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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (25 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 15, 2019
  • #31,151
Save our great British curries

I swallowed the Brexit lies. Now I regret telling curry house workers to vote leave | Oli Khan
 
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Ashdown

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  • Feb 15, 2019
  • #31,152
martcov said:
I knew about the first report, the answer in defence to the first report and got the final decision a couple of days ago. Maybe after yourself. I didn’t say the defence was the final decision. I said there was a criticism of the first report. It was described in the article as scathing. Was overridden though. Which is what I said when I got the final decision. Where’s the lie?
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St Austells Proper Job tonight......lovely drink !! You don't need many though, so don't wind me up later......joke !
 
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Ashdown

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  • Feb 15, 2019
  • #31,153
Deleted member 5849 said:
'Sausage World' plans put on hold
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They're expensive by comparison. I like a Gills from Wolverhampton, cheap but cheerful !
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 15, 2019
  • #31,154
Tommy Robinson will end up winning European elections if Brexit is delayed, Rees-Mogg warns

Weird the usual Project Fear lot haven’t brought this one up
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Feb 15, 2019
  • #31,155
Sick Boy said:
Tommy Robinson will end up winning European elections if Brexit is delayed, Rees-Mogg warns

Weird the usual Project Fear lot haven’t brought this one up
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Leaves very own project fear.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,156
skybluetony176 said:
Leaves very own project fear.
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As opposed to the “Turkeys joining”, “We send billions for nothing” “EU Army” “New World Order” “Junker is a lizard person” stuff.
 
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Astute

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,157
Sick Boy said:
Tommy Robinson will end up winning European elections if Brexit is delayed, Rees-Mogg warns

Weird the usual Project Fear lot haven’t brought this one up
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Is it really project fear? For me it is proper fear.

I said about this a couple of weeks ago. You have the Tories and Labour split. And about half the country wants out of the EU. So about half of the country could consider voting for the new Farage party and the rest of the voters split between Tory, Labour and the other parties.

So out of the half of the country that wants out of the EU how many would vote for a party that has one aim which is to leave the EU?

As usual many refuse to consider what they don't want to happen as something that could. People are pissed off with the present lot. This is both Tories and Labour. There was a leave vote yet about 80% of MP's are going against the electorate. So if someone who wants to leave is given the choice between voting leave again or voting for someone they don't trust which way do you think that they will vote?

But yes let's sleepwalk into this. It isn't a problem. It is project fear.
 

Astute

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,158
martcov said:
I knew about the first report, the answer in defence to the first report and got the final decision a couple of days ago. Maybe after yourself. I didn’t say the defence was the final decision. I said there was a criticism of the first report. It was described in the article as scathing. Was overridden though. Which is what I said when I got the final decision. Where’s the lie?
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Shall we start on Wednesday or would you like to see it even further back? Here is where you tried to say about the EU commission not agreeing with the first one when you could see the second one. The second one agreed with the first one but was even more scathing.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Then you agreed you had seen the second one. This is still Wednesday.

martcov said:
Oettinger wrote the report against the report. That is their version. The first ombudsman report said ‚stretched‘. I posted an extract 2 days ago. The press release said broke. The final report now says broke. Selmayr will probably fight any attempts to fire him based on the change in wording. As Oettinger claims there is a change. That is truthful.
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How about going back a couple more days to Monday where I posted the second report again because I had posted before Monday as well.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Astute said:
Can you put a link of the May one up?

Large organisation so things like this will.happen? That is no excuse for someone to be given the top EU job. The job he has got can't be taken away from him at any time. And you now agree that he shouldn't have got it.

The Ombudsman...... Or woman as such said

Mr Selmayr's appointment did not follow EU law, and did not follow the Commission's own rules," the European Ombudsman Emily O Reilly has maintained,

And that was off a link you supplied.

You then tried to say about the commission slamming the first finding. She spoke out after the first finding and those who run the EU slamming what the first enquiry found.

Whichever way you word it he shouldn't have got the position. Both enquiries say the same. Only 15 out of 518 MEP's voted for him to keep his position. And 13 of them are affiliated to Selmayr and Juncker. Yet nothing has happened.

Then you and others constantly tell us that we have a big say in the EU through our MEP's. Is this the same big say that gets ignored when it suits those who run the EU?
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To which you replied.....again on Monday when you are saying that you hadn't seen it.... But even then you still go back to the first one as it wasn't as scathing as the second you had just read

martcov said:
„The European Parliament debated the issue and passed a resolution in plenary on 18 April 2018. Given the facts of the inquiry, the Ombudsman agrees with its assessment that the affair damaged trust in EU institutions and that the double-appointments “stretched and possibly even overstretched the limits of the law”.“

It is a large organisation. There will be things like this. Main thing is that we have all the reports... from both sides. Do we have anything on May appointing her loyal lieutenant as head of the UK civil service?

I don’t know what will happen about him resigning. May come under employment law.
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So yes Mart. You knew all about the second one all the time. Will go back another week if you still try to lie your way out of it.
 
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Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,159
It's s all going tits up and we're all gonna starve so let me be the first to say fuck off you bunch of narrow minded clueless cunts. You fucking bunch of fucking idiots. Go fuck your selves. Cunts.
 
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Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,160
I will wake up tomorrow still being about 25 times smarter than you fucking no surrender sovereignty focused fucking look at me I once fucking shat myself and realised that my macho posturing is actually a pretty naff cover for me being an actual div c**t wankers.
 
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Grappa

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,161
Fuck off
 
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Grappa

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,162
Cocks
 
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Grappa

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,163
Feel better now. Fucking idiots.
 
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Grappa

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,164
Cocks
 
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Grappa

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,165
Oh we might all be okay because we once had an empire and that's the important thing. I have never actually been in a war but if I had I would be like John fucking Wayne fucking shooting people and I would be like indestructible because I am John fucking Wayne. I am going to swear again.
 
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Grappa

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,166
WANKER
 

covmark

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,167
U ok hun?

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,168
Astute said:
Shall we start on Wednesday or would you like to see it even further back? Here is where you tried to say about the EU commission not agreeing with the first one when you could see the second one. The second one agreed with the first one but was even more scathing.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Then you agreed you had seen the second one. This is still Wednesday.



How about going back a couple more days to Monday where I posted the second report again because I had posted before Monday as well.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....



To which you replied.....again on Monday when you are saying that you hadn't seen it.... But even then you still go back to the first one as it wasn't as scathing as the second you had just read



So yes Mart. You knew all about the second one all the time. Will go back another week if you still try to lie your way out of it.
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No, I obviously didn’t know about the second one if I thought the first one was still applicable. You are just making things up again.
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,169
Ashdown said:
St Austells Proper Job tonight......lovely drink !! You don't need many though, so don't wind me up later......joke !
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7 or 8%?
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,170
Astute said:
Shall we start on Wednesday or would you like to see it even further back? Here is where you tried to say about the EU commission not agreeing with the first one when you could see the second one. The second one agreed with the first one but was even more scathing.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Then you agreed you had seen the second one. This is still Wednesday.



How about going back a couple more days to Monday where I posted the second report again because I had posted before Monday as well.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....



To which you replied.....again on Monday when you are saying that you hadn't seen it.... But even then you still go back to the first one as it wasn't as scathing as the second you had just read



So yes Mart. You knew all about the second one all the time. Will go back another week if you still try to lie your way out of it.
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As far as I can trace, the second one came out on 12. February. I didn’t know about it at 06:43 on Wednesday 13. February. When did you find out?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,171

Goes way beyond an opinion. How can we trust a word Jacob says on anything
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,172
Sky Blue Pete said:

Goes way beyond an opinion. How can we trust a word Jacob says on anything
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He is off his head and a nasty piece of work.
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,173
Astute said:
Shall we start on Wednesday or would you like to see it even further back? Here is where you tried to say about the EU commission not agreeing with the first one when you could see the second one. The second one agreed with the first one but was even more scathing.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Then you agreed you had seen the second one. This is still Wednesday.



How about going back a couple more days to Monday where I posted the second report again because I had posted before Monday as well.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about....



To which you replied.....again on Monday when you are saying that you hadn't seen it.... But even then you still go back to the first one as it wasn't as scathing as the second you had just read



So yes Mart. You knew all about the second one all the time. Will go back another week if you still try to lie your way out of it.
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Yes Astute. When was your link to the final decision? When did you point it out to me that there was a final decision. The first report conclusions were ambiguous and not binding. They were criticised for that.

The whole discussion is not about whether Selmayr appointment was right or wrong. The claim was that the EU is corrupt and not accountable.

If the ombudsman‘s report means that Semlmayr is dropped after the EU elections by the new EC, then that proves that it is democratically accountable. The fact that we can follow both sides of the argument shows that the EU is transparent. In this case more So than with May‘s civil service head‘s appointment.

Not praising the EU, but correcting people like yourself.
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,174
Sky Blue Pete said:

Goes way beyond an opinion. How can we trust a word Jacob says on anything
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He got applause for pointing out that we invented concentration camps. Used the same excuse for a solution that led to 1 in 4 deaths, largely women and children, that the Nazis used for the hunger in their camps. „There was a war on“. This man is liked by some people on here.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,175
Sky Blue Pete said:

Goes way beyond an opinion. How can we trust a word Jacob says on anything
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We never could. Yet some plebs keep lining up to doth the cap and say cheer guv because he repeatedly says brexit will put shoes on people’s feet. What a hero. I’ll be able to take off this cloth my feet are currently bound in because I can’t afford shoes. Yay for brexit, shoes for everyone. What a patronising wanker he is. I’m astounded that so many people buy his act. And it is an act.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,176
Sky Blue Pete said:

Goes way beyond an opinion. How can we trust a word Jacob says on anything
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I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the euro obsessive Mr Saunders whose own articles of the 1975 referendum are a convenient re writing of history

The question was ironic considering the person who made the original comment sucked up to mass murderers and torturers himself only 30 years ago. Mogg was from what I saw was widely applauded and only said what he did because of some rather silly character on his right
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,177
Grendel said:
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the euro obsessive Mr Saunders whose own articles of the 1975 referendum are a convenient re writing of history

The question was ironic considering the person who made the original comment sucked up to mass murderers and torturers himself only 30 years ago. Mogg was from what I saw was widely applauded and only said what he did because of some rather silly character on his right
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Shocking that you’d even try to stick up and deflect away from him. What next? Justifying his extreme views on abortion?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,178
It’s the argument that anything is ok so long as they are on our side !!!

Ffs
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,179
Sick Boy said:
Shocking that you’d even try to stick up and deflect away from him. What next? Justifying his extreme views on abortion?
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Have you actually heard what he said?
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,180
Massive security here in Munich. I can’t get in to Munich. All roads jammed. 40 heads of state. Mike Pence from USA.
 

Astute

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,181
martcov said:
As far as I can trace, the second one came out on 12. February. I didn’t know about it at 06:43 on Wednesday 13. February. When did you find out?
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Bollocks Mart. You know it came.out last year. You said hopefully Selmayr would resign then people could see there would be transparency in the EU. Then I pointed out that it was last year. You then went quiet on the matter for a couple of days. Then you made out that the EU commission was the last word said on the subject again.
 

Astute

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,182
martcov said:
Yes Astute. When was your link to the final decision? When did you point it out to me that there was a final decision. The first report conclusions were ambiguous and not binding. They were criticised for that.

The whole discussion is not about whether Selmayr appointment was right or wrong. The claim was that the EU is corrupt and not accountable.

If the ombudsman‘s report means that Semlmayr is dropped after the EU elections by the new EC, then that proves that it is democratically accountable. The fact that we can follow both sides of the argument shows that the EU is transparent. In this case more So than with May‘s civil service head‘s appointment.

Not praising the EU, but correcting people like yourself.
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OMG twisting it again I see.

So are you saying that if Selmayr went it would show transparency in the EU?

The first report said it was wrong. The EU disagreed. The second report said it was wrong. The EU ignored it again.

Transparency in the EU? The one thing transparent is it is a waste of time having a watchdog in the EU because when it proves they have done wrong even when in law they ignore the findings and carry on as usual. You also forgot to mention the MEP'S vote on if Selmayr should keep the position he shouldn't have got. Only 15 out of 518 MEP's voted for him to keep the position. And 13 of them are affiliated to Selmayr and Juncker. Yet they even ignored the MEP's.

And our only say in the EU is through MEP's. This big say in the EU that you constantly tell us that we have. Now you try to deny the truth.
 
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martcov

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,183
Astute said:
Bollocks Mart. You know it came.out last year. You said hopefully Selmayr would resign then people could see there would be transparency in the EU. Then I pointed out that it was last year. You then went quiet on the matter for a couple of days. Then you made out that the EU commission was the last word said on the subject again.
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Yes I did. No I didn’t. No I didn‘t.

When did you find out about the final decision?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,184
Astute said:
OMG twisting it again I see.

So are you saying that if Selmayr went it would show transparency in the EU?

The first report said it was wrong. The EU disagreed. The second report said it was wrong. The EU ignored it again.

Transparency in the EU? The one thing transparent is it is a waste of time having a watchdog in the EU because when it proves they have done wrong even when in law they ignore the findings and carry on as usual. You also forgot to mention the MEP'S vote on if Selmayr should keep the position he shouldn't have got. Only 15 out of 518 MEP's voted for him to keep the position. And 13 of them are affiliated to Selmayr and Juncker. Yet they even ignored the MEP's.

And our only say in the EU is through MEP's. This big say in the EU that you constantly tell us that we have. Now you try to deny the truth.
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The first report said it was wrong and then that it possibly even broke the law. That wasn’t binding and was not conclusive that the law had been broken.

The EC objected to the report and I posted Öttinger‘s objections and „scathing criticism“ of the first report.

The parliament voted asking for Selmayr‘s resignation. They cannot Sack an employee of the EC, the same as, say, the ERG cannot sack Robins by voting for his resignation. They can put him in the limelight and under pressure. But they cannot force him to resign.

The second report is conclusive and has found that the law was broken because the „case of urgency“ was contrived.

It is unlikely Selmayr will go without going before a court ( Arbeitsgericht in German). It is also unlikely that he would be fired before the EU elections and Brexit. He has been in Brexit from the start and they would have to appoint Juncker‘s replacement after the EU elections to go properly through the recommendations of the ombudsman.

Yes, that is transparent and following proper procedure.

Now, how was May‘s „loyal lieutenant“ appointed and what procedure is there to assess whether the appointment was correct. All we had for the equivalent position was the excuse of a case of urgency- Brexit - and a bit of moaning from Corbyn.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 16, 2019
  • #31,185
Grendel said:
Have you actually heard what he said?
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He thinks life starts at conception. Do you think a zygote is a living organism?

Also thinks that rape victims should carry their rapists' babies.
 
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