The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

US rounds on Britain over food quotas as post-Brexit trade woes deepen

This is strange, I thought the Commonwealth and the USA were going to offer us favourable and quick and simple trade deals to sign? I though Dr Fox was a nice, honest man?

 

[Astute]

They also give us the cash to pay for social housing. If government choose to use it elsewhere or go for a low tax economy, that's their choice.

So you want higher tax do you? Over 50% are on benefits of some kind. Raise tax and this just gets higher.

 

[Grendel]

US rounds on Britain over food quotas as post-Brexit trade woes deepen

This is strange, I thought the Commonwealth and the USA were going to offer us favourable and quick and simple trade deals to sign? I though Dr Fox was a nice, honest man?

Using politico as a source is about as balanced as North Koreans news service.

 

[Astute]

You are blaming people like my parents and partner for coming to this country and causing a national housing crisis. Don't like it when it's turned round?

I'm sure your pals Duncan-Smith, Gove, and Rees Mogg all have the homeless at the forefront of their minds over Brexit.

Here we go again. So I am blaming your family again.

Is there a housing crisis?

Do you work with the homeless?

Do you moan about paying 1k a month in rent for a 1 bed flat?

 

[Sick Boy]

Here we go again. So I am blaming your family again.

Is there a housing crisis?

Do you work with the homeless?

Do you moan about paying 1k a month in rent for a 1 bed flat?

I don't work with the homeless, I volunteer and do fundraising through my company alongside my current job.

 

[Sick Boy]

Using politico as a source is about as balanced as North Koreans news service.

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It's in the FT as well.

 

[Astute]

US rounds on Britain over food quotas as post-Brexit trade woes deepen

This is strange, I thought the Commonwealth and the USA were going to offer us favourable and quick and simple trade deals to sign? I though Dr Fox was a nice, honest man?

Ah Politico. The Brussels based organisation.

I'm glad you have found something Brussels based that isn't biased when everything in the UK is according to you.

 

[Astute]

I don't work with the homeless, I volunteer and do fundraising through my company alongside my current job.

And why are they homeless?

Do you moan about paying 1k a month rent for a one bed flat?

 

[Sick Boy]

Ah Politico. The Brussels based organisation.

I'm glad you have found something Brussels based that isn't biased when everything in the UK is according to you.

It's in the Financial Times as well. It's also in the Sun.

 

[Sick Boy]

And why are they homeless?

Brighton has long been a magnet for the homeless. It's a mixture of a lot of things but a lot of it is due to running away from family/partner abuse, chronic drug and alcohol addition, mental health issues.

 

[Grendel]

It's in the Financial Times as well. It's also in the Sun.

It's also irrelevant as Europe if its principals are adhered to will act in its members interests and arrange a free trade deal with its biggest trading country.

There's no justification not to is there?

 

[Astute]

It's in the Financial Times as well. It's also in the Sun.

The Sun?

What would you say to anyone who quotes the Sun :smuggrin:

 

[Grendel]

Brighton has long been a magnet for the homeless. It's a mixture of a lot of things but a lot of it is due to running away from family/partner abuse, chronic drug and alcohol addition, mental health issues.

Brighton has one if the highest demographic mixes in the uk

 

[Sick Boy]

It's also irrelevant as Europe if its principals are adhered to will act in its members interests and arrange a free trade deal with its biggest trading country.

There's no justification not to is there?

I've addressed this earlier with KoK about there being reluctant elements on both sides.

 

[Sick Boy]

The Sun?

What would you say to anyone who quotes the Sun :smuggrin:

Well, you quoted the Express yesterday!

 

[martcov]

You try telling people from poorer countries that there are advantages of having their currency tied to strong countries like Germany.

Would you like to name one?

Estonia

 

[Sick Boy]

Brighton has one if the highest demographic mixes in the uk

That is true. I live in Hove and have a Serbian neighbour upstairs and a couple of students downstairs, one from Brazil and her girlfriend from rural Oxfordshire.

 

[Astute]

Brighton has long been a magnet for the homeless. It's a mixture of a lot of things but a lot of it is due to running away from family/partner abuse, chronic drug and alcohol addition, mental health issues.

I know Brighton well. Have been going for over 30 years.

So why is your rent so high and why do you moan about it?

Brightons homeless? It is over most of England.

 

[Grendel]

I've addressed this earlier with KoK about there being reluctant elements on both sides.

Regarding trade there is no reluctance from the uk at all

 

[Astute]

Estonia

Estonia what?

 

[Sick Boy]

Regarding trade there is no reluctance from the uk at all

I beg to differ. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[martcov]

So how many houses could be built each year?

How many years would it take to catch up with the homeless we already have?

How much will our population go up in this time?

You cannot accurately predict population growth. It varies according to economic and political situations. Housing availability may also alter because of baby boomers dying off in 10 years or so. Pensioners are often living in houses that are now too big for them now that the family has left - my mother lives alone in a 3 bedroom house. No wat are we going to move her unless absolutely necessary. You could say that she and people like her are partly to blame, but I do not want her to live in a home as the house is her home. There are also more single households than previously, which means more individual flats/ homes. It is hard to estimate how much and what sort of housing will be needed or become available in the future, but as a general guideline, we need affordable housing which will not necessarily be the target of private developers. They make more out of low volume, but high price developments. There is an argument for more state subsidised development.

 

[Astute]

I beg to differ. Just my opinion, of course.

So who is trying to be difficult?

Yes the EU. They are giving it their best chance on us staying in the EU. Can you imagine how bad it will be for Merkel or whoever follows her if they have to make up what we won't be paying?

 

[martcov]

Estonia what?

Estonia sees the Euro as an advantage for the reasons Grendel gave.

 

[Astute]

You cannot accurately predict population growth. It varies according to economic and political situations. Housing availability may also alter because of baby boomers dying off in 10 years or so. Pensioners are often living in houses that are now too big for them now that the family has left - my mother lives alone in a 3 bedroom house. No wat are we going to move her unless absolutely necessary. You could say that she and people like her are partly to blame, but I do not want her to live in a home as the house is her home. There are also more single households than previously, which means more individual flats/ homes. It is hard to estimate how much and what sort of housing will be needed or become available in the future, but as a general guideline, we need affordable housing which will not necessarily be the target of private developers. They make more out of low volume, but high price developments. There is an argument for more state subsidised development.

We need a lot of large family homes. We need a lot of average size family homes. We need a lot of small family homes. In fact we need a lot of everything.

 

[Grendel]

Estonia sees the Euro as an advantage for the reasons Grendel gave.

And will soon be a huge problem when rates rise

 

[Astute]

Estonia sees the Euro as an advantage for the reasons Grendel gave.

OK. So a country with a population of about 1.4m people is doing well with the Euro. They have had a falling population for years. It is the most literate country in the world.

If only the rest of the EU could copy what is good. Leaving the USSR was good for them.

 

[Sick Boy]

So who is trying to be difficult?

Yes the EU. They are giving it their best chance on us staying in the EU. Can you imagine how bad it will be for Merkel or whoever follows her if they have to make up what we won't be paying?

I clearly said elements on both sides are likely reluctant (but a minority at that).

 

[skybluetony176]

What a load of rubbish.

You have used true facts but filled it out with crap to make it look good.

HMO's are not good. And that is the legal ones. People deserve proper housing. You say that those coming here to work and living in them don't make any difference. Are they never to have a family?

You say that we would still have the same if we were having as many children as the net growth of people coming here to live. These days we do. There has never been as many children born here before.

So you won't face the fact that even if we built houses at record levels it would take many years just to catch up with the homeless we already have. Then add our population going up by about half a million each year.

Why don't you just blame me? I have much more than the 2.4 average.

I never said HMO’s were good but they are a fact of life and they do help alleviate some of the strain on the housing crisis. It’s not like Polish people are turning up and taking a house each exacerbating the housing crisis further is it? And whether you like it or not they are net contributers to the economy and represent tax income. Tax income that’s not being invested in housing to anywhere near the extent that’s needed. That’s not their fault, it’s not even the EU’s fault it’s the failing of successive governments of all the major parties.

Where you being deliberately ironic when you originally asked me the question and stated “without blaming anyone else”? I’ve layed the blame squarely at our own door and you don’t agree with it. Maybe you meant blame everyone else.

The reason it would take many years to catch up is because we have many years to catch up on.

 

[skybluetony176]

It's also irrelevant as Europe if its principals are adhered to will act in its members interests and arrange a free trade deal with its biggest trading country.

There's no justification not to is there?

Ha ha ha. That’s priceless. It’s across several publications of different leanings which if anything makes it balanced. Or in Grendull world, irrelevant. Must remember that line next time you link the FT as fact.

 

[martcov]

So who is trying to be difficult?

Yes the EU. They are giving it their best chance on us staying in the EU. Can you imagine how bad it will be for Merkel or whoever follows her if they have to make up what we won't be paying?

And will soon be a huge problem when rates rise

If rates rise in the Eurozone... there is a good chance, but there are good reasons for holding rates down as long as possible.

 

[martcov]

OK. So a country with a population of about 1.4m people is doing well with the Euro. They have had a falling population for years. It is the most literate country in the world.

If only the rest of the EU could copy what is good. Leaving the USSR was good for them.

Yes, and the EU has made it harder for Putin to destabilise it.

 

[skybluetony176]

Regarding trade there is no reluctance from the uk at all

That’s true. The incompetence of Davies will let every nation walk all over us. The “irrelevant” articles linked this morning point to just that scenario.

 

[Sick Boy]

I know Brighton well. Have been going for over 30 years.

So why is your rent so high and why do you moan about it?

Brightons homeless? It is over most of England.

A lot of people move down from London for work/cheaper life. There are 2 universities, so a lot of the rental accommodation is snapped up by them. A lot of buy to let landlords also own properties here, again due to the high numbers of students.

The quality of rental housing in Brighton & Hove in general is absolutely shocking.

 

[martcov]

We need a lot of large family homes. We need a lot of average size family homes. We need a lot of small family homes. In fact we need a lot of everything.

Yes, but how many of each type? How large is the average family today? How many have large families? How many live in single households? How many houses will become vacant in 10 to 15 years when the baby boomers die? Just saying "everything" doesn't provide a sensible housing projection for future needs. You can safely assume that small size for singles and small families will be in demand for the next few years and that a certain amount will have to be affordable which would mean a return to council subsidised housing to deal with the immediate problems.