The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

    23 vote(s)
    37.1%
  2. Leave

    35 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. Undecided

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. westcountry_skyblue

    westcountry_skyblue Well-Known Member

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    Who said anything about manifesto's? So the current labour leadership and momentum is not left wing in its views?
    That was my question......McCluskey,Hatton,Corbyn,McDonnell the dream team.
    Don't you lot ever want to be in power? When was the last time a socialist party were voted in? Think I was a junior school,People can see through their policies its not the 1970's anymore they don't wash with the working man!!
     
  2. Brighton Sky Blue

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    Oh I have no issue with ‘left of centre’. It is, because funnily enough the Labour Party should be that.

    It’s evidence for ‘hard left’ I want.

    3 policies

    Why they are far left

    Go
     
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    I don't trust the EU. I don't trust the Tory government. The British politicians are a joke.

    Two comments are allowed. One isn't. Guess which one isn't.
     
  4. martcov

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    Corbyn has denounced it. Trump said fine people on both sides after a neo Nazi demo.
     
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    So what is your problem?

    Oh yes I don't agree with whatever you say. And I won't praise the EU alongside you.
     
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    I’m calling out your inaccurate sweeping statements.

    Stop playing the victim, as usual.
     
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    Which of their 70s policies in particular do you disagree with and which of the current governments policies do you think are more progressive?
     
  8. westcountry_skyblue

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    Please refer to post above....
     
  9. Brighton Sky Blue

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    I don’t disagree with either sentiment. The problem is we are very unlikely to get a world full of honest and selfless politicians so we must ask are the imperfections tolerable.

    In my view the EU’s are less deep rooted than our own.
     
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    You still can’t give me 3 policies so I guess you haven’t got any evidence to back the claim. Final chance?

    I know the Telegraph says Jerry’s a Trot but for once think for yourself
     
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    Which is why you can’t answer questions, or won’t because you made things up.
     
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    It’s not praising the EU to point you cannot answer questions.
     
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    People that have very strong opinions about politics but very little actual knowledge are like posh people who like soccer.
     
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    No they tend to be people saying

    ‘Brexit means Brexit’

    ‘Will of the people’

    ‘Respect our democracy’

    ‘Jerry’s a Trot’
     
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    You can go through history and find individuals, groups and govts that have committed atrocities from all ends of the political spectrum.
    Much like religion politics responsible for far too many deaths.
     
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    Trump, Bannon, Farage, + Fria Tiden und Breitbart...= right Wing atrocities. How many on here support or quote the aforementioned?

    The EU was originally conceived out of the rubble of WWII to end all European wars. Brexit is conceived by right wingers and includes extreme right wingers, racists and dodgy businessmen to smash the EU and therefore allow the very forces that were responsible for WWII back on to the stage. No surprise that the killer in NZ supports Brexit.

    Who is on the right side of history here?
     
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    How many atrocities are carried out by centrists?
     
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    You can indeed. In recent history, especially State side, right wing mass murderers have taken centre stage. Alongside socially conservative Islamic extremists.
     
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    How many have murdered an MP in the street
     
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    Normally you post some reasonable stuff. Now you've lowered yourself to the same level as the more extreme Brexiteers you attack. If this is the level of debate we Could expect in a 2nd referendum maybe we shouldn't bother.
     
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    Thanks. But, propaganda, lies and deliberate button pushing is part and parcel of the people and organisations that I mentioned. At some point some nut will feel emboldened. That is the problem. Most won’t, but some but reading the comments and seeing the likes will think, yeah I am going to solve the problem and be a hero.

    I mean somewhere on the internet- not here.

    Not saying anyone on here would, but there are a few who should look at these sources and ask themselves wtf is going on.
     
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    Not really, the EU are approaching this as they should i.e. to reach a mutually beneficial agreement.

    That's unlike the privileged Tory tossers on the UK side who see every negotiation as a winner talks all deal to buy something.
     
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    the Trump way, still it's worked OK for them in business where they've built themselves up from nothing with only a multi million trust fund to start them off.
     
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    I think you are missing the point. We have suddenly a sign that takes us from 'take it or leave it' territory.

    Slagging the tories is all very well, but what about Labour? All they want to do is get into Government & are manipulating Brexit as best they can to do so!

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    Slagging the tories is all very well because they have been in charge of the whole process.
     
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    What has labour got to do with it? They. Are. Not. In. Government.
     
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    They are the only alternative to the Tory tossers

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    Brexit is a disaster. It is not what was promised. It cannot make us better off under no deal or May‘s deal.

    All that is left is clutching at straws in the hope that somehow it won’t be a total disaster and/ or finding people to blame. Labour, remainers, the EU, people who don’t believe enough.., whatever. The people I blame are the people who sold this idea of leaving the biggest trading bloc in the world without a „business plan“ or a concept of how leave should take form.
     
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    That’s not their fault. It is the fault of the FPTP electoral system which makes it hard for alternative parties or ideas.
     
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    He was for May‘s deal. He was criticised for that by opposition parties as they think the EU has given too much leeway on citizens rights and trade standards. I don’t know how you get blink. There are 26 other countries involved and he is not Merkel.
     
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    It’s hardly ‘a blink’ it’s more the EU trying to find a solution despite the incompetence of the UK government.

    Nice attempt at a deflection onto Labour there too. Brexit is a mess that the Tory’s will be forever associated with.
     
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