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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,531
djr8369 said:
So you admit now that the alternative arrangements might not work? And it would only be in the customs union which was fine by most people during the campaign for the referendum.

Alternatively wait for technology to offer a solution or keep NI in the CU and put the border at see, which was also discussed and changed, by us (a concession).


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Are you sure about the customs union? That would make it difficult at best to make trade deals with anyone else.
 

Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,532
djr8369 said:
It highlights the errors in your post and as usual you just ignore it and try and skirt around it.

You never answer any of my questions.

I try my best to answer yours but this one makes no sense. Are you asking why leavers didn’t vote for Mays deal?


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So yet again questions don't get answered by yourself. Because the only truthful answer doesn't go with the point that you are trying to make.
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,533
Astute said:
Are you sure about the customs union? That would make it difficult at best to make trade deals with anyone else.
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As it was discussed in earnest I assume it would be achievable. I assume just a case of the none CU nations making trade agreements without NI involved. Long term might lead to a united Ireland but keeping the whole union together is looking extremely unlikely anyway.


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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,534
Astute said:
So yet again questions don't get answered by yourself. Because the only truthful answer doesn't go with the point that you are trying to make.
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If you look back through our post you’ll find it’s you who often doesn’t answer questions. I fact you’ve just done it when I’ve asked you to clarify what your question is.


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Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,535
djr8369 said:
As it was discussed in earnest I assume it would be achievable. I assume just a case of the none CU nations making trade agreements without NI involved. Long term might lead to a united Ireland but keeping the whole union together is looking extremely unlikely anyway.


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Is the Guardian good enough for you?

Customs union Q&A: what is it and can the UK manage without it?
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,536
djr8369 said:
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Here’s me answering a question to you yesterday Astute.


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Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,537
djr8369 said:
If you look back through our post you’ll find it’s you who often doesn’t answer questions. I fact you’ve just done it when I’ve asked you to clarify what your question is.


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My question was very clear. And I have answered just about every question. The problem is that you don't like the answers but know I am correct.
 

Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,538
djr8369 said:
Here’s me answering a question to you yesterday Astute.


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That says it all :smuggrin::emoji_see_no_evil:
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,539
Astute said:
That says it all :smuggrin::emoji_see_no_evil:
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Did you actually read the post linked?


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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,540
Astute said:
Is the Guardian good enough for you?

Customs union Q&A: what is it and can the UK manage without it?
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What point are you trying to make?


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Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,541
djr8369 said:
Did you actually read the post linked?


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Sent from your iphone?
 

Astute

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,542
djr8369 said:
What point are you trying to make?


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You said it would be achievable to make trade deals if we joined the customs union. The Guardian says different.
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,543
Astute said:
You said it would be achievable to make trade deals if we joined the customs union. The Guardian says different.
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Nope. I said if NI effectively stayed in the customs union but the other countries left then presumably the other countries could make trade deals, as this was the original plan until the previous government got the concession to move the border from the sea so they could be seen as keeping the union together.


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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,544
Astute said:
That says it all :smuggrin::emoji_see_no_evil:
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,545
Grendel said:
No timescale on the backstop is there?
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But if the easiest trade deal in history because the Germans still want to sell us cars and the french cheese happens as per the promises of all involved in campaigning for brexit happens (official and otherwise, I'll also point out that the PM repeated this again in his recent leadership campaign) then the no timescale is irrelevant. Unless of course they were lying to us during them campaigns.

It's looking more and more like the brexit campaigns were a Trojan horse to get a no deal brexit.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,546
RegTheDonk said:
Best let him call a GE then.
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Why? He made his bed he can lie in it.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,547
Deleted member 5849 said:
More times than Ken Clarke and Phillip Hammond did, put together.
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Apparently Winston Churchill nephew has voted against the party 3 times in his entire 37 year career as a Tory MP. Some of the people cheering this have done that more in the last 12 months.
 
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lifeskyblue

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,548
I see Jacob Rees Mogg has rebelled against the Tory whip almost 100 times in nine years. He was rewarded by being appointed Leader of the House of Commons.

Whilst David Gauke has never rebelled against the Tory whip in 14 years until last night. He was rewarded with expulsion from the Tory party.




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shmmeee

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,549
RegTheDonk said:
Best let him call a GE then.
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No one is stopping him. Every opposition party is in favour once the no deal bill goes through.

Do you guys like get a text with the bullshit, easily disprovable line to take each day?
 
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lifeskyblue

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,550
This from The Canary made me smile

Rees-Mogg (verb): to slump, at first gently, then sharply, to a position of utter uselessness.




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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,551
lifeskyblue said:
This from The Canary made me smile

Rees-Mogg (verb): to slump, at first gently, then sharply, to a position of utter uselessness.




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I don’t think this image will endear him to the common man whose side he has tried to pretend he’s on.


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shmmeee

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,552
lifeskyblue said:
I see Jacob Rees Mogg has rebelled against the Tory whip almost 100 times in nine years. He was rewarded by being appointed Leader of the House of Commons.

Whilst David Gauke has never rebelled against the Tory whip in 14 years until last night. He was rewarded with expulsion from the Tory party.




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The hypocrisy is hilarious. Michael Howard on R4 this morning was all “if you vote against the governments major policy of the day, you should be kicked out”.

You mean like Johnson and Rees-Mogg did against Mays withdrawal agreement?
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,553
No Deal Brexit could lead to months of chaos and public disorder | Daily Mail Online

Remainer rag the Daily Mail reporting in damage of no deal.


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lifeskyblue

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,554
djr8369 said:
I don’t think this image will endear him to the common man whose side he has tried to pretend he’s on.


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Absolutely. Nothing speaks more of privilege and entitlement than an image like that.
The trouble with Jacob Rees-Smug is he has always confused an expensive education with being clever and better than others.


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RegTheDonk

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,555
skybluetony176 said:
Why? He made his bed he can lie in it.
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Confused. You whine that he will blame others for the impass .... but are happy to deny a way forward for him?
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,556
shmmeee said:
The hypocrisy is hilarious. Michael Howard on R4 this morning was all “if you vote against the governments major policy of the day, you should be kicked out”.

You mean like Johnson and Rees-Mogg did against Mays withdrawal agreement?
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The point is mate they were told specifically if they voted for this they would be kicked out. They had the choice. I don't blame them if they feel strongly, but that was the consequence.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,557
RegTheDonk said:
Confused. You whine that he will blame others for the impass .... but are happy to deny a way forward for him?
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His way forward is to blame others? Denying him that is not denying him a way forward. He’s the leader, lead.
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,558
skybluetony176 said:
But if the easiest trade deal in history because the Germans still want to sell us cars and the french cheese happens as per the promises of all involved in campaigning for brexit happens (official and otherwise, I'll also point out that the PM repeated this again in his recent leadership campaign) then the no timescale is irrelevant. Unless of course they were lying to us during them campaigns.

It's looking more and more like the brexit campaigns were a Trojan horse to get a no deal brexit.
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Er it was a comment on the backstop issue - why are you even commenting on my post when you have no contribution of note to make?
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,559
shmmeee said:
No one is stopping him. Every opposition party is in favour once the no deal bill goes through.

Do you guys like get a text with the bullshit, easily disprovable line to take each day?
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The no deal bill going through first is a side show. The election can be called and if the Tories won they could pass legislation the next day to reverse it
 
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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,560
lifeskyblue said:
Absolutely. Nothing speaks more of privilege and entitlement than an image like that.
The trouble with Jacob Rees-Smug is he has always confused an expensive education with being clever and better than others.


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Putting him on the front bench is going to expose him. Some of the quotes from his speech were ridiculous. Over use of alliteration and pomposity that make him look absurd.


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RegTheDonk

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,561
shmmeee said:
No one is stopping him. Every opposition party is in favour once the no deal bill goes through.

Do you guys like get a text with the bullshit, easily disprovable line to take each day?
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lol ... this GE could be the closest thing to a "people's vote" that many have been wishing for. It also could be an ideal way to test the public's appetite for a "no deal". So why not do it now?

skybluetony176 said:
His way forward is to blame others? Denying him that is not denying him a way forward. He’s the leader, lead.
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Well call his bluff then? Give him the chance to lead a majority or fuck things up for himself. What are the remoaners scared off, thought the current trend was to remain?
 

lifeskyblue

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,562
djr8369 said:
Putting him on the front bench is going to expose him. Some of the quotes from his speech were ridiculous. Over use of alliteration and pomposity that make him look absurd.


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Exactly the same criticisms of over verbose language and pomposity were made about his recent book on Great Victorians. Actual historians ripped him apart.


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djr8369

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,563
lifeskyblue said:
Exactly the same criticisms of over verbose language and pomposity were made about his recent book on Great Victorians. Actual historians ripped him apart.


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Yes the reviews were hilarious.


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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,564
Grendel said:
Er it was a comment on the backstop issue - why are you even commenting on my post when you have no contribution of note to make?
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A trade deal and bilateral agreements made in the transitional period will make the backstop irrelevant. The leave campaign campaigned (official and unofficial) on the premise that all this would fall in our lap. If you fail to acknowledge that then the only person not contributing to your post is you.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 4, 2019
  • #40,565
RegTheDonk said:
Well call his bluff then?
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They have. Last night. He’s the leader and he has to take the onus.
 
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