The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

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    37.1%
  2. Leave

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    56.5%
  3. Undecided

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

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    1.6%
  1. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    He was always going to bring a deal back - it’s a very predictable action - you could say well done Johnson for actually properly trying to play all his cards rather than put the ace in bin before talks started
     
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    In your opinion, what is his ace?
     
  3. Grendel

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    The leave card with no deal as an option. I’m sure you said at the start he’d repackage the old deal
     
  4. Sick Boy

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    Yes, I thought he would end up repackaging it, it will be interesting if he sticks ot his word and expels those who vote against it from the party.
     
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    Glad he's trying to get a good new deal that doesn't tie us to the EU forever!
     
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    May didn’t put it in the bin either. Her stance from the start was always these are my redlines and no deal is better than a bad deal.
     
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    How do you know he isn't? Are you one of his aides/advisors?
     
  8. Grendel

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    Yeah she did. Her public statement was a sound byte - negotiators have confirmed it was never an option when the deal was discussed
     
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    So are you suggesting that David Davis turned up on day one of negotiations and said to his EU counterparts I know we’re saying that no deal is better than a bad deal but don’t believe it?
     
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    I’m only repeating the words used by those who’ve publicly said as much who were there. Believe what you want. Your attempts at wumming and point scoring are becoming tiresome
     
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    This is why there is no point panicking now...just like there wasn't 2yrs ago. Everything goes down to the wire with EU negotiations.

    I disagree on "the end"...Bojo has been clear on that from the start...31st October. Of course that doesn't mean he will not ask for an extension, especially if significant progress is made.

    As far as truthful goes, none of them are. The EU wouldn't entertain any change to WA initially, now look at them! A deal is in sight by the looks. The final deal will resemble the WA as first put quite closely, but even Juncker has wavered on the Backstop so it is a case (as always) of watch this space. And not believing everything (or better still anything) we are told in the media in anything but small measure.

    Celebrating???

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    I think you are wrong. He wanted no deal as a final option...a weapon.

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    Literally, so all the remoaners passing the bill have weakened our hand in negotiations
     
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    So do you believe that DavidDavis turned up on day one of negotiations and said to his EU counterparts I know we’re saying that no deal is better than a bad deal but don’t believe it?

    It’s a straight yes or no question.
     
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    I’m from now on ignoring the little boy at the back of the class squealing for attention

    There are plenty of adults on here prepared for a sensible argument and not just trying to gain a few likes of their intellectual betters - bye Tony
     
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    Moron
     
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    The morons are the ones who have weakened our hand
     
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    How do you class sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la la la as adult behaviour?
     
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    That depends on his true intentions. Which non of us know yet.
     
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    His intentions have been known, as he has always said he wants to get a new deal
     
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    Honest Boris, who can truly be classed as a liar.

    The morons are people who can't think for themselves but use vacuous soundbytes with no real understanding.
     
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    Please. This is Boris we’re talking about. You have to remember who his backers are and how these disaster capitalist are set to benefit from a chaotic no deal. I suspect parliament forcing him to negotiate was never part of the plan and now Boris is going to have to be judged on something tangible.
     
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    I don't think the Backstop will be wavered, I think it will repackaged, essentially.
     
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    Or maybe it’s those that think the EU negotiations are like an episode of the Apprentice.
     
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    Dude.
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    Will we invade Ireland using his £15 billion bridge?
     
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    Going by his 'think positive' mantra he's probably going with 'Love Can Build A Bridge' as his next one.
     
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    Speaking of positive thinking, from 'Action for Brexit':

     
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    Demanding clean air = communist.
     
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    I'd love an air conditioned classroom, never had one
     
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    Doubt it

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    I don’t think either of my kids schools have air conditioning. It’s just the usual bollocks from these groups.
     
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    At the end of the day - this generation of kids is the one that really needs to & can do an awful lot to change the future of the planet. Just takes more than a few million in the UK to affect the kind of change to make the necessary difference though according to "the experts"

    BUT - properly implemented such mass behaviours can be orchestrated. Apparently many of the Japanese attending world cup rugby matches have learned the words of the nations involved in each game...just for goodwill & good atmosphere. They sang the Russian anthem as well as their own today so it is reckoned!

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    Why do you put experts in inverted commas? The science on this can be understood by any teenager and it’s incredible that even now there are sceptics not least the Irritating Orange.
     
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    How does it rate as an idea compared to:

    Offering pork pies to Trump for a trade deal

    Comparing Muslims to letterboxes and burglars

    Suspending Parliament for longer so nothing can get passed and telling porkies to the Queen in the process

    Buying a massive water cannon

    Building a bridge to France

    Writing articles for and against the EU before making a political calculation

    And many more
     

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