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  • Start date Jul 29, 2024
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pusbccfc

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  • Yesterday at 11:31 AM
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David O'Day said:
The figures and reasons for that are interesting

Is knife crime at a record high?

In order to address knife crime effectively, we need to understand the full extent of the problem. View our latest stats, & Toolkit evidence.
youthendowmentfund.org.uk
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Yep, was going to post something similar.

Lots of crime statistics have gone up because we are reporting crime differently. I can report a crime online now and it would be added to statistics.
 

Marty

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  • Yesterday at 11:31 AM
  • #4,272
David O'Day said:
There's some good books on criminality in the UK and how violent society has always been. So how far are you going back as you can trace this all the way back to the 19th and maybe 18th centuries.
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What would you recommend?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 11:32 AM
  • #4,273
PVA said:
Well it has to meet this criteria:

The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

You just described it as 'random' - by definition that means it is not terrorism.
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Perhaps he got on the wrong train and started stabbing everyone. Do you not think this was pre planned?
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:32 AM
  • #4,274
Gynnsthetonic said:
You can't answer can you Mr IRA
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Why would I when it has already been answered?

But once again "The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause." ok
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:33 AM
  • #4,275
pusbccfc said:
Yep, was going to post something similar.

Lots of crime statistics have gone up because we are reporting crime differently. I can report a crime online now and it would be added to statistics.
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There is social reasons but the "knife crime" stats are actually "knife enabled crime" stats
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 11:33 AM
  • #4,276
David O'Day said:
Why would I when it has already been answered?

But once again "The use or threat must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause." ok
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Let's wait for the facts then
 
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PVA

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  • Yesterday at 11:33 AM
  • #4,277
Gynnsthetonic said:
Perhaps he got on the wrong train and started stabbing everyone. Do you not think this was pre planned?
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Whether it was pre planned or random has no bearing on whether it's terrorism or not.

The definition is right there! If you don't agree with it that's fine, but it's not a case of the police trying to cover it up or because they have some sort of agenda or something.
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:34 AM
  • #4,278
Gynnsthetonic said:
Perhaps he got on the wrong train and started stabbing everyone. Do you not think this was pre planned?
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There is nothing in his post that says it wasn't pre planned.
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:34 AM
  • #4,279
pusbccfc said:
Yep, was going to post something similar.

Lots of crime statistics have gone up because we are reporting crime differently. I can report a crime online now and it would be added to statistics.
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Actually many other crime statistics have gone down…crime is falling
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:35 AM
  • #4,280
PVA said:
Whether it was pre planned or random has no bearing on whether it's terrorism or not.

The definition is right there! If you don't agree with it that's fine, but it's not a case of the police trying to cover it up or because they have some sort of agenda or something.
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just ignore him, he's a old man raging at the world he doesn't understand and wishing for one that never existed.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 11:36 AM
  • #4,281
Quite astonishing how quickly we’ve gone from “the UK and Europe are gone” to “let’s wait for the facts” in the space of one police press conference.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 11:36 AM
  • #4,282
Grendel said:
Does it? It happened on a train it wasn’t even going to Huntingdon
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It appears so yes
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 11:37 AM
  • #4,283
PVA said:
Both born in the UK. So nothing to do with a recent influx of immigrants as many were suggesting earlier.
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Non white though so fulfils the necessary narrative
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:37 AM
  • #4,284
David O'Day said:
The figures and reasons for that are interesting

Is knife crime at a record high?

In order to address knife crime effectively, we need to understand the full extent of the problem. View our latest stats, & Toolkit evidence.
youthendowmentfund.org.uk
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Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 11:38 AM
  • #4,285
David O'Day said:
just ignore him, he's a old man raging at the world he doesn't understand and wishing for one that never existed.
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You don't know how old I am, we could be the same age. You don't think people have a right to be outraged as to what's going on. Call me racist if you must
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 11:38 AM
  • #4,286
PVA said:
But I thought the problem was immigration?

So what's the answer, deport everyone with foreign parents, even those born in the UK?
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Yes
 
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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:38 AM
  • #4,287
Ccfcisparks said:
Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008
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Welk there aren’t any homocides from today so that’s a really smart thing to say
 

pusbccfc

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  • Yesterday at 11:39 AM
  • #4,288
Ccfcisparks said:
Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008
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Are you two agreeing with each other?
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 AM
  • #4,289
pusbccfc said:
Are you two agreeing with each other?
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it’s not even factually accurate according to Statisca not that especially relevant
 
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PVA

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 AM
  • #4,290
Gynnsthetonic said:
You don't know how old I am, we could be the same age. You don't think people have a right to be outraged as to what's going on. Call me racist if you must
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Everyone is outraged by this attack, why wouldn't they be.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 AM
  • #4,291
Gynnsthetonic said:
You don't know how old I am, we could be the same age. You don't think people have a right to be outraged as to what's going on. Call me racist if you must
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Judging by things you have posted etc about games you have been to etc you are older than me.

No one said you can't be outraged but shite like saying the police are covering up terrorism is batshit and worrying.

Have a nice life.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 AM
  • #4,292
Sky Blue Pete said:
Non white though so fulfils the necessary narrative
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Lee Rigby killers UK born
Southport killers UK born
7/7 bombers UK born
Manchester Arena bombers UK born
London Bridge attack UK born
Westminster Attack UK born.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:42 AM
  • #4,293
PVA said:
Everyone is outraged by this attack, why wouldn't they be.
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just leave it with him, everyone it their right mind is outraged
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:44 AM
  • #4,294
Grendel said:
it’s not even factually accurate according to Statisca not that especially relevant
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i’ll find the article for you big dog
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 11:45 AM
  • #4,295
David O'Day said:
Judging by things you have posted etc about games you have been to etc you are older than me.

No one said you can't be outraged but shite like saying the police are covering up terrorism is batshit and worrying.

Have a nice life.
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Let's wait until it all comes out eh. Nobody knows the full details yet.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Yesterday at 11:45 AM
  • #4,296
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yes
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I was being facetious
The leader of the opposition would be deported in those times
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:46 AM
  • #4,297
Ccfcisparks said:
Yep i actually read that Knife homicides we’re down from what they were in 2008
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knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:48 AM
  • #4,298
David O'Day said:
knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.
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glad we are on the same page for once
 
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DT-R

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  • Yesterday at 11:51 AM
  • #4,299
Ccfcisparks said:
Any news on what colour they are?
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Not white! If they were white/British, it would've been announced immediately to "stop racial tensions arising" so the fact they've not announced anything yet suggests to me they're clearly middle Eastern, more than likely been given leave to stay recently.

But the same old people will come along and call me racist and say that we cant jump to conclusions.

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Ccfcisparks

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  • Yesterday at 11:51 AM
  • #4,300
DT-R said:
Not white! If they were white/British, it would've been announced immediately to "stop racial tensions arising" so the fact they've not announced anything yet suggests to me they're clearly middle Eastern, more than likely been given leave to stay recently.

But the same old people will come along and call me racist and say that we cant jump to conclusions.

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They are black british.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Yesterday at 11:55 AM
  • #4,301
David O'Day said:
knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.
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Not after this week they havnt
 
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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 11:57 AM
  • #4,302
David O'Day said:
knife related homicides are trending in a downward direction and so are knife related hospital admissions.
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are they?

England and Wales knife homicides 2024| Statista

In 2023/24 there were 262 homicides involving a knife or other sharp instrument in England and Wales, compared with 243 in the previous reporting year.
www.statista.com
 

David O'Day

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  • Yesterday at 11:57 AM
  • #4,303
DT-R said:
Not white! If they were white/British, it would've been announced immediately to "stop racial tensions arising" so the fact they've not announced anything yet suggests to me they're clearly middle Eastern, more than likely been given leave to stay recently.

But the same old people will come along and call me racist and say that we cant jump to conclusions.

Sent from my SM-S711B using Tapatalk
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They've said they were black and british mate
 

DT-R

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  • Yesterday at 11:58 AM
  • #4,304
eastwoodsdustman said:
But they have haven’t they? Its illegal to carry a knife in public.
Stop and search would definitely help reduce the kids doing it but wont stop someone hellbent on killing innocent people.
Armed police everywhere is one answer but do we really need to go down that route?
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Yes its illegal to carry knives, but you cant ban them. ie, you cant just walk in to Asda Living and buy an AK47, but can buy a knife block with 5 deadly weapons inside as long as you can prove youre over 18.
You cant go in to your mums kitchen draw and pull out a browning 9mm, but can easily pick up a chefs knife.
You cant ban the sale of knives, meaning theyre always gonna be readily available to use. You cant stop and search EVERY person just because theyre brown, or young, or [enter other stereotypes here], and therefore not going to stop these kind of things happening more and more.

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Saddlebrains

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  • Yesterday at 12:00 PM
  • #4,305
Sick Boy said:
20 years ago there was loads of vitriol against the Polish coming over to work and how it was destroying British culture etc.
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Was there?

I recall different, no one gave a shit because they worked and paid tax
 
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