
Cabinet stacked full of loyalists
He has nobody to effectively check his power. He is a dictator in all but name.
He has been declared above the law by the SCOTUS
Control of the HoR and Senate
SCOTUS supermajority in his favour
Cabinet stacked full of loyalists
He has nobody to effectively check his power. He is a dictator in all but name.
Everything he listed applies to every US president. It’s pretty normal presidents who win the election to have the house and senate. The midterms address this and presidents tend to have to overcome the loss of one or both houses.So all elections going forward are cancelled? Wow
That is shocking!Bad news for those who have been defending this intervention in the name of democracy.
The orange one admits he's picking the next Venezuelan leader.
It doesn’t really matter if Maduro is a dictator or not, and if he is, then there’s numerous worse dictators who should be topped before him, as several others have already said.This is getting odd now. Set Trump aside for a moment, why can’t you just call Maduro a dictator? He literally lost an election he tried to rig by banning opposition parties and hasn’t left office for 7 years. He is your worst fears about Trump personified.
To address the points:
Firstly, congress and the senate are elected legitimately and there will be midterms in 2026 where the Dems are likely to seize control as they did in 2018.
Secondly, The SCOTUS justices are appointed by the sitting president and it’s pot luck whether or not any president gets to select one, let alone 2-3. Obama got to pick a supreme justice, that does not make him a ‘dictator in name’.
Finally, the cabinet for every President are appointees so they all tend to be loyal to their patron i.e. the President. This is a straight up desperate point.
On a fundamental level, everything you listed is normal for any president. Trump will leave office in 2028 and there’s no chance he’ll even try to run for a 3rd term, let alone usurp US democracy. If he does run for a 3rd term, it opens up an Obama 3rd term and he’d probably beat Trump.
If Trump tries to gerrymander this in 2028, I’ll agree with that he is a dictator, until then… it’s a pointless conversation.
What is brand new is the Supreme Court ruling that anything the president does is legal if it counts as an ‘official act’. That only came into effect in the final days of Joe Biden’s time in office.Everything he listed applies to every US president. It’s pretty normal presidents who win the election to have the house and senate. The midterms address this and presidents tend to have to overcome the loss of one or both houses.
Applying @Brighton Sky Blue’s logic, Starmer and Macron are also dictators. At that point, the definition of ‘dictator’ has been subverted and doesn’t actually have any meaning.
No, follow the thread. Trump won two elections, he’s serving a second term… anyone seriously calling him an actual dictator is being ludicrous.
Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the procedures of the rule of law; and the existence of a cult of personality centered on the leader.
You're stretching democracy there. Maduro "won" a disputed election as Chavez's successor. You'd be hard pressed to call Chavez's corrupt 15 odd years in charge as a "liberal democracy".None of those countries were democracies. Venezuela was 10 years ago and has a sophisticated opposition ready to take over.
That’s a pretty fundamental difference. After all, there’s US didn’t need to put boots on the ground to achieve their goals.
Actually, Venezuela is a pawn in a wider game. They supply a lot of oil to China. Oil that China needs to sustain a war for Taiwan. This makes Venezuela of more geopolitical importance than most minor dictatorships. Something I mentioned in previous posts was that US war games predict they’d lose that conflict.It doesn’t really matter if Maduro is a dictator or not, and if he is, then there’s numerous worse dictators who should be topped before him, as several others have already said.
Trump hand picking Maduro’s successor in true ‘liberal democracy’ fashion. A puppet who will hand over all the country’s oil to a tyrant.You're stretching democracy there. Maduro "won" a disputed election as Chavez's successor. You'd be hard pressed to call Chavez's corrupt 15 odd years in charge as a "liberal democracy".
I don’t think anyone disputes there’s a wider geopolitical motive here.Actually, Venezuela is a pawn in a wider game. They supply a lot of oil to China. Oil that China needs to sustain a war for Taiwan. This makes Venezuela of more geopolitical importance than most minor dictatorships. Something I mentioned in previous posts was that US war games predict they’d lose that conflict.
Intervening in major military and nuclear powers is an obvious no go. China, Russia and DPRK all have sophisticated security apparatus and an operation of nature to capture Maduro requires a lot of intelligence to execute.
Literally none of it applies to the USA. What are you talking about?You tell me which parts of this summary don't apply to Trump and co. and I'm all ears. Keep in mind references have been several times to flouting the limit of two terms by Trump and his crew.
it's weird to see anyone mounting a defence of things this mentalist and his crew get up to. It's a playbook the Reform gang like and that should be scary. Just comes across as Might is Right empire vibes.
Literally none of it applies to the USA.
This is the problem when people defend Trumps actions to the hilt. He will turn round and make you look a fool.And now he admits they're getting involved in Venezuela's oil.
But i thought it was all a peace move from Donald to restore democracy to an oppressed nation!!
He should be in prison MMB. Any president who interferes with and tries to prevent the transfer of power should be, but you have already laid your cards on the table in saying that prosecuting him for this is ‘political persecution’.Literally none of it applies to the USA. What are you talking about?
You could argue that Trump’s domination of the Republican constitutes a ‘cult of personality’… but would you apply the logic to the Democrat party? Hillary Clinton and Biden were Obama continuation candidates and the Democrat machine actively conspired against Bernie Sanders. Obama also ‘strongly suggested’ Biden make way for Kamala Harris. Then there’s a the weird obsession Democrats have with wanting Michelle Obama to run for president which is similar to how some republicans want a Trump dynasty. A desire for dynasties in US politics is actually deeply weird, for what it’s worth.
Trump dominates the Republican Party, I’ll absolutely agree with that. If we’re being balanced, you cannot argue that Obama doesn’t dominate the Democrat party today.
You need to move on. The American people had their say and they elected him despite Jan 6th and everything else you said. Ironically, he may have lost the Republican nomination had the lawfare against not been initiated.He should be in prison MMB. Any president who interferes with and tries to prevent the transfer of power should be, but you have already laid your cards on the table in saying that prosecuting him for this is ‘political persecution’.
Call it what it is, it’s an utter disgrace that he’s sat in the White House and has the temerity to lecture anybody on election rigging.
Sure, Maduro was a dictator.You need to move on. The American people had their say and they elected him despite Jan 6th and everything else you said. Ironically, he may have lost the Republican nomination had the lawfare against not been initiated.
Jan 2029 he’ll leave office and they’ll be the end of it.
I’ll ask for a final time, do you think Maduro is a dictator?
Dictator Trump overthrows democratically elected and beloved leader Maduro.
Sure, Maduro was a dictator.
Also, ‘law fare’ FFS. Trump broke the law, he was in the midst of being prosecuted and only escaped conviction in Georgia because of a technicality, nothing to do with the case. I will not move on from calling him what he is, the worst president to ever hold the office.
American people elected him. Not the Venezuelans though before you start cheerleading his actions.You need to move on. The American people had their say and they elected him despite Jan 6th and everything else you said. Ironically, he may have lost the Republican nomination had the lawfare against not been initiated.
Jan 2029 he’ll leave office and they’ll be the end of it.
I’ll ask for a final time, do you think Maduro is a dictator?
What stolen oil ?'Stolen oil' lol
These fucking clowns.
Ironically, it seems it's the Venezuelans who are doing the cheerleading.American people elected him. Not the Venezuelans though before you start cheerleading his actions.
He hasn’t faced them now because he got re-elected, the charges were all dropped following that. He is on tape telling state officials to ‘find the votes’ and that ‘things will turn out badly for them’ if they didn’t go along with it.Thank you, that wasn’t hard.
Back to Trump, he wasn’t polling well before the legal proceedings against him commenced. The Republican presidential debates went from attacking Trump’s first term to all candidates pulling ranks and backing him. The image of mugshot galvanised his base and like or not, propelled him to be the Republican nominee and President.
Trump hasn’t faced criminal charges and the opportunity to charge him was lost when he won the Republican nominee for President.
That’s the cause and effect, whether you like it or not.
Yes I’m sure the pictures coming out via the broadcasters reflect the true picture…..Ironically, it seems it's the Venezuelans who are doing the cheerleading.
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