The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (35 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

So we now get a say in what happens in the EU?

Next you will be saying that we wanted Juncker.

It’s the EIB not the EU and yes we do get a say in the running of the EIB for the reasons you’ve already ignored.

 

[Captain Dart]

I'm looking forward to catching up with this thread tomorrow. In the meantime, I heard a story from a friend back in Sweden who said that anyone that wants to go running in Oskarshamn can get armed police to come with them to protect them from migrants.

I mean, it's perfectly normal for joggers in a developed western country to be accompanied by armed police for their safety isn't it... Stop being bigots!

No doubt the mainstream media won't cover this so people like Tony will be ignorant that things like this are actually happening.

I could probably post some ridiculous shit like this every day, but some people would prefer to keep their head burried in the sand, only to bring it up to shout 'racist' every now and again...

Armed Police To Escort Joggers In Swedish City For Protection

 

[Astute]

They are paying back and our liabilities are decreasing. Problem being our exchange rate if we are paying in Euros or have to meet liabilities in Euros. But you know that.

Wrong again.

We won't receive a penny as usual. They say our liabilities are 75 billion. So our liabilities reduce to 65 billion. But tjat is as now. But they say we have liabilities for nearly another 10 years. Not bad considering we are not allowed to be a member once we leave the EU. This is why our liabilities will constantly go up.
If only it would change with currency rates only :shy:

 

[Astute]

It’s the EIB not the EU and yes we do get a say in the running of the EIB for the reasons you’ve already ignored.

What reasons are they?

So it has nothing to do with the EU?

Lets see if you can get something right on the subject.

 

[Astute]

Armed Police To Escort Joggers In Swedish City For Protection

You should know by now that you are only allowed to mention the good things about the EU and their policies.

 

[chiefdave]

No we won't. We have liabilities of much more than that. We will only start to get money back when the countries that are financially in the shit pay back their loans.

Thought you knew this as you back Barnier on us paying every penny that we owe.......

The called up capital is under £2bn isn't it? The rest is subscribed but uncalled. The likelihood of that all being called is remote and there would be a negotiation to be had that we aren't liable for any further calls on that.

Not sure what Barnier has to do with it, he's not part of the EIB, that will be down to Hoyer.

 

[Grendel]

What reasons are they?

So it has nothing to do with the EU?

Lets see if you can get something right on the subject.

Tony to be fair once thought there was a Welsh branch of the EU commission.

 

[Astute]

The called up capital is under £2bn isn't it? The rest is subscribed but uncalled. The likelihood of that all being called is remote and there would be a negotiation to be had that we aren't liable for any further calls on that.

Not sure what Barnier has to do with it, he's not part of the EIB, that will be down to Hoyer.

That is the foreign aid part.

Barnier wants us to say what we will pay for before we can move onto the important things. The EIB is a part of it. Then at a later date we would find out how much it will cost us.

 

[martcov]

So we now get a say in what happens in the EU?

Next you will be saying that we wanted Juncker.

Juncker 26 for 2 against. It’s called democracy, get over it. We don’t rule the EU. It is not our colony and we don’t have an Empire any more. Other people also have a say.

 

[chiefdave]

"They are surplus weapons from the civil war, it’s not as well established exactly how they’ve come in."
While some immigrants have been behind hand-grenade attacks, Gerell dismisses the argument that immigrants are driving a crime wave
"It’s a bit more complicated than that. In most cases, either the suspect or the victim is associated with a criminal network. In Malmö, crime overall has actually been falling in the past five years."

Edit: was quoting Manne Gerell, criminology researcher at Malmö University.

 

[martcov]

Armed Police To Escort Joggers In Swedish City For Protection

That is where I got my quote from. Read what the policeman said. Nothing much happens here.

Grenade attacks???

FFS desperate stuff from the Breitbart fans.

 

[Astute]

Juncker 26 for 2 against. It’s called democracy, get over it. We don’t rule the EU. It is not our colony and we don’t have an Empire any more. Other people also have a say.

We voted to leave the EU.

It's called democracy. Get over it.

 

[martcov]

Edit: was quoting Manne Gerell, criminology researcher at Malmö University.

I notice Captain Dart is very selective with his news. Obviously missed the increase in acid attacks in London.

 

[Astute]

I notice Captain Dart is very selective with his news. Obviously missed the increase in acid attacks in London.

I'm glad you are not very selective with your news :banghead:

 

[martcov]

We voted to leave the EU.

It's called democracy. Get over it.

Yes, but when Juncker’s term comes to an end we, or rather the EU leaders, can choose someone else. That’s democratic. Can we do that if Brexit screws the country up?

 

[Captain Dart]

Juncker 26 for 2 against. It’s called democracy, get over it. We don’t rule the EU. It is not our colony and we don’t have an Empire any more. Other people also have a say.

No, its called a rigged electoral college.

 

[Captain Dart]

That is where I got my quote from. Read what the policeman said. Nothing much happens here.

Grenade attacks???

FFS desperate stuff from the Breitbart fans.

Lot of police cars being torched too and 50+ no-go districts in the bigger towns and cities.

 

[martcov]

I'm glad you are not very selective with your news :banghead:

I keep having to counter Breitbart, Express and Mail propaganda. If they reported fairly we would all be more knowledgeable.

 

[martcov]

No, its called a rigged electoral college.

By the 2, probably not by the 26.

 

[Captain Dart]

I notice Captain Dart is very selective with his news. Obviously missed the increase in acid attacks in London.

Happy to talk about that and knife crime in London, this there was a huge rise when Khan told police they mustn’t do so much stop & search.
Sadiq Khan: 'I’d do everything in my power to cut stop and search'

 

[Captain Dart]

I keep having to counter Breitbart, Express and Mail propaganda. If they reported fairly we would all be more knowledgeable.

Best tell sweet little lies instead?

 

[skybluetony176]

Just as I thought. If you don't like what they say then it is bullshit. If you can get it to sound good for your point it is 100% the truth.

All the other publications covering the story must be lying too then. It comes to something when you can’t point out that children needing a police escort to school is pretty dreadful without people trying to dilute it. What do you think is happening then? Maybe the local residents are turning out and laying out rose petals every morning for the children to walk on while singing nursery rhymes to them.

The point is when a paper like the Mail covers it there has to be something to it. Despite what you say I say about the Mail I’ve never dismissed a story in the Mail as lies. If you want my opinion on the Mail it’s that the Mail tells you elements of selected truth to put a certain spin on it. No different from most newspapers in that respect but you can’t take it as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You always have to look elsewhere for the details.

For instance when Earlsdon came up with his story I didn’t take it at face value and looked for myself and promptly found the details he didn’t want to disclose such as migrant children needing a police escort to school.

Integration is never smooth. I lived through the 70’s. I remember black and Asian people being stereotyped and blamed for everything and racism being widely accepted. Although there’s still elements of that in our country thankfully it’s been on the decline and integration has widely happened, although some are clearly still struggling with it. Sweden has never gone through this and is learning to integrate. That doesn’t justify attacking school children on the way to school though or any of the issues that come the other way. But for the argument of balance don’t overplay one issue while ignoring another.

 

[chiefdave]

That is the foreign aid part.

Barnier wants us to say what we will pay for before we can move onto the important things. The EIB is a part of it. Then at a later date we would find out how much it will cost us.

What foreign aid are we paying via the EIB?

I don't really see the problem with agreeing the methodology. Its not a simple calculation so surely agreeing the methodology first is sensible.

If that can't be agreed what is the point in moving on to other things?

 

[skybluetony176]

What reasons are they?

So it has nothing to do with the EU?

Lets see if you can get something right on the subject.

You see, you probably think you’re being smart here but just repeatedly ignoring the points made in reality just makes you look stupid.

 

[skybluetony176]

Tony to be fair once thought there was a Welsh branch of the EU commission.

I really didn’t. You two are a good match.

 

[Grendel]

What foreign aid are we paying via the EIB?

I don't really see the problem with agreeing the methodology. Its not a simple calculation so surely agreeing the methodology first is sensible.

If that can't be agreed what is the point in moving on to other things?

But if there is no formula to leave then why agree their methodology at all? If I took a car on HP and the finance company sheepishly can me to me asking for a payment when I handed back I wouldn’t

 

[chiefdave]

But if there is no formula to leave then why agree their methodology at all? If I took a car on HP and the finance company sheepishly can me to me asking for a payment when I handed back I wouldn’t

Not really the same is it as your finance would have a defined end and terms. That doesn't exist for leaving the EU.

We can of course just walk away from our obligations. That's been looked into and it is believed it would stand up legally. Of course we then wouldn't get any of the money due to us from the EU and it would make negotiations on other areas tricky to say the least. Would imagine it would also impact on negotiations with non-EU countries as they would be more wary of us.

That's a different argument IMO. If you're saying we should just stick two fingers up and walk away then fair enough. But if we're agreeing that we should honour our commitments then the discussion has to be around what in the EU's stated position, covered by their positon paper, we don't agree with. We can't do the same for the UK's position as it hasn't been published.

 

[martcov]

Best tell sweet little lies instead?

My name is not Bannon or Alex Jones or his puppet‘s name ( forgot his name, but the U.K. Little Me of Infowars .. is it Watson? ).

 

[Captain Dart]

All the other publications covering the story must be lying too then. It comes to something when you can’t point out that children needing a police escort to school is pretty dreadful without people trying to dilute it. What do you think is happening then? Maybe the local residents are turning out and laying out rose petals every morning for the children to walk on while singing nursery rhymes to them.

The point is when a paper like the Mail covers it there has to be something to it. Despite what you say I say about the Mail I’ve never dismissed a story in the Mail as lies. If you want my opinion on the Mail it’s that the Mail tells you elements of selected truth to put a certain spin on it. No different from most newspapers in that respect but you can’t take it as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You always have to look elsewhere for the details.

For instance when Earlsdon came up with his story I didn’t take it at face value and looked for myself and promptly found the details he didn’t want to disclose such as migrant children needing a police escort to school.

Integration is never smooth. I lived through the 70’s. I remember black and Asian people being stereotyped and blamed for everything and racism being widely accepted. Although there’s still elements of that in our country thankfully it’s been on the decline and integration has widely happened, although some are clearly still struggling with it. Sweden has never gone through this and is learning to integrate. That doesn’t justify attacking school children on the way to school though or any of the issues that come the other way. But for the argument of balance don’t overplay one issue while ignoring another.

So how do you take McDonnell's claim that "big business now trusts Labour more than the government on the economy"
McDonnell says big business sees Labour as government in waiting
I think that statement is a lie.

 

[Astute]

What foreign aid are we paying via the EIB?

I don't really see the problem with agreeing the methodology. Its not a simple calculation so surely agreeing the methodology first is sensible.

If that can't be agreed what is the point in moving on to other things?

They have a method. We say what we will pay for. Then after everything is agreed they come oit with the bill that they have made up. And you think it is right?

 

[Astute]

We were lied to! Secret document FCO 30/1048 kept truth about EU from British for 30 years

But ah it is the Express

 

[Grendel]

My name is not Bannon or Alex Jones or his puppet‘s name ( forgot his name, but the U.K. Little Me of Infowars .. is it Watson? ).

What’s your surname - Merkel?

 

[martcov]

So how do you take McDonnell's claim that "big business now trusts Labour more than the government on the economy"
McDonnell says big business sees Labour as government in waiting
I think that statement is a lie.

I don’t know if it is true, but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me. Apart from nationalisation, Labour could bring growth. Raising the minimum wage, infrastructure projects, investment in education, a cooperative approach to the EU/ Brexit negotiations leading, hopefully, to a good trade deal... transparency, tackling tax avoidance... these are all positive things.

Renationalisation needs to looked at on a pragmatic- not ideological basis. If it makes sense for the country, do it.. If not, leave it as it is.

 

[martcov]

What’s you surname - Merkel?

No.

 

[martcov]

We were lied to! Secret document FCO 30/1048 kept truth about EU from British for 30 years

But ah it is the Express

Exactly.