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higgs

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #36
According to a lot of people on here as mcnulty didn't start scoring until after Christmas they think Chaplin will be the same so we shouldn't need any new strikers in January then


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Dickie

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #37
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Scored three today so no good to us that’s half a seasons quota
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14 for the season so far. Not bad before Christmas. Although if we did get him Robins would probably play him on the wing
 
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steve82

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #38
Dickie said:
14 for the season so far. Not bad before Christmas. Although if we did get him Robins would probably play him on the wing
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Here’s another.... who’s your choice out of the current squad to play on the left to good effect?


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Dickie

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #39
steve82 said:
Here’s another.... who’s your choice out of the current squad to play on the left to good effect?


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Well Jordys done okay there but is fading, like to see Allasani given a go...
 
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steve82

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #40
Dickie said:
Well Jordys done okay there but is fading, like to see Allasani given a go...
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Fair play, he really is the last roll of the dice for the huge issue that’s plaguing us down the left hand side.

I’ve reservations over him doing anything more than what we’ve seen this year.


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harvey098

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #41
We really miss biamou. He linked play so well and JCH doesn’t do that and doesn’t score either.

It’s even more frustrating because I think our defence is as good as it should be for this standard but barring Luke Thomas our midfield and strikers are way off.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #42
Hiwula and Bakayoko need a chance to step up. The current combination is not even close to working.

If the above doesn't work then we need to recycle or send them out on loan. Ponticelli can also be recalled too, and before people start laughing, I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest Chaplin is any better than him.

Some card suffling needs to be done in January as a matter of urgency, that also means strengthening the other midfield portions too.

Too many players not up for it this season.
 
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Lord_Nampil

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #43
The problem we have is we have no one who can hold the ball up, ie missing max who did that last season, bringing the best out of Mcnulty, Bayliss and Shipley at the same time! JCH wins balls but does t hold it up, meaning if we don’t win the second ball we loose the ball and it comes straight back. Although I like JCH it’s clear Chaplin was brought in to play off Max but by the time he came in max was injuried for the season and the windows shut. Chaplin can’t play off JCH, we have gathered that now, and spends near enough all game with his back to goal and chasing the ball. With him doing that means we carry him as it doesn’t help the team, and when he does get the ball his confidence is so low it’s bormally a poor first touch. With the injuries to Jonas and the none return of Andreu added to Baka being out for 2 months sending Poticelli out on loan hasn’t worked for all 3 parties involved.

January can’t come soon enough we need a max replacement, recall of Potticelli and maybe another wide player! Though with Bayliss being none productive and Andreu being out we need another player to make things happen, that is another issue with the strikers no service or wrong decisions in the 18 yard box that mean the strikers feed off scraps!
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #44
harvey098 said:
We really miss biamou. He linked play so well and JCH doesn’t do that and doesn’t score either.

It’s even more frustrating because I think our defence is as good as it should be for this standard but barring Luke Thomas our midfield and strikers are way off.
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We don’t miss Biamou at all. There are no stats to justify what you say.

The only real reason we pushed on last season was the injury to jones which forced robins to alter his shape and style.

Bayliss came in and made an instant impact. He ran through defences and opened up space for the forwards - especially mcnulty. We only lost 3 of the league / play off games he played in. He was by far the biggest impact on the clubs upturn in fortunes.

He hasn’t manage to adapt to the higher level yet and as a result we are not creating.

Strikers aren’t receiving balls to feet as the midfield is not capable and it’s aimless high balls to chase.

Fans will use rope to hang some players but really extend it for others.

Those who say Chaplin will come good, needs a new striker to build around him etc what are they basing that on?

He’s no Armstrong who’d run behind defences from long balls via Fleck and use sheer pace. He has actually a surprising lack of pace. He’s no mcnulty either as he doesn’t create space on the penalty area and from what we’ve seen his finishing can be erratic.

To sign a development player for the fee everyone suggests we paid you’d struggle to see a return on that unless something really changes.
 
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Fergusons_Beard

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #45
To those who want the donkey Shockley at our club take a long hard look back at the play off final.

Was nowhere to be seen.

There’s a reason he’s still at Exeter because he’s just not a footballer.

It isn’t a striker we need.

It’s pace-been saying it for forever. We need players who (like Thomas) scare the bejesus out of defenders by their sheer speed.

Can always get you out of trouble and suits Robins counter attacking (defensive) mentality.

What we don’t need is a non-mobile, snail-speed, mammoth with a turn circle like the Ark Royal...


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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #46
Fergusons_Beard said:
To those who want the donkey Shockley at our club take a long hard look back at the play off final.

Was nowhere to be seen.

There’s a reason he’s still at Exeter because he’s just not a footballer.

It isn’t a striker we need.

It’s pace-been saying it for forever. We need players who (like Thomas) scare the bejesus out of defenders by their sheer speed.

Can always get you out of trouble and suits Robins counter attacking (defensive) mentality.

What we don’t need is a non-mobile, snail-speed, mammoth with a turn circle like the Ark Royal...


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At least he put himself about. Jch is doing nothing but rolling about and Chaplin is hiding.

I'd put money on him doing better than what we currently have but like you say we need pace to feed them.

We put hiwula on yesterday and he ran at them, so when we saw it worked we took Thomas off.

We should have thrown more pace on from the bench the first time their defenders started backing off.

Hiwula in the middle running, Thomas right and allisanni left.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #47
Fergusons_Beard said:
To those who want the donkey Shockley at our club take a long hard look back at the play off final.

Was nowhere to be seen.

There’s a reason he’s still at Exeter because he’s just not a footballer.

It isn’t a striker we need.

It’s pace-been saying it for forever. We need players who (like Thomas) scare the bejesus out of defenders by their sheer speed.

Can always get you out of trouble and suits Robins counter attacking (defensive) mentality.

What we don’t need is a non-mobile, snail-speed, mammoth with a turn circle like the Ark Royal...


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Agreed.
 
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4waspsting

Active Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #48
The one problem is we have the ingredients but the Cook cannot put them together... poorly prepared.... only dishes up beans on toast
 
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Magwitch

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #49
Grendel is right, we can talk about new strikers until the cows come home but without creativity and there was none yesterday you struggle, cap that with the reluctance to shoot, goalie didn’t have a save to make yesterday you’ll always struggle. Our defence was basically okay but they can’t hold out for ever
 

steve82

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #50
A few seeing the bigger picture here, midfield is the bigger issue, just. Creativity notably. Yes strikers are not hitting the back of the net enough but we’re measuring them on 6 - 8 shots a game across the side.

Look at yesterday 6 shots, 2 on target, one blocked shot and 3 off target. We’re measuring strikers on 2 chances a game. Premiership strikers don’t give you that return.

Now when strikers are getting these 1v1 chances it’s like a defender racing in on goal with them thinking I must score and snatching. The eyes light up and confidence is not there.

Give them better service first and then see what happens.


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Nick

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #51
steve82 said:
A few seeing the bigger picture here, midfield is the bigger issue, just. Creativity notably. Yes strikers are not hitting the back of the net enough but we’re measuring them on 6 - 8 shots a game across the side.

Look at yesterday 6 shots, 2 on target, one blocked shot and 3 off target. We’re measuring strikers on 2 chances a game. Premiership strikers don’t give you that return.

Now when strikers are getting these 1v1 chances it’s like a defender racing in on goal with them thinking I must score and snatching. The eyes light up and confidence is not there.

Give them better service first and then see what happens.


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It will probably help when they actually play up front. How's anybody going to set Chaplin up when he is in line with their midfield
 
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steve82

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #52
Nick said:
It will probably help when they actually play up front. How's anybody going to set Chaplin up when he is in line with their midfield
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Personally I think it’s because we’re trying to make a target man out of JCH. Now we’re all clear this isn’t happening and the ball don’t stick so we’re asking him to find crumbs in between the lines. A natural target man and a left sided winger and Thomas on the other I personally feel will push us up the pitch being a greater issue to our opponents.

At the minute we’re to easy and predictable to keep out

Or we just aim to get natural wingers in and play JCH as a forward facing striker with Hiwula. Use Chaplin as a sub and get that target man in the summer to compliment Chaplin.



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Forever_Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #53
Nick said:
You could probably make jch fall over by pushing Chaplin over.

Thing is, we are going to need to sell to start throwing that money about.

We are handing over 500k for Chaplin!
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More money to be wasted by Robins.
 

Forever_Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #54
Nick said:
Who are we going to sell in Jan to get more?

We will have spent about 750k on strikers. Can't just say "no they are shit" and just bring more in. That's not how it works, sadly
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Managers always try this one when they’ve ran out of ideas, sign more players. When it’s quite clearly the manager that’s the problem.
 

Otis

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #55
Forever_Blue said:
More money to be wasted by Robins.
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Not sure that's entirely fair and it's not always that simple.

As Clive Eakin quite succinctly put it yesterday, sometimes signings come off and sometimes they don't. It doesn't necessarily mean the players are poor players. Sometimes it's just not the right fit and a player can do well at one club and not at all at another.

And besides, Robins has hardly let us down before has he.

I think we all thought Ogogo was going to be a good signing for us and there are so many we have signed that we expected more from.

I would trust Robins to right any wrongs in January if he gets the chance.
 
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steve82

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #56
Forever_Blue said:
More money to be wasted by Robins.
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Easy to look back and suggest it’s wasted, not every signing comes off immediately.
Some players go on to click around other players or they just are not the right fit. This is L1 and we don’t have the capabilities to cherry pick players to compliment each other. It takes time and a building process.


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Forever_Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #57
Otis said:
Not sure that's entirely fair and it's not always that simple.

As Clive Eakin quite succinctly put it yesterday, sometimes signings come off and sometimes they don't. It doesn't necessarily mean the players are poor players. Sometimes it's just not the right fit and a player can do well at one club and not at all at another.

And besides, Robins has hardly let us down before has he.

I think we all thought Ogogo was going to be a good signing for us and there are so many we have signed that we expected more from.

I would trust Robins to right any wrongs in January if he gets the chance.
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I’m afraid he’s got too many signings wrong this year for me, none that have improved the team, but I’m starting to think they may do better under a new manager. Just look at Man Utd and Southampton, new manager + same players = better results.
 

Otis

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #58
Playing players in their right positions helps too.
 
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Warwickhunt

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #59
Nick said:
At least he put himself about. Jch is doing nothing but rolling about and Chaplin is hiding.

I'd put money on him doing better than what we currently have but like you say we need pace to feed them.

We put hiwula on yesterday and he ran at them, so when we saw it worked we took Thomas off.

We should have thrown more pace on from the bench the first time their defenders started backing off.

Hiwula in the middle running, Thomas right and allisanni left.
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he took Thomas off because he was attacking and leaving holes behind him! MR is a frightened manager who will not try to win a game with intensive attacking play
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #60
Proves it when he said after Grimmer had scored that worldy goal at Wembly if "he had not scored i would have fined him as he should not have been there"!
 

Forever_Blue

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #61
Warwickhunt said:
Proves it when he said after Grimmer had scored that worldy goal at Wembly if "he had not scored i would have fined him as he should not have been there"!
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He’s not the right man to take us forward, you’ll see.
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #62
Saw this on twitter from Ben Mayhew, well worth a follow btw. Between a front 4 of JCH, Chaplin, Bayliss and Thomas we average less than a goal a game.
 
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Garryb80

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #63
Forever_Blue said:
I’m afraid he’s got too many signings wrong this year for me, none that have improved the team, but I’m starting to think they may do better under a new manager. Just look at Man Utd and Southampton, new manager + same players = better results.
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Ipswich scunthorpe notts county
. Same scenario all doing just as bad.
 
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #64
Lord_Nampil said:
The problem we have is we have no one who can hold the ball up, ie missing max who did that last season, bringing the best out of Mcnulty, Bayliss and Shipley at the same time! JCH wins balls but does t hold it up, meaning if we don’t win the second ball we loose the ball and it comes straight back. Although I like JCH it’s clear Chaplin was brought in to play off Max but by the time he came in max was injuried for the season and the windows shut. Chaplin can’t play off JCH, we have gathered that now, and spends near enough all game with his back to goal and chasing the ball. With him doing that means we carry him as it doesn’t help the team, and when he does get the ball his confidence is so low it’s bormally a poor first touch. With the injuries to Jonas and the none return of Andreu added to Baka being out for 2 months sending Poticelli out on loan hasn’t worked for all 3 parties involved.

January can’t come soon enough we need a max replacement, recall of Potticelli and maybe another wide player! Though with Bayliss being none productive and Andreu being out we need another player to make things happen, that is another issue with the strikers no service or wrong decisions in the 18 yard box that mean the strikers feed off scraps!
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Lord Nampil. Agree with every word of this. Like most of us ignore Grendel - once in every 50 posts he gets lucky and posts something that is vaguely reasonable. The other 49 posts are dedicated to criticism of Biamou despite all the evidence of how vital Bianou was in our charge to Wembley last season.
 

DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #65
Grendel said:
We don’t miss Biamou at all. There are no stats to justify what you say.

The only real reason we pushed on last season was the injury to jones which forced robins to alter his shape and style.

Bayliss came in and made an instant impact. He ran through defences and opened up space for the forwards - especially mcnulty. We only lost 3 of the league / play off games he played in. He was by far the biggest impact on the clubs upturn in fortunes.

He hasn’t manage to adapt to the higher level yet and as a result we are not creating.

Strikers aren’t receiving balls to feet as the midfield is not capable and it’s aimless high balls to chase.

Fans will use rope to hang some players but really extend it for others.

Those who say Chaplin will come good, needs a new striker to build around him etc what are they basing that on?

He’s no Armstrong who’d run behind defences from long balls via Fleck and use sheer pace. He has actually a surprising lack of pace. He’s no mcnulty either as he doesn’t create space on the penalty area and from what we’ve seen his finishing can be erratic.

To sign a development player for the fee everyone suggests we paid you’d struggle to see a return on that unless something really changes.
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DannyThomas_1981

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #66
‘The only reason we pushed on last season was the injury to Jones which caused Robins to change the formation’

Idiot. Just when I thought you couldn’t outdo yourself.

Jones was the best player in L2 pre-injury never mind our team. He was tearing defences apart and winning games on his own.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #67
DannyThomas_1981 said:
‘The only reason we pushed on last season was the injury to Jones which caused Robins to change the formation’

Idiot. Just when I thought you couldn’t outdo yourself.

Jones was the best player in L2 pre-injury never mind our team. He was tearing defences apart and winning games on his own.
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Sorry? We’d won 2 of the last 7 jones played in. Mcnulty scored 3 league goals (inc the Grimsby fluke) up to the point he was injured.

From the introduction of Bayliss he scored 20 goals.
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #68
Grendel said:
Sorry? We’d won 2 of the last 7 jones played in. Mcnulty scored 3 league goals (inc the Grimsby fluke) up to the point he was injured.

From the introduction of Bayliss he scored 20 goals.
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McNulty did well because he had a foil in Biamou who did the hard graft up front to free up space for him.

Bayliss has been found out as a player and has not adjusted one bit to L1.

Unfortunately the recruitment this summer has been truely awful. McNulty money has been wasted. I doubt much funds will be released for Robins in this window.
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #69
AFCCOVENTRY said:
McNulty did well because he had a foil in Biamou who did the hard graft up front to free up space for him.

Bayliss has been found out as a player and has not adjusted one bit to L1.

Unfortunately the recruitment this summer has been truely awful. McNulty money has been wasted. I doubt much funds will be released for Robins in this window.
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Biamou played in 15 of the games with Jones in which mcnulty scored 2 goals.
 

Old Warwickshire lad

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #70
Biamou improved massively as the season progressed. JCH is getting worse each game. When I watched Kevin Kyle I thought I had seen the worst striker I would ever see,JCH is making me question that view.
 
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