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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 20, 2020
  • #48,266
shmmeee said:
Well I’ll just shut up then.
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tbf, I remember thinking at the time I didn't expect that result in 'our' poll. Although it's a wider gap than the country as a whole, this board was a prescient start of worries that the result wouldn't be quite so clear-cut as anticipated. If only government strategists had kept their ear closer to the ground, eh...
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2020
  • #48,267
This sounds horrendous- multiple VAT registrations, loss of business, time to complete complicated paperwork, extra shipping costs & duties, more fees to pay. Amazon know this is going to be a disastrous crash out and aren't waiting around for any 'agreements' which they know won't happen.

Amazon

sellercentral-europe.amazon.com
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2020
  • #48,268
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbf, I remember thinking at the time I didn't expect that result in 'our' poll. Although it's a wider gap than the country as a whole, this board was a prescient start of worries that the result wouldn't be quite so clear-cut as anticipated. If only government strategists had kept their ear closer to the ground, eh...
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I knew when I found out I was the only person I knew apart from the ex wife voting Remain...
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2020
  • #48,269
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2020
  • #48,270
It’s fine guys.... Raab is sorting out a deal with Liechtenstein.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,271

Now Britain faces a £160billion EU loans bill AFTER Brexit

BRITAIN is facing a £160billion EU loans bill after Brexit — four times the size of the “divorce” settlement. Boris Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement keeps the UK hooked to payments issued by EU agenc…
www.thesun.co.uk
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,272
wingy said:

Now Britain faces a £160billion EU loans bill AFTER Brexit

BRITAIN is facing a £160billion EU loans bill after Brexit — four times the size of the “divorce” settlement. Boris Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement keeps the UK hooked to payments issued by EU agenc…
www.thesun.co.uk
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Senior Tories have demanded the PM reopen the Withdrawal Agreement to remove Britain’s liability, giving a “clean break” from Brussels by December 31 when the transition period ends.
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How would that work then? The EU aren't going to agree to reopening the withdrawal agreement so we can remove €160bn liability.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,273
IDK mate?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,274
Come on guys, the world revolves around England, I’m sure they’ll easily give in just like they did because people in the UK buy BMWs and holiday in Spain.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,275
chiefdave said:
How would that work then? The EU aren't going to agree to reopening the withdrawal agreement so we can remove €160bn liability.
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This the withdrawal agreement Boris signed in the first place, right?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,276
shmmeee said:
This the withdrawal agreement Boris signed in the first place, right?
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Maybe he was right in the first place when he addressed the DUP conference saying no British PM would sign the withdrawal bill he ended up signing.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,277
shmmeee said:
This the withdrawal agreement Boris signed in the first place, right?
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Be fair, according to IDS it was 'buried in the fine print, unnoticed by many', how can you expect them to spot minor things like having to pay €160bn?
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 3, 2020
  • #48,278
chiefdave said:
Be fair, according to IDS it was 'buried in the fine print, unnoticed by many', how can you expect them to spot minor things like having to pay €160bn?
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As in the 10cc song Mandy it's hiding in the small print.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2020
  • #48,279
chiefdave said:
Be fair, according to IDS it was 'buried in the fine print, unnoticed by many', how can you expect them to spot minor things like having to pay €160bn?
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So many things about that statement infuriate me.

Isn't it the job of ministers and their staff/lawyers to go through the fine print? If they haven't then they've not done their job and the money paid to them should be retrieved and put towards this huge bill their lackadaisical approach has lumped us with.

Secondly, if it was unnoticed by 'many' it means it was noticed by some. If that's the case why the hell didn't they mention it? Or perhaps they did and the government didn't consider it worthy of acting upon. If that's so why didn't those people that noticed it make sure the info got leaked so it couldn't be ignored?

And finally it just shows that those of us who felt Brexit wouldn't be a success was because we didn't have the people to make a decent fight of our corner were right all along.

Everything is a shitshow from start to finish,
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2020
  • #48,280
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So many things about that statement infuriate me.

Isn't it the job of ministers and their staff/lawyers to go through the fine print? If they haven't then they've not done their job and the money paid to them should be retrieved and put towards this huge bill their lackadaisical approach has lumped us with.

Secondly, if it was unnoticed by 'many' it means it was noticed by some. If that's the case why the hell didn't they mention it? Or perhaps they did and the government didn't consider it worthy of acting upon. If that's so why didn't those people that noticed it make sure the info got leaked so it couldn't be ignored?

And finally it just shows that those of us who felt Brexit wouldn't be a success was because we didn't have the people to make a decent fight of our corner were right all along.

Everything is a shitshow from start to finish,
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No one on here argued that. It was all about why we shouldn't leave and how the world would end. It wasn't about who wouldn't make a decent fist of it. Nice try at claiming to be the expert on this piece of fiction.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2020
  • #48,281
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
No one on here argued that. It was all about why we shouldn't leave and how the world would end. It wasn't about who wouldn't make a decent fist of it. Nice try at claiming to be the expert on this piece of fiction.
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Plenty of people argued that even if they agreed with Brexit in principle our chances of a successful trade negotiations were poor. I recall posting several sarcy comments about how well get buttfucked by the bigger countries/trading blocks myself.

Pathetic attempt to rewrite history so you don’t have to hear obvious criticism of your religion.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 4, 2020
  • #48,282
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
No one on here argued that. It was all about why we shouldn't leave and how the world would end. It wasn't about who wouldn't make a decent fist of it. Nice try at claiming to be the expert on this piece of fiction.
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There were a few that were total apocalypse, just as there were some who felt the EU was the cause of all our ills and being free of it would automatically create a new utopia.

A lot of the things people seemed to expect would occur regarding immigration were likely to have little effect because the powers they felt the country needed we already had and just didn't use, plus the people they complained about most were non-EU citizens. I did, and continue to have, reservations regarding how this increases the likelihood of future conflict in Europe.

For many it was will we be better in or out? Pretty much all of that would depend on what kind of new arrangement we'd come to with Europe and other nations for trade. I, and many others, felt that we'd be far weaker and not have as good negotiators independently than as part of the bloc. Tell me where so far that assessment has been wrong?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 4, 2020
  • #48,283
Project fear is project here.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 4, 2020
  • #48,284
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,285
David O'Day said:
Why argue with him?

He's never once been right on anything ever
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That's rich. Extremely.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,286
skybluetony176 said:
Project fear is project here.
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Its great to see the hysteria persists.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,287
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Its great to see the hysteria persists.
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You’re right but not for the reason you think you are.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,288

EU eyes softening key state aid demand in Brexit talks - sources

The European Union is willing to compromise to rescue troubled Brexit talks by softening its demand that Britain heed EU rules on state aid in the future, diplomatic sources told Reuters.
uk.mobile.reuters.com
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,289
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Its great to see the hysteria persists.
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Wow. You're literally discussing an actual thing that has happened and still think it's hysteria!

We actually signed up to a shit deal because it was rushed through and we didn't have the expertise to notice it, you understand that right? That's not a hypothetical, that's actually happened.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,290
shmmeee said:
Wow. You're literally discussing an actual thing that has happened and still think it's hysteria!

We actually signed up to a shit deal because it was rushed through and we didn't have the expertise to notice it, you understand that right? That's not a hypothetical, that's actually happened.
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and people are concentrating on IDS and others rushing it through and now bemoaning the fact it wasn't scrutinised but in addition to that is the fact that it was also an attempt to sideline Parliament yet wasn't parliamentary sovereignty one of the big selling points of Brexit?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,291
shmmeee said:
Wow. You're literally discussing an actual thing that has happened and still think it's hysteria!

We actually signed up to a shit deal because it was rushed through and we didn't have the expertise to notice it, you understand that right? That's not a hypothetical, that's actually happened.
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Which is exactly why he’s right, there is hysteria. It’s just him and others in denial about the reality of Brexit are the ones being hysterical. It isn’t even a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. As you point out.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,292
skybluetony176 said:
Which is exactly why he’s right, there is hysteria. It’s just him and others in denial about the reality of Brexit are the ones being hysterical. It isn’t even a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. As you point out.
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Naaaah. It's you and your mates who keep picking at the scab all the time. It's just going to eat away at you. You can't just leave it alone .
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,293
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Naaaah. It's you and your mates who keep picking at the scab all the time. It's just going to eat away at you. You can't just leave it alone .
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Do you accept that we signed a shit Withdrawal Agreement? If so, why do you think that happened?
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,294
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Naaaah. It's you and your mates who keep picking at the scab all the time. It's just going to eat away at you. You can't just leave it alone .
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On what planet is Ian Duncan Smith a mate of remainers?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 5, 2020
  • #48,295
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Naaaah. It's you and your mates who keep picking at the scab all the time. It's just going to eat away at you. You can't just leave it alone .
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It was arch brexiteer Ian Smith who picked this scab. You’re so hysterical you seemed to have missed that. The nearest I’m coming to hysteria is hysterically laughing at you and others. You’re getting the Brexit you voted for, enjoy it. I’m certainly going to enjoy laughing at you.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #48,296
skybluetony176 said:
It was arch brexiteer Ian Smith who picked this scab. You’re so hysterical you seemed to have missed that. The nearest I’m coming to hysteria is hysterically laughing at you and others. You’re getting the Brexit you voted for, enjoy it. I’m certainly going to enjoy laughing at you.
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Hahahaha. Let's hear it then ....
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #48,297
skybluetony176 said:
Which is exactly why he’s right, there is hysteria. It’s just him and others in denial about the reality of Brexit are the ones being hysterical. It isn’t even a matter of opinion, it’s a matter of fact. As you point out.
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How on earth will you cope ?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #48,298
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
How on earth will you cope ?
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With a hearty belly laugh at your expense while you’re trying to invent a new bogey man to replace the last one when brexit turns out to be a pile of shit about as far away from the utopia sold as is humanly possible.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #48,299

Brexit: Government pledges £355m to ease GB-NI trade - BBC News

Ministers set up a new service to help businesses which want to import goods after 1 January.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #48,300
wingy said:

Brexit: Government pledges £355m to ease GB-NI trade - BBC News

Ministers set up a new service to help businesses which want to import goods after 1 January.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Trade barriers within the U.K. #projectfear
 
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