Stockdale/Burge

Discussion in 'Coventry City General Chat' started by pastythegreat, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. NorthernWisdom

    NorthernWisdom Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2013
    Messages:
    18,158
    Likes Received:
    13,821
    Credit:
    £1,522.84
    One of the main criticisms of Mowbray was pursuing unrealistic targets, and ending up with nothing. Would be... unfortunate to encourage a repeat of that.
     
  2. letsallsingtogether

    letsallsingtogether Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2012
    Messages:
    12,876
    Likes Received:
    3,365
    Location:
    coventry
    Credit:
    £1,062.93
    But I'm not obsessed the thing is I don't see it like you.

    I dont agree with Blaming one player when we lose.
    So he makes a mistake it is his fault because our strikers have missed 2 sitters we lose 1-0. Thing is every week people say he should have saved that no keeper can save everything.
    So he makes 5 good kicks in a game people only remember the 2 shit ones has done.

    People go on about defenders having confidence in the keeper, what a load of bollocks should have confidence in themselves.
    Thing is we can't afford better hope I'm wrong but I've seen what we have in reserve and it ain't any better.
    Just my opinion.
     
  3. letsallsingtogether

    letsallsingtogether Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2012
    Messages:
    12,876
    Likes Received:
    3,365
    Location:
    coventry
    Credit:
    £1,062.93
    Why would they not sure where they stand but can they afford to do that?
     
  4. pastythegreat

    pastythegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,533
    Likes Received:
    1,756
    Credit:
    £1,178.55
    What? That he was shit at catching crosses??

    Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk
     
  5. Nick

    Nick Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    97,532
    Likes Received:
    33,580
    Location:
    Coventry
    Credit:
    £8,653.01
    It's fact that defenders have confidence in the keeper.

    When has he ever done 5 good kicks in a game? By good do you mean basic or ones like Stockdale putting players through?
     
  6. Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit

    Spurs 'City Away Kit' Kit Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2018
    Messages:
    145
    Likes Received:
    56
    Credit:
    £154.50
    Bob Wilson?
     
    Adge and Grendel like this.
  7. ps1948

    ps1948 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2011
    Messages:
    458
    Likes Received:
    171
    Location:
    Kenilworth
    Credit:
    £177.47
    On the back of the above argument/discussion, I've just watched the highlights of all 27 League games in which Burge has played so far this season.
    He's had 4 clean sheets, and conceded a total of 33 goals.

    Of those, I would place him totally at blame for just 1 - the first Walsall goal, with the 2nd at Bristol Rovers also one that I think he could/should have saved. Of course there are also others where he "could have done better", but that is often taking something away from the goal scorer, and there are several where the defence have let him down badly.

    The highlights also included a number of saves which earned points (most notably against Sunderland), and also illustrated the number of great chances we have missed which could have been translated into extra points - even the Walsall clanger would have been irrelevant if we had taken any of the 3 clear chances we missed before that happened.

    At our level, I would expect most keepers to make a few mistakes per season, and Burge is far from the worst keeper in our League.

    That said, I would love to see a keeper of Stockdale's quality coming here and taking over, but I just can't see it. Quite apart from the obvious drop in his money - however much that would be - I'm sure there would be Championship clubs who would be a more attractive option for him, for a couple of seasons deal, which would trump whatever we could offer.
     
    Mucca Mad Boys and ccfchoi87 like this.
  8. riyadhskyblue

    riyadhskyblue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2014
    Messages:
    1,585
    Likes Received:
    1,870
    Location:
    Riyadh
    Credit:
    £588.57
    He wasn't third choice when he signed his contract. He is entitled to sit on his contract to the last day.
    You don't know what has gone on, Birmingham may have made all sorts of offers to get him off their books.
    Their number one, Lee Camp is on a much much lower salary apparently.
     
  9. Mucca Mad Boys

    Mucca Mad Boys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    6,804
    Likes Received:
    1,481
    Location:
    Coventry
    Credit:
    £1,052.86
    That’s a pretty fair assessment, Burge has been pretty good this season. Made a lot more point-saving saves than clangers.

    As for Stockdale, you’d expect him to be a lot better than Burge. Has played in the Prem and helped Brighton to promotion with 137 appearances. Most of his career has been spent at a higher level, and at 33, still has a few years left. Ironically, Stockdale has actually made the most mistakes of all Championship GKs in the last 4 seasons (13) so to get hyped after one league game against Rochdale is a bit much.

    I don’t really care much for Burge, but he’s unfairly treated by a lot of Cov fans — it’s something he just has to deal with.
     
  10. HuckerbyDublinWhelan

    HuckerbyDublinWhelan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    906
    Likes Received:
    699
    Credit:
    £850.45
    But that’s the thing, Stockdale just did the basics right. You’ve got to think how bad Burge is for something like that to impress the fans.

    Burge has improved but he’s a back up for a top league one side at best
     
  11. GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

    GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    860
    Likes Received:
    804
    Location:
    Stratford Upon Avon
    Credit:
    £804.64
    Scott is a friend of a friend. No real reason for his fall from grace other than managers opting for their other choices at key times. That might have been a show of his poor form or poor training, but I wouldn’t know. He left Watford having been ousted by Kuszcak, then went to Ipswich where he was swiftly left to just Cup ties by Gerken. Moved to Rotherham and didn’t get on with Evans at all, so that was a disaster. He then took a drop down to league 2 and similar problems followed where he played number 2 to Adam Collin. I remember joking to my mate around that time we could do with him at cov and he had hinted there had been at least a discussion. Apparently he’s on £1,500 a week at Hartlepool which surprised me as I thought it would be less for a keeper at that level. I don’t think he would be a bad punt if Burge is off, from the sound of things he’s still as motivated as ever to return up the ladder


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  12. riyadhskyblue

    riyadhskyblue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2014
    Messages:
    1,585
    Likes Received:
    1,870
    Location:
    Riyadh
    Credit:
    £588.57
    So now the conversation has moved on to a non league keeper with little pedigree and an iffy record at best in place of Burge? You couldn't make it up.
    The world record fee goalkeeper let in 6 goals yesterday. He must be shit.
     
  13. pastythegreat

    pastythegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,533
    Likes Received:
    1,756
    Credit:
    £1,178.55
    This is it. He wouldn't get a sniff at the likes of Luton or Pompey or Sunderland. Teams that are pushing for autos. And if were serious about promotion next year then we 110% need to address the situation.

    Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk
     
  14. HuckerbyDublinWhelan

    HuckerbyDublinWhelan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2016
    Messages:
    906
    Likes Received:
    699
    Credit:
    £850.45
    Burge's whole career is iffy at best. Scott Loach was a decent keeper and was at a good level. Although you have to question his fall from grace.

    Its not the fact that he concedes goals, it's his kicking, his command of his area, the less than confident control of the ball. Can you honestly tell me you feel confident when the ball goes near him - I can tell you now, he never has filled me with confidence
     
    cloughie and standupforcity like this.
  15. Nick

    Nick Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    97,532
    Likes Received:
    33,580
    Location:
    Coventry
    Credit:
    £8,653.01
    His fall could well be attitude based judging by the posts in here. Don't know him but it may be that more than ability.
     
  16. Mucca Mad Boys

    Mucca Mad Boys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    6,804
    Likes Received:
    1,481
    Location:
    Coventry
    Credit:
    £1,052.86
    Burge is playing two leagues above Scott Loach, right? He probably isn’t that good.

    I don’t mind Burge as a GK, has made a lot more good, point-saving saves than clangers over the last two seasons. He’s out of contract in the summer so we’ll see if he stays or not. Personally, I’m unsure if we could do that much better. Someone like Stockdale is in big money and has played most of his career as a top-end Championship to Premiership level GK. If someone like that who was affordable and available, then you’d be stupid to say no. I highly doubt Stockdale will be an affordable target for us.
     
    ps1948 and NorthernWisdom like this.
  17. PVA

    PVA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    2,248
    Likes Received:
    639
    Credit:
    £499.94
    The anti-Burge stuff is ridiculous.

    He's a good keeper at this level. Not brilliant, but not bad. Some would have you believe he's the worst keeper to play for ccfc and should be playing non league yet here he is seemingly on the verge of a move to the championship.

    As others have said in this thread, he hasn't been at fault for much this season and has kept us in plenty of games. Yes he's made a few mistakes or dropped a few crosses. So what. The defenders have made mistakes too. The midfielders have misplaced plenty of passes. The forwards have missed shit load of chances.

    Burge is not someone to point the finger at this season and say we'd be much higher in the league with someone better. We wouldn't. The strikers have clearly been the main issue this season, not the keeper.

    If Burge put in that performance on Saturday, as he has a number of times this season, no one would would mention it or give him much credit.
     
  18. standupforcity

    standupforcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    Messages:
    1,788
    Likes Received:
    791
    Location:
    London
    Credit:
    £234.51
    Burge! Command of the area 5/10 Kicking 2/10 Instills confidence 4/10 Shot stopping 7/10 Decision making 3/10 Ball handling 4/10 Distribution 3/10
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2019
    cloughie and skybluepm2 like this.
  19. Mucca Mad Boys

    Mucca Mad Boys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2012
    Messages:
    6,804
    Likes Received:
    1,481
    Location:
    Coventry
    Credit:
    £1,052.86
    The chances Bakayoko, JCH, Chaplin, Hiwula and even Thomas has missed far outstrip any mistake Burge has made. The case and point being Walsall away in the league. Even Gillingham at home, Bakayoko misses a really good chances moments before the we concede the penalty.

    If we can sort out our finishing, we make up the gap to the playoffs. That’s something to take into next season.
     
  20. Nick

    Nick Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2008
    Messages:
    97,532
    Likes Received:
    33,580
    Location:
    Coventry
    Credit:
    £8,653.01
    Really? If Burge took a ball out of the air and instantly put one of our players through with an accurate kick people would be cheering like it was a goal.
     
    pastythegreat and covcity4life like this.
  21. Warwickhunt

    Warwickhunt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2012
    Messages:
    2,584
    Likes Received:
    748
    Credit:
    £297.98
    What would we do then if by some miracle we got promotion to the Championship this year? we would have to start paying higher wages! if CCFC could garner more support during he season then we could probably pay more
     
  22. covcity4life

    covcity4life Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2010
    Messages:
    23,657
    Likes Received:
    7,865
    Credit:
    £3,316.32
    lol the burge lovers with egg in their face throwing tantrums
     
  23. Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

    Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    929
    Likes Received:
    761
    Credit:
    £405.00
    People should be banned from calling in CWR if they haven't watched the game. I do like Clive & Stuart's commentary but there's no way you can form a justified opinion from it. It's like saying I didn't go the game but I checked the match updates/commentary on the Sky Sports News App.
     
  24. Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

    Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2011
    Messages:
    929
    Likes Received:
    761
    Credit:
    £405.00
    The other solution is to do what Bolton did with Chris Doidge. Take him on loan and promise to pay for him in January - then when January comes, sorry someone's nicked our money.
    We could have Eisa and Collins upfront....well for 4 months anyway!
     
  25. Terry Gibson's perm

    Terry Gibson's perm Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2014
    Messages:
    11,236
    Likes Received:
    3,967
    Location:
    Nuneaton
    Credit:
    £1,301.39

    My cheering would be too late as I would have to come round from passing out first, he is more likely to kick it off the pitch than to a player
     
    BigadamL likes this.
  26. GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

    GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    860
    Likes Received:
    804
    Location:
    Stratford Upon Avon
    Credit:
    £804.64
    A) I was just answering a question mentioned. B) Playing 154 games in the Championship/Premier League & being in an England squad isn't little pedigree.
     
  27. NorthernWisdom

    NorthernWisdom Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2013
    Messages:
    18,158
    Likes Received:
    13,821
    Credit:
    £1,522.84
    It's a bit of a tangent ;) but FWIW I always liked Loach as a keeper. Wouldn't have a clue as to his current abilities though. That's where we'd need good scouts!

    (That's a fair old salary for Hartlepool, given they nearly went bust last year!)
     
    GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee likes this.
  28. BigadamL

    BigadamL Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2011
    Messages:
    465
    Likes Received:
    137
    Credit:
    £208.28
    if Burge didnt misjudge the flight of a cross i would cheer like we had just scored!!
     
  29. BigadamL

    BigadamL Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2011
    Messages:
    465
    Likes Received:
    137
    Credit:
    £208.28
    getting all flustered just thinking about Burge catching a cross
     
  30. GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

    GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    860
    Likes Received:
    804
    Location:
    Stratford Upon Avon
    Credit:
    £804.64
    That's fair. What I meant was, I wasn't slating Burge in the slightest, nor did I mean to incline I wanted Burge to leave.
     
  31. NorthernWisdom

    NorthernWisdom Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2013
    Messages:
    18,158
    Likes Received:
    13,821
    Credit:
    £1,522.84
    Yup, no problem with that. FWIW I was just digressing a bit as I was bored of the old Burge argument, and wanted to chat about something else before actually sitting down to do this here real work I keep hearing about ;)
     
  32. riyadhskyblue

    riyadhskyblue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2014
    Messages:
    1,585
    Likes Received:
    1,870
    Location:
    Riyadh
    Credit:
    £588.57
    I was talking about Scott Loach not Stockdale who has a decent pedigree.
     
  33. riyadhskyblue

    riyadhskyblue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2014
    Messages:
    1,585
    Likes Received:
    1,870
    Location:
    Riyadh
    Credit:
    £588.57
    But that would mean not boycotting wouldn't it?
     
  34. pastythegreat

    pastythegreat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,533
    Likes Received:
    1,756
    Credit:
    £1,178.55
    Boycott W***s instead. #BWI

    Sent from my SM-G955F using Tapatalk
     
  35. GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

    GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    860
    Likes Received:
    804
    Location:
    Stratford Upon Avon
    Credit:
    £804.64
    Yes. That applies to Scott Loach. He has a better pedigree than Stockdale.
     

Share This Page