The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

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  2. Leave

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  3. Undecided

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  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

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    St Austells Proper Job tonight......lovely drink !! You don't need many though, so don't wind me up later......joke !
     
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    As opposed to the “Turkeys joining”, “We send billions for nothing” “EU Army” “New World Order” “Junker is a lizard person” stuff.
     
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    Is it really project fear? For me it is proper fear.

    I said about this a couple of weeks ago. You have the Tories and Labour split. And about half the country wants out of the EU. So about half of the country could consider voting for the new Farage party and the rest of the voters split between Tory, Labour and the other parties.

    So out of the half of the country that wants out of the EU how many would vote for a party that has one aim which is to leave the EU?

    As usual many refuse to consider what they don't want to happen as something that could. People are pissed off with the present lot. This is both Tories and Labour. There was a leave vote yet about 80% of MP's are going against the electorate. So if someone who wants to leave is given the choice between voting leave again or voting for someone they don't trust which way do you think that they will vote?

    But yes let's sleepwalk into this. It isn't a problem. It is project fear.
     
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    Shall we start on Wednesday or would you like to see it even further back? Here is where you tried to say about the EU commission not agreeing with the first one when you could see the second one. The second one agreed with the first one but was even more scathing.

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    Then you agreed you had seen the second one. This is still Wednesday.

    How about going back a couple more days to Monday where I posted the second report again because I had posted before Monday as well.

    The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

    To which you replied.....again on Monday when you are saying that you hadn't seen it.... But even then you still go back to the first one as it wasn't as scathing as the second you had just read

    So yes Mart. You knew all about the second one all the time. Will go back another week if you still try to lie your way out of it.
     
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    It's s all going tits up and we're all gonna starve so let me be the first to say fuck off you bunch of narrow minded clueless cunts. You fucking bunch of fucking idiots. Go fuck your selves. Cunts.
     
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    I will wake up tomorrow still being about 25 times smarter than you fucking no surrender sovereignty focused fucking look at me I once fucking shat myself and realised that my macho posturing is actually a pretty naff cover for me being an actual div c**t wankers.
     
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    Fuck off
     
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    Feel better now. Fucking idiots.
     
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    Oh we might all be okay because we once had an empire and that's the important thing. I have never actually been in a war but if I had I would be like John fucking Wayne fucking shooting people and I would be like indestructible because I am John fucking Wayne. I am going to swear again.
     
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    U ok hun?

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    No, I obviously didn’t know about the second one if I thought the first one was still applicable. You are just making things up again.
     
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    7 or 8%?
     
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    As far as I can trace, the second one came out on 12. February. I didn’t know about it at 06:43 on Wednesday 13. February. When did you find out?
     
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    Goes way beyond an opinion. How can we trust a word Jacob says on anything
     
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    He is off his head and a nasty piece of work.
     
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    Yes Astute. When was your link to the final decision? When did you point it out to me that there was a final decision. The first report conclusions were ambiguous and not binding. They were criticised for that.

    The whole discussion is not about whether Selmayr appointment was right or wrong. The claim was that the EU is corrupt and not accountable.

    If the ombudsman‘s report means that Semlmayr is dropped after the EU elections by the new EC, then that proves that it is democratically accountable. The fact that we can follow both sides of the argument shows that the EU is transparent. In this case more So than with May‘s civil service head‘s appointment.

    Not praising the EU, but correcting people like yourself.
     
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    He got applause for pointing out that we invented concentration camps. Used the same excuse for a solution that led to 1 in 4 deaths, largely women and children, that the Nazis used for the hunger in their camps. „There was a war on“. This man is liked by some people on here.
     
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    We never could. Yet some plebs keep lining up to doth the cap and say cheer guv because he repeatedly says brexit will put shoes on people’s feet. What a hero. I’ll be able to take off this cloth my feet are currently bound in because I can’t afford shoes. Yay for brexit, shoes for everyone. What a patronising wanker he is. I’m astounded that so many people buy his act. And it is an act.
     
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    I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the euro obsessive Mr Saunders whose own articles of the 1975 referendum are a convenient re writing of history

    The question was ironic considering the person who made the original comment sucked up to mass murderers and torturers himself only 30 years ago. Mogg was from what I saw was widely applauded and only said what he did because of some rather silly character on his right
     
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    Shocking that you’d even try to stick up and deflect away from him. What next? Justifying his extreme views on abortion?
     
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    It’s the argument that anything is ok so long as they are on our side !!!

    Ffs
     
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    Have you actually heard what he said?
     
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    Massive security here in Munich. I can’t get in to Munich. All roads jammed. 40 heads of state. Mike Pence from USA.
     
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    Bollocks Mart. You know it came.out last year. You said hopefully Selmayr would resign then people could see there would be transparency in the EU. Then I pointed out that it was last year. You then went quiet on the matter for a couple of days. Then you made out that the EU commission was the last word said on the subject again.
     
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    OMG twisting it again I see.

    So are you saying that if Selmayr went it would show transparency in the EU?

    The first report said it was wrong. The EU disagreed. The second report said it was wrong. The EU ignored it again.

    Transparency in the EU? The one thing transparent is it is a waste of time having a watchdog in the EU because when it proves they have done wrong even when in law they ignore the findings and carry on as usual. You also forgot to mention the MEP'S vote on if Selmayr should keep the position he shouldn't have got. Only 15 out of 518 MEP's voted for him to keep the position. And 13 of them are affiliated to Selmayr and Juncker. Yet they even ignored the MEP's.

    And our only say in the EU is through MEP's. This big say in the EU that you constantly tell us that we have. Now you try to deny the truth.
     
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    Yes I did. No I didn’t. No I didn‘t.

    When did you find out about the final decision?
     
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    The first report said it was wrong and then that it possibly even broke the law. That wasn’t binding and was not conclusive that the law had been broken.

    The EC objected to the report and I posted Öttinger‘s objections and „scathing criticism“ of the first report.

    The parliament voted asking for Selmayr‘s resignation. They cannot Sack an employee of the EC, the same as, say, the ERG cannot sack Robins by voting for his resignation. They can put him in the limelight and under pressure. But they cannot force him to resign.

    The second report is conclusive and has found that the law was broken because the „case of urgency“ was contrived.

    It is unlikely Selmayr will go without going before a court ( Arbeitsgericht in German). It is also unlikely that he would be fired before the EU elections and Brexit. He has been in Brexit from the start and they would have to appoint Juncker‘s replacement after the EU elections to go properly through the recommendations of the ombudsman.

    Yes, that is transparent and following proper procedure.

    Now, how was May‘s „loyal lieutenant“ appointed and what procedure is there to assess whether the appointment was correct. All we had for the equivalent position was the excuse of a case of urgency- Brexit - and a bit of moaning from Corbyn.
     
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    He thinks life starts at conception. Do you think a zygote is a living organism?

    Also thinks that rape victims should carry their rapists' babies.
     
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