Things that annoy you (9 Viewers)

[itsabuzzard]

Jesus Christ.

You think there’s been no debate? We’ve had a hundred years of fucking debate. Most of it filled with credulous dipshits claiming it’s not real at every turn. Every model for thirty years has been accurate, 99% of scientists agree it’s happening and caused by human carbon output. For fucks sake you can see it in your lifetime

You do not know better because you’ve got a YouTube account and a contrarian attitude. FFS get a grip people or stay off the internet because clearly you don’t have the basic level of information hygiene to safely access it.

This is as bad as the morons claiming Covid wasn’t real during the pandemic. Just desperate to be the smartest person in the room with the edgy opinion. I dispair.

I thought you might have been able to do better than a series of ad hominems.

 

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[Captain Dart]

I thought you might have been able to do better than a series of ad hominems.

I could demolish the rant but there is little point or value in doing so, the guy seems angry and life is too short.

All I will say is that contrarians are usually responsible for changes in widely held scientific beliefs and if you cannot disagree with a consensus you invite stagnation.

I've seen it said more than once that science changes once the leading proponents of a theory die and can't attack the bearers of new ideas that threaten their status (and all the benefits that come with it).

 

[itsabuzzard]

I could demolish the rant but there is little point or value in doing so, the guy seems angry and life is too short.

All I will say is that contrarians are usually responsible for changes in widely held scientific beliefs and if you cannot disagree with a consensus you invite stagnation.

I've seen it said more than once that science changes once the leading proponents of a theory die and can't attack the bearers of new ideas that threaten their status (and all the benefits that come with it).

It was the sort of ill-tempered and wholly predictable rant that prompted me to say I wasn't going to get drawn in to "discussing" specifics in my initial response. If that's "fucking debate" then, as you say, why bother?
Good on you for putting across your point of view. Keep it up.

 

[Sick Boy]

Doesn't it actually transfer the problem outside via the exhaust of heat? Which is the the product of what you're trying to achieve let alone the energy required to run it?
I say this as someone who has benefited from it on many occasions at work!

When it’s 30c inside, that’s the last thing on my mind!

 

[mmttww]

Do people not grasp that climate changes prior to the industrial revolution would happen over millennia, and that climate science shows an indisputable rise in global temperature over a fraction of that time with a spike in the last 60 years since car use surged and air travel became a thing? How is it even an argument!

 

[mmttww]

I've seen it said more than once that science changes once the leading proponents of a theory die and can't attack the bearers of new ideas that threaten their status (and all the benefits that come with it).

well I was being taught about global warming and climate change as an imminent threat 30 years ago.

I'd say that gives time and space for credible alternatives to be put fwd. Any you can share?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I could demolish the rant but there is little point or value in doing so, the guy seems angry and life is too short.

All I will say is that contrarians are usually responsible for changes in widely held scientific beliefs and if you cannot disagree with a consensus you invite stagnation.

I've seen it said more than once that science changes once the leading proponents of a theory die and can't attack the bearers of new ideas that threaten their status (and all the benefits that come with it).

Which of the following do you dispute?

Burning fossil fuels generates CO2

CO2 absorbs infra red from the Sun which drives the greenhouse effect

Humans burn fossil fuels

 

[Captain Dart]

Which of the following do you dispute?

Burning fossil fuels generates CO2

CO2 absorbs infra red from the Sun which drives the greenhouse effect

Humans burn fossil fuels

I've already told you I do not dispute them but I do not think they are the main drivers of any warming effects and I do not see an impending crisis that means we have to abandon reliable energy generation and adopt inefficient, unreliable and land/sea hungry methods. I see the 'problem' is more of a political drive and as mmttww already pointed out children were being indoctrinated to believe in a coming crisis as long as 30 years ago. Where is this crisis, I see no major problems occuring, in fact the earth is greener and more productive now that it was 50 years ago.

Other theories focus more on the earth's albedo (mainly cloud cover) being lower and higher sun activity.

Besides there is a hell of a lot more water vapour in the atmosphere than the 0.04% that is CO2 and that retains heat too but at different wavelengths to CO2.

I also already noted that the CO2 effect, whatever it is will saturate and be attenuated.

Let me ask you a question, how do you think the ice ages come and go without massive human intervention, the earth has been in ice ages far longer than interglacial periods. We are currently in an interglacial period.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Why isnt there a limit on the amount of items you can take in the self service checkout at the supermarket.

Twats scanning a whole weeks worth of shopping holding up a queue of 10 people.

 

[chiefdave]

Why isnt there a limit on the amount of items you can take in the self service checkout at the supermarket.

Twats scanning a whole weeks worth of shopping holding up a queue of 10 people.

Supermarkets drive me mad but I've given up on ordering online as you end up missing things you need and have to go there anyway.

Why on Saturday mornings are they full of pensioners ambling around, people stopping for a chat, people on their phones etc etc. They should be places you get in and get out of as quickly as possible.

Went to Asda last weekend and there was one self service till working but because it's a small Asda they've got no actual tills anymore so everyone had to queue for that one.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I've already told you I do not dispute them but I do not think they are the main drivers of any warming effects and I do not see an impending crisis that means we have to abandon reliable energy generation and adopt inefficient, unreliable and land/sea hungry methods. I see the 'problem' is more of a political drive and as mmttww already pointed out children were being indoctrinated to believe in a coming crisis as long as 30 years ago. Where is this crisis, I see no major problems occuring, in fact the earth is greener and more productive now that it was 50 years ago.

Other theories focus more on the earth's albedo (mainly cloud cover) being lower and higher sun activity.

Besides there is a hell of a lot more water vapour in the atmosphere than the 0.04% that is CO2 and that retains heat too but at different wavelengths to CO2.
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I also already noted that the CO2 effect, whatever it is will saturate and be attenuated.
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Let me ask you a question, how do you think the ice ages come and go without massive human intervention, the earth has been in ice ages far longer than interglacial periods. We are currently in an interglacial period.
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Sounds good. Nothing to worry about at all, let’s continue burning all the stuff we want.

 

[mmttww]

so we're comparing a process that's accelerated massively in c. half a century with evidence we can see and feel around us, happening as and when it was predicted, to processes that are measured in tens of thousands of years?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

so we're comparing a process that's accelerated massively in c. half a century with evidence we can see and feel around us, happening as and when it was predicted, to processes that are measured in tens of thousands of years?

Nah, Dartman has it sussed.

 

[shmmeee]

I thought you might have been able to do better than a series of ad hominems.

What do you want? It’s not as hominems it’s the problem. If you think climate change isn’t real then you lack some very basic information parsing ability. It’s incontrovertible at this point. It’s like thinking the earth if flat or vaccines don’t work or the government are controlling us with chemtrails.

I used to love a conspiracy as a stoned student, bit of modern ghost story type stuff. But they aren’t supposed to be taken seriously. And they cause real actual damage if they are, people die because they believe in this sort of nonsense.

Just have some fucking humility. Even if you have dedicated your life to climate research (which I’m guessing you haven’t), the entire scientific community, smart people who have spent their lives studying this stuff from a variety of disciplines and walks of life have been singing from the same hymn sheet for decades. Chances are you’d still be wrong.

People’s brains are broken by the odd hyped up story of the lone fringe thinker who was proven right but they’re one in a billion and more often than not were either wrong in key ways at the time or a stopped clock. We use scientific consensus and the scientific method to bypass human fallibility. And it fucking works. We’ve reached the stars and doubled our lifespans and made it possible to live and love across the entire planet, all while watching the funniest cat videos known to man.

To suddenly see seemingly normal people just decide to throw all that out the window cos they were sent an interesting TikTok or whatever and want to feel like they’re special with secret knowledge is maddening. No you don’t know more than the scientific community on whatever topic it is, you probably don’t know more than any specialist community. If you really care about something do the work to understand the position you’re arguing against first instead of relying on scare quotes and vague “questions”. Except then you’d be a climate scientist and like all the rest realise it’s blatantly obvious it’s real.

The internet has absolutely broken people into believing they can grok a topic in weeks to the same level that others have spent their lives studying. It’s an assumption that says “I’m smarter than everyone who has ever tried this”. We saw the hubris with Musk and Cummings and God knows how many overly online eejits and none of these fuckers manage to improve things, they all realise it’s harder than it looks and run away with their tail between their legs. The smart ones never try and realise the good money is in writing blogs convincing the credulous that they’ve got secret knowledge.

You want to argue whether supply or demand side economics is best, or the pros and cons of private vs public utilities, or something sane that sensible people who have spent their lives in the field still debate then fair enough. But the absolute brass neck to start trying to overturn well accepted knowledge from a scroll on your bog deserves all the “ad hominems” I can find tbqh.

 

[itsabuzzard]

What do you want? It’s not as hominems it’s the problem. If you think climate change isn’t real then you lack some very basic information parsing ability. It’s incontrovertible at this point. It’s like thinking the earth if flat or vaccines don’t work or the government are controlling us with chemtrails.

I used to love a conspiracy as a stoned student, bit of modern ghost story type stuff. But they aren’t supposed to be taken seriously. And they cause real actual damage if they are, people die because they believe in this sort of nonsense.

Just have some fucking humility. Even if you have dedicated your life to climate research (which I’m guessing you haven’t), the entire scientific community, smart people who have spent their lives studying this stuff from a variety of disciplines and walks of life have been singing from the same hymn sheet for decades. Chances are you’d still be wrong.

People’s brains are broken by the odd hyped up story of the lone fringe thinker who was proven right but they’re one in a billion and more often than not were either wrong in key ways at the time or a stopped clock. We use scientific consensus and the scientific method to bypass human fallibility. And it fucking works. We’ve reached the stars and doubled our lifespans and made it possible to live and love across the entire planet, all while watching the funniest cat videos known to man.

To suddenly see seemingly normal people just decide to throw all that out the window cos they were sent an interesting TikTok or whatever and want to feel like they’re special with secret knowledge is maddening. No you don’t know more than the scientific community on whatever topic it is, you probably don’t know more than any specialist community. If you really care about something do the work to understand the position you’re arguing against first instead of relying on scare quotes and vague “questions”. Except then you’d be a climate scientist and like all the rest realise it’s blatantly obvious it’s real.

The internet has absolutely broken people into believing they can grok a topic in weeks to the same level that others have spent their lives studying. It’s an assumption that says “I’m smarter than everyone who has ever tried this”. We saw the hubris with Musk and Cummings and God knows how many overly online eejits and none of these fuckers manage to improve things, they all realise it’s harder than it looks and run away with their tail between their legs. The smart ones never try and realise the good money is in writing blogs convincing the credulous that they’ve got secret knowledge.

You want to argue whether supply or demand side economics is best, or the pros and cons of private vs public utilities, or something sane that sensible people who have spent their lives in the field still debate then fair enough. But the absolute brass neck to start trying to overturn well accepted knowledge from a scroll on your bog deserves all the “ad hominems” I can find tbqh.

This is as deranged a reply as last night's, which is going some.

 

[mmttww]

This is as deranged a reply as last night's...

I mean, it's not. Like, at all. It's bang on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What do you want? It’s not as hominems it’s the problem. If you think climate change isn’t real then you lack some very basic information parsing ability. It’s incontrovertible at this point. It’s like thinking the earth if flat or vaccines don’t work or the government are controlling us with chemtrails.

I used to love a conspiracy as a stoned student, bit of modern ghost story type stuff. But they aren’t supposed to be taken seriously. And they cause real actual damage if they are, people die because they believe in this sort of nonsense.

Just have some fucking humility. Even if you have dedicated your life to climate research (which I’m guessing you haven’t), the entire scientific community, smart people who have spent their lives studying this stuff from a variety of disciplines and walks of life have been singing from the same hymn sheet for decades. Chances are you’d still be wrong.

People’s brains are broken by the odd hyped up story of the lone fringe thinker who was proven right but they’re one in a billion and more often than not were either wrong in key ways at the time or a stopped clock. We use scientific consensus and the scientific method to bypass human fallibility. And it fucking works. We’ve reached the stars and doubled our lifespans and made it possible to live and love across the entire planet, all while watching the funniest cat videos known to man.

To suddenly see seemingly normal people just decide to throw all that out the window cos they were sent an interesting TikTok or whatever and want to feel like they’re special with secret knowledge is maddening. No you don’t know more than the scientific community on whatever topic it is, you probably don’t know more than any specialist community. If you really care about something do the work to understand the position you’re arguing against first instead of relying on scare quotes and vague “questions”. Except then you’d be a climate scientist and like all the rest realise it’s blatantly obvious it’s real.

The internet has absolutely broken people into believing they can grok a topic in weeks to the same level that others have spent their lives studying. It’s an assumption that says “I’m smarter than everyone who has ever tried this”. We saw the hubris with Musk and Cummings and God knows how many overly online eejits and none of these fuckers manage to improve things, they all realise it’s harder than it looks and run away with their tail between their legs. The smart ones never try and realise the good money is in writing blogs convincing the credulous that they’ve got secret knowledge.

You want to argue whether supply or demand side economics is best, or the pros and cons of private vs public utilities, or something sane that sensible people who have spent their lives in the field still debate then fair enough. But the absolute brass neck to start trying to overturn well accepted knowledge from a scroll on your bog deserves all the “ad hominems” I can find tbqh.

As a scientist working on stuff closely related to greenhouse gases and the climate I find the nonsense coming from some on here pretty frustrating to read. It’s insulting to people who as you say have spent years understanding the topic and trying to find solutions not because they ‘hate’ humans, but because they want to help them.

 

[Marty]

Will you bores take this to the politics thread, if you lot spent as much time trying to improve your own lives as you do with arguing with randoms on the internet, you would be a lot better off.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Will you bores take this to the politics thread, if you lot spent as much time trying to improve your own lives as you do with arguing with randoms on the internet, you would be a lot better off.

OK. Crank conspiracy nonsense is a ‘thing that annoys me’.

 

[Marty]

OK. Crank conspiracy nonsense is a ‘thing that annoys me’.

Well that shown me.

 

[mmttww]

if you lot spent as much time trying to improve your own lives as you do with arguing with randoms on the internet, you would be a lot better off.

so this is hard to dispute and that annoys me.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well that shown me.

 

[Captain Dart]

Sounds good. Nothing to worry about at all, let’s continue burning all the stuff we want.

Hey man no one wants to waste resources. Our energy should come from reliable sources sustainable at grid scale and be affordable for lower-income families. Solar PV and wind don't fit that description. I think nuclear is the best option but the current (and past) governments are only just maintaining the existing base load component. It's not going well.