Southport Stabbing (11 Viewers)

[pusbccfc]

The figures and reasons for that are interesting

Is knife crime at a record high?

In order to address knife crime effectively, we need to understand the full extent of the problem. View our latest stats, & Toolkit evidence.

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Yep, was going to post something similar.

Lots of crime statistics have gone up because we are reporting crime differently. I can report a crime online now and it would be added to statistics.

 

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[Marty]

There's some good books on criminality in the UK and how violent society has always been. So how far are you going back as you can trace this all the way back to the 19th and maybe 18th centuries.

What would you recommend?

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Well it has to meet this criteria:

The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

You just described it as 'random' - by definition that means it is not terrorism.

Perhaps he got on the wrong train and started stabbing everyone. Do you not think this was pre planned?

 

[David O'Day]

You can't answer can you Mr IRA

Why would I when it has already been answered?

But once again "The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause." ok

 

[David O'Day]

Yep, was going to post something similar.

Lots of crime statistics have gone up because we are reporting crime differently. I can report a crime online now and it would be added to statistics.

There is social reasons but the "knife crime" stats are actually "knife enabled crime" stats

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Why would I when it has already been answered?

But once again "The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause." ok

Let's wait for the facts then

 

[PVA]

Perhaps he got on the wrong train and started stabbing everyone. Do you not think this was pre planned?

Whether it was pre planned or random has no bearing on whether it's terrorism or not.

The definition is right there! If you don't agree with it that's fine, but it's not a case of the police trying to cover it up or because they have some sort of agenda or something.

 

[David O'Day]

Perhaps he got on the wrong train and started stabbing everyone. Do you not think this was pre planned?

There is nothing in his post that says it wasn't pre planned.

 

[Grendel]

Yep, was going to post something similar.

Lots of crime statistics have gone up because we are reporting crime differently. I can report a crime online now and it would be added to statistics.

Actually many other crime statistics have gone down…crime is falling

 

[David O'Day]

Whether it was pre planned or random has no bearing on whether it's terrorism or not.

The definition is right there! If you don't agree with it that's fine, but it's not a case of the police trying to cover it up or because they have some sort of agenda or something.

just ignore him, he's a old man raging at the world he doesn't understand and wishing for one that never existed.

 

[SBT]

Quite astonishing how quickly we’ve gone from “the UK and Europe are gone” to “let’s wait for the facts” in the space of one police press conference.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Does it? It happened on a train it wasn’t even going to Huntingdon

It appears so yes

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Both born in the UK. So nothing to do with a recent influx of immigrants as many were suggesting earlier.

Non white though so fulfils the necessary narrative

 

[Ccfcisparks]

The figures and reasons for that are interesting

Is knife crime at a record high?

In order to address knife crime effectively, we need to understand the full extent of the problem. View our latest stats, & Toolkit evidence.

youthendowmentfund.org.uk

Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

just ignore him, he's a old man raging at the world he doesn't understand and wishing for one that never existed.

You don't know how old I am, we could be the same age. You don't think people have a right to be outraged as to what's going on. Call me racist if you must

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But I thought the problem was immigration?

So what's the answer, deport everyone with foreign parents, even those born in the UK?

Yes

 

[Grendel]

Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008

Welk there aren’t any homocides from today so that’s a really smart thing to say

 

[pusbccfc]

Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008

Are you two agreeing with each other?

 

[Grendel]

Are you two agreeing with each other?

it’s not even factually accurate according to Statisca not that especially relevant

 

[PVA]

You don't know how old I am, we could be the same age. You don't think people have a right to be outraged as to what's going on. Call me racist if you must

Everyone is outraged by this attack, why wouldn't they be.

 

[David O'Day]

You don't know how old I am, we could be the same age. You don't think people have a right to be outraged as to what's going on. Call me racist if you must

Judging by things you have posted etc about games you have been to etc you are older than me.

No one said you can't be outraged but shite like saying the police are covering up terrorism is batshit and worrying.

Have a nice life.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Non white though so fulfils the necessary narrative

Lee Rigby killers UK born
Southport killers UK born
7/7 bombers UK born
Manchester Arena bombers UK born
London Bridge attack UK born
Westminster Attack UK born.

 

[David O'Day]

Everyone is outraged by this attack, why wouldn't they be.

just leave it with him, everyone it their right mind is outraged

 

[Ccfcisparks]

it’s not even factually accurate according to Statisca not that especially relevant

i’ll find the article for you big dog

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

Judging by things you have posted etc about games you have been to etc you are older than me.

No one said you can't be outraged but shite like saying the police are covering up terrorism is batshit and worrying.

Have a nice life.

Let's wait until it all comes out eh. Nobody knows the full details yet.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yes

I was being facetious
The leader of the opposition would be deported in those times

 

[David O'Day]

Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008

knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.

glad we are on the same page for once

 

[DT-R]

Any news on what colour they are?

Not white! If they were white/British, it would've been announced immediately to "stop racial tensions arising" so the fact they've not announced anything yet suggests to me they're clearly middle Eastern, more than likely been given leave to stay recently.

But the same old people will come along and call me racist and say that we cant jump to conclusions.

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[Ccfcisparks]

Not white! If they were white/British, it would've been announced immediately to "stop racial tensions arising" so the fact they've not announced anything yet suggests to me they're clearly middle Eastern, more than likely been given leave to stay recently.

But the same old people will come along and call me racist and say that we cant jump to conclusions.

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They are black british.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.

Not after this week they havnt

 

[Grendel]

knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.

are they?

England and Wales knife homicides 2024| Statista

In 2023/24 there were 262 homicides involving a knife or other sharp instrument in England and Wales, compared with 243 in the previous reporting year.

www.statista.com

 

[David O'Day]

Not white! If they were white/British, it would've been announced immediately to "stop racial tensions arising" so the fact they've not announced anything yet suggests to me they're clearly middle Eastern, more than likely been given leave to stay recently.

But the same old people will come along and call me racist and say that we cant jump to conclusions.

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They've said they were black and british mate

 

[DT-R]

But they have haven’t they? Its illegal to carry a knife in public.
Stop and search would definitely help reduce the kids doing it but wont stop someone hellbent on killing innocent people.
Armed police everywhere is one answer but do we really need to go down that route?

Yes its illegal to carry knives, but you cant ban them. ie, you cant just walk in to Asda Living and buy an AK47, but can buy a knife block with 5 deadly weapons inside as long as you can prove youre over 18.
You cant go in to your mums kitchen draw and pull out a browning 9mm, but can easily pick up a chefs knife.
You cant ban the sale of knives, meaning theyre always gonna be readily available to use. You cant stop and search EVERY person just because theyre brown, or young, or [enter other stereotypes here], and therefore not going to stop these kind of things happening more and more.

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[Saddlebrains]

20 years ago there was loads of vitriol against the Polish coming over to work and how it was destroying British culture etc.

Was there?

I recall different, no one gave a shit because they worked and paid tax