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stupot07

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #141
If it's a choice between selling off the NHS to Trump or staying in EU, it's a no brainer. Stay in the EU and tell trump to do one.

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #142
Sick Boy said:
The UK saying hands off the NHS to the Yanks is as likely as the UK holding all the cards in the EU negotiations. It will happen but will be spun so much that people will end up accepting it.
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Crucially many of those promoting Brexit want to either privatise the NHS or make it payable at source. Some of who are vying to be the next Tory leader and PM. Haven’t seen any of them saying hands of yet.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #143
We send £350 million to the EU a week. Let’s sell the NHS off to America instead.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #144
chiefdave said:
To be fair most of Trumps press conferences are followed by his staff trying to back peddle from all the comments he's made up on the spot.

Sure those that were highly critical of Corbyn for allegedly refusing to meet Trump will be equally as critical of Trump now its transpired that Corbyn requested a meeting and Trump refused.
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Which makes Corbyn a liar of course and an utterly embarrassing egotist
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #145
stupot07 said:
If it's a choice between selling off the NHS to Trump or staying in EU, it's a no brainer. Stay in the EU and tell trump to do one.

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Hopefully this will cause a few people to start to wake up to reality. Unfortunately a lot of effort has been put into priming the U.K. for this so who knows.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #146
stupot07 said:
If it's a choice between selling off the NHS to Trump or staying in EU, it's a no brainer. Stay in the EU and tell trump to do one.

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What do you mean by selling the NHS to the states?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #147
skybluetony176 said:
Crucially many of those promoting Brexit want to either privatise the NHS or make it payable at source. Some of who are vying to be the next Tory leader and PM. Haven’t seen any of them saying hands of yet.
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There is not one elected Mp who has ever advocated privatising the NHS
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #148
djr8369 said:
Hopefully this will cause a few people to start to wake up to reality. Unfortunately a lot of effort has been put into priming the U.K. for this so who knows.


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It’s too late and the UK has become so Americanised anyway. Perhaps Orwell was onto something
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #149
Sick Boy said:
It’s too late and the UK has become so Americanised anyway. Perhaps Orwell was onto something
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God it’s the 6th form debating society again.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #150
Grendel said:
God it’s the 6th form debating society again.
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It’s a step above the Primary school one with the constant mentions of Corbyn to throw everything off track.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #151
Grendel said:
God it’s the 6th form debating society again.
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I’m not sure you’re one to talk when you see everything through the lens of your hatred for Corbyn and Labour.


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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #152
Sick Boy said:
It’s a step above the Primary school one with the constant mentions of Corbyn to throw everything off track.
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How’s that throwing everyone off track? Perhaps you’d like to explain how the nhs will be privatised?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #153
djr8369 said:
I’m not sure you’re one to talk when you see everything through the lens of your hatred for Corbyn and Labour.


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The only PM whose endorsed any form of privatisation is of course the EU friend - the blood stained Blair creature
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #154
Grendel said:
The only PM whose endorsed any form of privatisation is of course the EU friend - the blood stained Blair creature
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Ooh, full house!




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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #155
djr8369 said:
Ooh, full house!




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Just a factually accurate statement vs 6th form hysteria
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #156
Grendel said:
There is not one elected Mp who has ever advocated privatising the NHS
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Key Tory MPs backed call to dismantle NHS

New health secretary received £32,000 in donations from chair of think tank that wants NHS 'abolished'

New Tory health chief voted to speed up privatisation of the NHS

Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

Our NHS isn’t safe in Tory hands — Scottish National Party

I could carry on and on looking for brexit backing candidates for the Tory leadership referencing either privatising the NHS or making it payable at source and it would be an endless list.
 
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ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #157
BBC news with a replica of the Trump Blimp in the studio. Fuck me :facepalm:
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #158
skybluetony176 said:
Key Tory MPs backed call to dismantle NHS

New health secretary received £32,000 in donations from chair of think tank that wants NHS 'abolished'

New Tory health chief voted to speed up privatisation of the NHS

Jeremy Hunt co-authored book calling for NHS to be replaced with private insurance

Our NHS isn’t safe in Tory hands — Scottish National Party

I could carry on and on looking for brexit backing candidates for the Tory leadership referencing either privatising the NHS or making it payable at source and it would be an endless list.
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That’s all hyperbolic shite and again no more privatising the NHS (which is really a suggestion we are going to an insurance based system) than of course the strategy deployed by the blood stained Blair Creature

Are you chair if the debating society Tony? I bet you are a master of it.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #159
Grendel said:
How’s that throwing everyone off track? Perhaps you’d like to explain how the nhs will be privatised?
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Why do you think they are so desperate to get their hands on it? The USA will take full advantage of the UK’s vulnerability and it’ll be hugely in their favour.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #160
Sick Boy said:
Why do you think they are so desperate to get their hands on it? The USA will take full advantage of the UK’s vulnerability and it’ll be hugely in their favour.
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What do you mean by getting their hands on it?
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #161
Grendel said:
That’s all hyperbolic shite and again no more privatising the NHS (which is really a suggestion we are going to an insurance based system) than of course the strategy deployed by the blood stained Blair Creature

Are you chair if the debating society Tony? I bet you are a master of it.
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Are you paid to write this shit?


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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #162
Grendel said:
The only PM whose endorsed any form of privatisation is of course the EU friend - the blood stained Blair creature
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You're wrong G. Cameron brought in the Procurement, Patient Choice and Competition regulations 2013, they were the first ones that enforced competition and advertising domestically contracts for NHS services. These were partly superseded by the Public Contracts Regulations 2015 (derived from EU directive but no health opt out sought by UK gov) which enforce EU wide competition.
Blair used the PFI model extensively but this was of course a Tory design. The Daily Mail and Tories would not have supported the massive capital spending needed by the 90s to rebuild crumbling schools and hospitals. I'm no fan of PFI but can see the political reasons for it if not the economic.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #163
Grendel said:
That’s all hyperbolic shite and again no more privatising the NHS (which is really a suggestion we are going to an insurance based system) than of course the strategy deployed by the blood stained Blair Creature

Are you chair if the debating society Tony? I bet you are a master of it.
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I thought it might be. Debating society? Oh, you mean anyone who doesn’t agree with your nonsensical factless ramblings of a mad man.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #164
skybluetony176 said:
I thought it might be. Debating society? Oh, you mean anyone who doesn’t agree with your nonsensical factless ramblings of a mad man.
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You’ve linked a series of hypothesis none of which have remote evidential fact
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #165
fernandopartridge said:
You're wrong G. Cameron brought in the Procurement, Patient Choice and Competition regulations 2013, they were the first ones that enforced competition and advertising domestically contracts for NHS services. These were partly superseded by the Public Contracts Regulations 2015 (derived from EU directive but no health opt out sought by UK gov) which enforce EU wide competition.
Blair used the PFI model extensively but this was of course a Tory design. The Daily Mail and Tories would not have supported the massive capital spending needed by the 90s to rebuild crumbling schools and hospitals. I'm no fan of PFI but can see the political reasons for it if not the economic.
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Yes it’s this I am referring to

Blair welcomes private firms into NHS
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #166
Grendel said:
Yes it’s this I am referring to

Blair welcomes private firms into NHS
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But why? Do you think people will be ok with it because Blair did a bit?

You’re the one accusing everyone of being a 6th former while going back to tribalism again and again.


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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #167
Grendel said:
Yes it’s this I am referring to

Blair welcomes private firms into NHS
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TBF that was to deal with waiting lists rather than a specific desire to privatise the NHS, arguably using private companies for good rather than just outsourcing services to them wholesale. Not that I disagree with your broad view of Blair necessarily.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #168
djr8369 said:
But why? Do you think people will be ok with it because Blair did a bit?

You’re the one accusing everyone of being a 6th former while going back to tribalism again and again.


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No I want a definition of what “privatising the NHS” is. Privatisation is the removal of public funding is it not?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #169
Grendel said:
You’ve linked a series of hypothesis none of which have remote evidential fact
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One of the links quotes a book that Jeremy Hunt co authored with Gove.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #170
skybluetony176 said:
One of the links quotes a book that Jeremy Hunt co authored with Gove.
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What did Hunt respond to have accusations?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #171
Of course Mr Gove also advocated privatising parts of education. Secret memo shows Michael Gove's plan for privatisation of academies Can you imagine the US flat earth society, climate change denying, creationist denying education system coming to a school near you?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #172
skybluetony176 said:
Of course Mr Gove also advocated privatising parts of education. Secret memo shows Michael Gove's plan for privatisation of academies Can you imagine the US flat earth society, climate change denying, creationist denying education system coming to a school near you?
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I think the proposal was an excellent idea
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #173
Grendel said:
No I want a definition of what “privatising the NHS” is. Privatisation is the removal of public funding is it not?
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No. It is removing the control of entities performing public services from the public sector to the private sector.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #174
fernandopartridge said:
No. It is removing the control of entities performing public services from the public sector to the private sector.
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I don’t think though that’s what the hysteria straplines are trying to create
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 4, 2019
  • #175
As usual Frankie Boyle has a good take on it Jeremy Hunt doesn’t understand junior doctors. He co-wrote a book on how to dismantle the NHS | Frankie Boyle
 
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