Well, it is pretty stupid yes and the desire to make everything political in this fashion is wrong. Unless I'm missing something however, the two cases are entirely different given that Charlie Kirk was an active political speaker.
Given that most of the left on here couldn't wait 24 hours to start sticking the knife in on Kirk, I find the moral highground stand point here pretty silly really.
Kirk said some pretty awful things to cause division. Reiner did some pretty impressive things to better people's lives. Not hard to see why there's a difference.
Also can you not see why the President making statements like that is different to people on a football forum saying stuff about Kirk?
There is only one side that's made themselves look very silly with the moral high ground.
Kirk being more political makes it more likely people will bring it up but it was poor taste at best when people have just seen him be murdered on film. Reiner not being hugely political makes a world leader claiming he died thanks to Trump Derangement Syndrome absolutely fucking mental, and the people using their voices to be outraged at the former can't possibly defend the latter.Well, it is pretty stupid yes and the desire to make everything political in this fashion is wrong. Unless I'm missing something however, the two cases are entirely different given that Charlie Kirk was an active political speaker.
Given that most of the left on here couldn't wait 24 hours to start sticking the knife in on Kirk, I find the moral highground stand point here pretty silly really.
Kirk being more political makes it more likely people will bring it up but it was poor taste at best when people have just seen him be murdered on film. Reiner not being hugely political makes a world leader claiming he died thanks to Trump Derangement Syndrome absolutely fucking mental, and the people using their voices to be outraged at the former can't possibly defend the latter.
Well, Reiner actually did something useful for a living instead of chatting shite on a university campus with low hanging fruit. But that’s by the by, Trump is busy finding ways to disgrace the office.
Translation: I agree with Reiner's politics, therefore in my eyes he's a better person. I don't agree with Kirk, so it doesn't matter what people said about him.
The only reason some of you are banging on about this right now is because you got rightly called out for trash talking the dead earlier in the year, and you are trying to level the playing field.
It isn't going to work.
No.
Like I said, Kirk said some awful things, Reiner did some good things.
I haven't celebrated Kirk's death. The actual sitting President is celebrating Reiner's death.
Sorry should have been a bit more specific, I'm talking about the loud MAGA aides and Fox News cranks with big audiences rather than anyone here. I left that Kirk chat pretty early on because of what you mentionI don't see anyone here defending the latter at least. I don't like the comments from Trump, for example. I don't agree with them either.
It isn’t. Democratic politicians were shot dead by a Trump supporter, Tim Walz was on his hitlist, you said nowt. Fatso goes on anti Semitic rants, you said nowt. Israel kills 70,000 people, you say nowt.Again, what is this trying to achieve? It's pretty low from you.
Pretty big difference imo between some of us idiots on here talking about Kirk and the President of the USA celebrating an American being murdered because he dared to criticise him.It depends what you would define as celebrating. Some of the comments on here were pretty close cases as well. If you recall as well, certain things were posted, including from you, on things Kirk supposedly said, which turned out to be false.
You aren't on the right side of this as much as you think you are really, and you were much closer to the way Trump is behaving than you think. I disagree with all of it to be honest. Someone has passed away, there should be a better level of respect.
Free Speech for me,sod the rest?Kirk said some pretty awful things to cause division. Reiner did some pretty impressive things to better people's lives. Not hard to see why there's a difference.
Also can you not see why the President making statements like that is different to people on a football forum saying stuff about Kirk?
There is only one side that's made themselves look very silly with the moral high ground.
It isn’t. Democratic politicians were shot dead by a Trump supporter, Tim Walz was on his hitlist, you said nowt. Fatso goes on anti Semitic rants, you said nowt. Israel kills 70,000 people, you say nowt.
Just be consistent and condemn violence even if it’s carried out against people you’re opposed to.
Pretty big difference imo between some of us idiots on here talking about Kirk and the President of the USA celebrating an American being murdered because he dared to criticise him.
Did I really? News to me.This is another set of blatant whataboutism and projection here.
I am against political violence of any kind and have repeatedly made that clear. Including on this occasion. You aren't going to take the spotlight off yourself by trying to go down this avenue.
Kirk was barely even had his death announced before you started ripping into him. You're doing it on this thread as well now by making stupid comments about him not doing anything useful. What is mental is that some of you cry foul at Trump and act all offended, but you were doing exactly the same thing a few months ago.
Just complete hypocrites, basically.
This is another set of blatant whataboutism and projection here.
I am against political violence of any kind and have repeatedly made that clear. Including on this occasion. You aren't going to take the spotlight off yourself by trying to go down this avenue.
Kirk was barely even had his death announced before you started ripping into him. You're doing it on this thread as well now by making stupid comments about him not doing anything useful. What is mental is that some of you cry foul at Trump and act all offended, but you were doing exactly the same thing a few months ago.
Just complete hypocrites, basically.
Did I really? News to me.
You got very upset about anti-Semitic Muslims in Birmingham then ignored someone posting at length about Jews running the world. That really was hypocrisy.
lead by example thenIt depends what you would define as celebrating. Some of the comments on here were pretty close cases as well. If you recall as well, certain things were posted, including from you, on things Kirk supposedly said, which turned out to be false.
You aren't on the right side of this as much as you think you are really, and you were much closer to the way Trump is behaving than you think. I disagree with all of it to be honest. Someone has passed away, there should be a better level of respect.
I'm sorry if you feel I didn't show enough respect to the death of a racist who was happy for innocent schoolkids to be murdered.
Kirk was doing no good, he wanted to sow division. I didn't celebrate his death, and I'm not glad he's dead.
That doesn't mean we can't point out the awful things he said out of 'respect'.
Nobody ‘has a mare’ on a football forum. It’s a pity you’re acting like this as really there’s an interesting discussion to be had, but not if only one person’s willing to have it.Somehow every post seems to get more pathetic.
You've had a mare mate. Log off.
another set of blatant whataboutism
however, the two cases are entirely different
he had an active interest in politics, but...
Like I said, you are a bunch of hyprocrites.
I'm not sure why you've bothered with anything beyond the first paragraph. Not only are your facts well off, but it is pretty clear how you really think about his assasination. You wouldn't keep going on about what he said and did (even if misinformed and incorrect), if you didn't. It's not remotely relevant.
Like I said, you are a bunch of hyprocrites.
Nobody ‘has a mare’ on a football forum. It’s a pity you’re acting like this as really there’s an interesting discussion to be had, but not if only one person’s willing to have it.
I've said all I need to say on Kirk - he was an awful c**t but that doesn't mean he deserved to be murdered.
Trump seems to think Reiner deserved to be murdered.
It's silly, but not surprising, that you can't see the difference. Or choose not to.
What point are you trying to make?
who ya gonna try and fight today mate i lick your style ha ha haYou have had a mare. Several of you, in fact.
You ripped into Kirk, then got all upset when called out. Trump has now done a similair thing with Reiner, and you've got all offended about what he's said. It's textbook hypocrisy.
The only discussion here that needs to had is that no one should be killed for their opinion on politics, it doesn’t matter if they said something you don't agree with, it isn't remotely relevant.
I can think someone was an arsehole while not thinking they deserved to be killed. I said as much at the time.You have had a mare. Several of you, in fact.
You ripped into Kirk, then got all upset when called out. Trump has now done a similair thing with Reiner, and you've got all offended about what he's said. It's textbook hypocrisy.
The only discussion here that needs to had is that no one should be killed for their opinion on politics, it doesn’t matter if they said something you don't agree with, it isn't remotely relevant.
I can think someone was an arsehole while not thinking they deserved to be killed. I said as much at the time.
Also, again, you pretended to be concerned about anti Semitism then ignored a poster indulging in it. That’s hypocrisy, it just is.
that a lot of your posts are you doing the thing you've logged on to criticise other people for doing.
Fucking hell. Stay classy Donald.
What have I ignored? If there was blatant anti Semitism on here I would call it out.
So you missed the lengthy posts about how Jews run the world?What have I ignored? If there was blatant anti Semitism on here I would call it out. Seems a bit of a pointless deflection.
The problem is, your language being used is similar to that of Trump.
So you missed the lengthy posts about how Jews run the world?
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