The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Yes, she doesn’t know what would happen to over 1 million British Citizens living abroad if she cannot satisfy the EU that EU citizens would keep their rights. This after months of talks.

It really is an utter shambles and throwing the lives of hard working tax payers into disarray and uncertainty.

All of the threats and bullshit that she has come out with go to show she doesn't even believe it herself. An utterly inept and dreadful woman. The sooner her and her disastrous government are gone the better.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes, she doesn’t know what would happen to over 1 million British Citizens living abroad if she cannot satisfy the EU that EU citizens would keep their rights. This after months of talks.

Which is an odd one as she’s publicly stated that she’ll guarantee the rights of all UK citizens currently living in the UK. Does this mean that they’ve not committed anything concrete to the EU during negotiations to back this up and we’re trying to bullshit our way out of the EU?

 

[Sick Boy]

Which is an odd one as she’s publicly stated that she’ll guarantee the rights of all UK citizens currently living in the UK. Does this mean that they’ve not committed anything concrete to the EU during negotiations to back this up and we’re trying to bullshit our way out of the EU?

I think that she is referring to a 'no deal' Brexit rather than something negotiated.

 

[Astute]

Do you have evidence of this? I thought that a lot had come from south America in recent years.

Are you saying that most have come from South America and have done for many years. This is why you are right for once?

Fuck me. It is very windy and raining this morning. I blame brexit. Mart must agree like he does with you no matter what you say.

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you saying that most have come from South America and have done for many years. This is why you are right for once?

Fuck me. It is very windy and raining this morning. I blame brexit. Mart must agree like he does with you no matter what you say.

No, I asked you for evidence that most non EU migrants are from the USA and Australia.

 

[Astute]

As regards both sides suffering negative effects, then that shows what Brexit voters have done to millions of people. If they think that would be a win, that would be like having a fight: you break my nose and claim a win and I knock your teeth out and claim a win. We are both bragging about our win and everyone else can see what tossers we actually are.

That is your POV.

I didn't vote leave. But I am not blinded through rage. I can see both sides. Some on here are so blinded by rage that it takes months to get a point across. You need to take a step back and look at it from both sides.

And before this is called out to be bullshit shall we go back to yesterday? How many months have I said about the homeless? The penny finally dropped. It is a disgrace. 3 and a half million homeless. Not just in the thousands. All on small islands that are a part of a massive EU. Small islands that now holds an eighth of the residents of the EU. If Germany's growth rate and the UK growth rate continued we would have the same population as Germany in less than 30 years. And homelessness would still have nothing to do with being in the EU to some.

 

[Astute]

No, I asked you for evidence that most non EU migrants are from the USA and Australia.

Did I say that?

No I didn't. But as always you read something and take out the small parts you want.

 

[Sick Boy]

Did I say that?

No I didn't. But as always you read something and take out the small parts you want.

Hahaha...yes you did.

 

[martcov]

Are you saying that most have come from South America and have done for many years. This is why you are right for once?

Fuck me. It is very windy and raining this morning. I blame brexit. Mart must agree like he does with you no matter what you say.

It’s windy and raining here. Weather must be from Brexit Britain. Although blue sky is now visible. Perhaps Juncker has intervened.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Did anyone listen/ watch Teresa May on LBC today for the first time?

A fantastic interview by Iain Dale at 5pm and very revealing.

Yes, a very revealing interview KoK.

It confirms to anyone who didn’t already realise it, that she is not the person we need as PM to lead us through Brexit. We must have a leader who believes in Brexit and is committed to making it work for the UK. Instead we have a government stuffed with 70% remainers who are reluctantly going through the motions.

Therein lies the problem

 

[Astute]

Yes, she doesn’t know what would happen to over 1 million British Citizens living abroad if she cannot satisfy the EU that EU citizens would keep their rights. This after months of talks.

OMG. More lies.

More like if no deal is done nothing can be guaranteed. Which is correct. If the EU won't make a deal.

What she has said is that if the EU won't make a deal we still might be able to make deals with each country once out of the EU. It is your beloved EU that is being awkward.

 

[martcov]

That is your POV.

I didn't vote leave. But I am not blinded through rage. I can see both sides. Some on here are so blinded by rage that it takes months to get a point across. You need to take a step back and look at it from both sides.

And before this is called out to be bullshit shall we go back to yesterday? How many months have I said about the homeless? The penny finally dropped. It is a disgrace. 3 and a half million homeless. Not just in the thousands. All on small islands that are a part of a massive EU. Small islands that now holds an eighth of the residents of the EU. If Germany's growth rate and the UK growth rate continued we would have the same population as Germany in less than 30 years. And homelessness would still have nothing to do with being in the EU to some.

I slept on people’s couches when I first came to Germany and when I lived in London. I was young and single and enjoyed the fact that I could up and go when I wanted. Never asked for state funding and never thought I was homeless- although I was technically.

 

[Astute]

Yes, a very revealing interview KoK.

It confirms to anyone who didn’t already realise it, that she is not the person we need as PM to lead us through Brexit. We must have a leader who believes in Brexit and is committed to making it work for the UK. Instead we have a government stuffed with 70% remainers who are reluctantly going through the motions.

Therein lies the problem

But it is who we have. Get over it.

I would prefer May easily to someone like Farage and Boris who would froth at the mouth each time the EU postures.

 

[Sick Boy]

But it is who we have. Get over it.

I would prefer May easily to someone like Farage and Boris who would froth at the mouth each time the EU postures.

It's debatable whether or not Johnson actually believes in it himself!!

 

[martcov]

Yes, a very revealing interview KoK.

It confirms to anyone who didn’t already realise it, that she is not the person we need as PM to lead us through Brexit. We must have a leader who believes in Brexit and is committed to making it work for the UK. Instead we have a government stuffed with 70% remainers who are reluctantly going through the motions.

Therein lies the problem

So you want one of the 30% of elected members of a sovereign parliament to ignore the views of the majority of elected representatives and press on with the disaster? I have heard so much about democracy since the referendum, but it appears that democracy stops with a sovereign elected body.

 

[Astute]

I slept on people’s couches when I first came to Germany and when I lived in London. I was young and single and enjoyed the fact that I could up and go when I wanted. Never asked for state funding and never thought I was homeless- although I was technically.

So that makes it OK?

The vast majority don't do it through choice. And I don't like it when people try to make it sound as though it isn't a problem. Millions more people are one bit of bad news away from homelessness. It isn't a joke.

 

[Astute]

It's debatable whether or not Johnson actually believes in it himself!!

Does that mean you would like him to be a negotiator?

 

[Sick Boy]

Does that mean you would like him to be a negotiator?

No, I don't think he should be anywhere in government. He has already had a detrimental effect on negotiations.

 

[Astute]

So you want one of the 30% of elected members of a sovereign parliament to ignore the views of the majority of elected representatives and press on with the disaster? I have heard so much about democracy since the referendum, but it appears that democracy stops with a sovereign elected body.

You want 52% to be ignored.

 

[Astute]

No, I don't think he should be anywhere in government. He has already had a detrimental effect on negotiations.

So you agree with me then.

 

[Astute]

It really is an utter shambles and throwing the lives of hard working tax payers into disarray and uncertainty.

All of the threats and bullshit that she has come out with go to show she doesn't even believe it herself. An utterly inept and dreadful woman. The sooner her and her disastrous government are gone the better.

Would you prefer she went in all guns blazing? You would be the first to have a go if she did. Even if she spoke to the EU like the EU speaks to us.

 

[Sick Boy]

Would you prefer she went in all guns blazing? You would be the first to have a go if she did. Even if she spoke to the EU like the EU speaks to us.

No of course not. Her speeches and rhetoric has been much more aggressive than what the EU has come out with.

 

[Sick Boy]

So you agree with me then.

Yes of course but I'd much rather have Labour negotiating on behalf of the country.

 

[Grendel]

So you want one of the 30% of elected members of a sovereign parliament to ignore the views of the majority of elected representatives and press on with the disaster? I have heard so much about democracy since the referendum, but it appears that democracy stops with a sovereign elected body.

Probably the most idiotic post of the lot. Parliament serve the people and carry out their wishes. You've been sucking up to the EU too long. What you describe is democracy EU style. Namely a handful of representatives decide what the countries want - or more importantly what they want so they can keep their snouts firmly in the eu trough.

 

[Astute]

No of course not. Her speeches and rhetoric has been much more aggressive than what the EU has come out with.

Your absolute bias is showing again.

 

[Astute]

Yes of course but I'd much rather have Labour negotiating on behalf of the country.

Why is that?

It seems all you want is division.

 

[martcov]

OMG. More lies.

More like if no deal is done nothing can be guaranteed. Which is correct. If the EU won't make a deal.

What she has said is that if the EU won't make a deal we still might be able to make deals with each country once out of the EU. It is your beloved EU that is being awkward.

How do you class mutually guaranteeing and continuing existing rights after Brexit for people who were here before Brexit as being awkward? Do you want me to lose my rights because of Brexit?

 

[Astute]

How do you class mutually guaranteeing and continuing existing rights after Brexit for people who were here before Brexit as being awkward? Do you want me to lose my rights because of Brexit?

So are you now saying that the EU are not being awkward?

We wanted to sort out deals for those living in the EU and UK ASAP. It is the EU that has refused to talk about it. Another thing that shows us that they don't care about the residents of the EU. They only care about what they can get out of us.

 

[martcov]

Probably the most idiotic post of the lot. Parliament serve the people and carry out their wishes. You've been sucking up to the EU too long. What you describe is democracy EU style. Namely a handful of representatives decide what the countries want - or more importantly what they want so they can keep their snouts firmly in the eu trough.

Are you referring to the present Conservative Party or our parliamentary democracy as a whole? Both existed long before the EU so you can hardly accuse them of copying or being imposed upon us by the EU. Would that also imply that you want absolutely everything decided by Referendums of voters fed by the gutter press, or are you for the German, and EU parliamentary system of proportional representation?

 

[martcov]

So are you now saying that the EU are not being awkward?

We wanted to sort out deals for those living in the EU and UK ASAP. It is the EU that has refused to talk about it. Another thing that shows us that they don't care about the residents of the EU. They only care about what they can get out of us.

Not true though is it? It is on the list of the 3 most important points which the UK want to bypass.

 

[martcov]

You want 52% to be ignored.

I wanted our sovereign parliament to do its job. If it made the wrong decision we could at least vote it out. They kicked their responsibility on to a relatively uninformed electorate and now millions are going to suffer in some way. We cannot now reverse the decision.

 

[Astute]

Are you referring to the present Conservative Party or our parliamentary democracy as a whole? Both existed long before the EU so you can hardly accuse them of copying or being imposed upon us by the EU. Would that also imply that you want absolutely everything decided by Referendums of voters fed by the gutter press, or are you for the German, and EU parliamentary system of proportional representation?

You are funny.

You want everyone to accept a result where the winner gets a third of the vote but won't accept a result where the majority vote the same.

 

[Astute]

Not true though is it? It is on the list of the 3 most important points which the UK want to bypass.

Is it?

I think you might have forgotten what the truth is.

We wanted to talk about residency. Barnier said no. We have to follow the order he wants.

 

[Astute]

I wanted our sovereign parliament to do its job. If it made the wrong decision we could at least vote it out. They kicked their responsibility on to a relatively uninformed electorate and now millions are going to suffer in some way. We cannot now reverse the decision.

That is your view. It isn't a fact.

 

[Sick Boy]

Why is that?

It seems all you want is division.

I shouldn't need to explain to a fellow Labour voter. All I want what is best for the country and for living standards and public services to improve.

I'm still happy for the Tories to ever own this mess though.