Significant Council announcement on Ricoh coming (3 Viewers)

Nick · Jan 14, 2014

shmmeee said:
See this is where IMO you show a real lack of understanding of what a lot of people who disagree with you think.

Many hate the owners because of their actions. Not the other way around. A thread on here the other day asked if we'd be happy in Sixfields with another owner who wanted to stay there. Well duh, no. Any owner who took the same actions as Sisu will get the same reaction.

I had no real issue with Sisu for a long time, check my post history. Even during the rent talks I used to argue with my dad that it's just negotiation tactics and that they're in it for the best of the club.

What changed the tide was the move out of Coventry. For me and many others that became the point where Sisus actions could no longer be legitimately claimed to be in the clubs long term interest.

All anyone has ever asked is for a reasonable case for the move to be put forward. It's never happened.

People don't hate what Sisu do because they're Sisu. They hate it because they don't see how it benefits a club they love.

And the complete silence when the question is asked here and elsewhere suggests they're not the only ones who can't see the benefits.

No, I get what you mean and I meant because it is SISU and what they have done (Sorry, I should have expanded).

IF Sisu hadn't moved us away then would many people be as bothered in terms of the council? I do agree a reasonable case should be put forward or at least some reasoning for a lot of decisions. In the long term if the new build stadium was all simple and they moved us while they build a nice new stadium to take us back then it all seems rosey and can be understood but who knows what they are thinking or planning?

Noggin · Jan 14, 2014

it didn't seem to be about the ricoh, though it might of been, certainly wasn't an annoucement, a 1 min statement saying they are going to try and pay off some debts by selling some things, renegotiating leases etc, but nothing specific.

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

shmmeee said:
See this is where IMO you show a real lack of understanding of what a lot of people who disagree with you think.

Many hate the owners because of their actions. Not the other way around. A thread on here the other day asked if we'd be happy in Sixfields with another owner who wanted to stay there. Well duh, no. Any owner who took the same actions as Sisu will get the same reaction.

I had no real issue with Sisu for a long time, check my post history. Even during the rent talks I used to argue with my dad that it's just negotiation tactics and that they're in it for the best of the club.

What changed the tide was the move out of Coventry. For me and many others that became the point where Sisus actions could no longer be legitimately claimed to be in the clubs long term interest.

All anyone has ever asked is for a reasonable case for the move to be put forward. It's never happened.

People don't hate what Sisu do because they're Sisu. They hate it because they don't see how it benefits a club they love.

And the complete silence when the question is asked here and elsewhere suggests they're not the only ones who can't see the benefits.

To be fair there is a good argument that it is for the best long term interests of the club. It's certainly not in the best interests in the short term though.

PIPSQUEEK · Jan 14, 2014

mark82 said:
Council/ACL aren't exactly blame free in the whole situation, yet people seem to love them. We would likely still be at the Ricoh now if they hadn't tried to replace the owners. Would still be a major dispute ongoing but I bet we would still be there.

Wish i was renting a house off you and if or when i lost my Job you would put my rent down and i personally believe ACL would of chucked them out at the end of this Season if they had carried on not paying the Rent which they agreed to .

shmmeee · Jan 14, 2014

mark82 said:
There aren't many on here who wouldn't want us back at the Ricoh, although I think some only want it if it benefits the council. That I find odd.

I find it odder to preference the financial gain of an American hedge fund owner over the local representatives of your city personally, but I think both are a bit of a red herring.

People want CCFC to do well. If Sisu could show that their plans do that more would back them.

To be honest, the sentiment I see most that has nothing to do with CCFC is irrational hatred of the council. Most anti-CCC posters seem to have been anti-Labour or anti-Politician more than they're pro CCFC.

Just an observation.

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

PIPSQUEEK said:
Wish i was renting a house off you and if or when i lost my Job you would put my rent down and i personally believe ACL would of chucked them out at the end of this Season if they had carried on not paying the Rent which they agreed to .

I'd have been charging you 10 times the going rate in the first place.

shmmeee · Jan 14, 2014

mark82 said:
To be fair there is a good argument that it is for the best long term interests of the club. It's certainly not in the best interests in the short term though.

Then PLEASE write it here.

GaryPendrysEyes · Jan 14, 2014

mark82 said:
I'd have been charging you 10 times the going rate in the first place.

You mean you agreed a rental contract and agreed a rental price, then bitched about it afterwards.

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

shmmeee said:
I find it odder to preference the financial gain of an American hedge fund owner over the local representatives of your city personally, but I think both are a bit of a red herring.

People want CCFC to do well. If Sisu could show that their plans do that more would back them.

To be honest, the sentiment I see most that has nothing to do with CCFC is irrational hatred of the council. Most anti-CCC posters seem to have been anti-Labour or anti-Politician more than they're pro CCFC.

Just an observation.

I don't think anyone gives a shit about sisu. Does anyone actually want them here? Wouldn't think many.

valiant15 · Jan 14, 2014

M&B Stand said:
Didn't the ferret pull your argument to pieces and get you to admit you want the club, as exists under sisu, to die?
It's a Phoenix club with an owner you want isn't it? That and a cracking deal for ACL.

Yes i would rather start again than spend the next ten years under sisu.

That's my opinion.

Am i not aloud to have one?

ecky · Jan 14, 2014

skybluejelly said:
I am going to kill whoever posted the live link ... this must be the most boring council meeting in history... a petition to stop dogs fouling

Are cov folk letting their dogs use the Ricoh pitch to have a dump?
Disgrace

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

valiant15 said:
Yes i would rather start again than spend the next ten years under sisu.

That's my opinion.

Am i not aloud to have one?

Nope. You may be allowed though.

lordsummerisle · Jan 14, 2014

GaryPendrysEyes said:
You mean you agreed a rental contract and agreed a rental price, then bitched about it afterwards.

Then realised he couldn't afford it and wanted to move somewhere smaller and more affordable.

Rather a Rachmanlike attitude you have.

shmmeee · Jan 14, 2014

Nick said:
No, I get what you mean and I meant because it is SISU and what they have done (Sorry, I should have expanded).

IF Sisu hadn't moved us away then would many people be as bothered in terms of the council? I do agree a reasonable case should be put forward or at least some reasoning for a lot of decisions. In the long term if the new build stadium was all simple and they moved us while they build a nice new stadium to take us back then it all seems rosey and can be understood but who knows what they are thinking or planning?

No worries. I think we all forget that actually, apart from the odd trouble maker, we all want to know how our club will be secure going forward.

If we, as fans, could just keep focused on that then all parties (CCC/ACL/Sisu) would find it a lot harder.

I'd ask the same by the way about those who seem to care about the Ricoh being used for car boot sales. But again, it's not the real point is it?

To paraphrase Jerry Maguire "Show me the well costed business plan!"

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

ecky said:
Are cov folk letting their dogs use the Ricoh pitch to have a dump?
Disgrace

Be better than some of the previous shit we have seen there.

On that note, back to work I think.

James Smith · Jan 14, 2014

SkyBlueScottie said:
DaleM said:

I personally don't give a rats ass about CCC/ACL it's trying to screw a CHARITY out of millions that gets my back up .

Click to expand...

How are they doing that, its already been stated a deal was done with Higgs only for the veto to come in...

When did that happen? The Higgs only agreed a HOT with Sisu and then Sisu walked away and as far as I know have yet to reimburse the Higgs for their costs despite agreeing to do so. CCC couldn't veto the sale of the charity share as no sale had been agreed and HOT aren't binding.

PIPSQUEEK · Jan 14, 2014

mark82 said:
I'd have been charging you 10 times the going rate in the first place.

no you would be charging what i agreed to no more no LESS

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

GaryPendrysEyes said:
You mean you agreed a rental contract and agreed a rental price, then bitched about it afterwards.

I think he should bitch about it if he's being over charged.

mark82 · Jan 14, 2014

PIPSQUEEK said:
no you would be charging what i agreed to no more no LESS

Then I'd be thrilled to have you as a tennant.

GaryPendrysEyes · Jan 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Then realised he couldn't afford it and wanted to move somewhere smaller and more affordable.

Rather a Rachmanlike attitude you have.

You just dont get 'business' at all do you? Due diligence, contracts, legals..all wooosh.

skyblueinBaku · Jan 14, 2014

SkyBlueScottie said:
How are they doing that, its already been stated a deal was done with Higgs only for the veto to come in...

Which deal has been vetoed?

ecky · Jan 14, 2014

Come on guys n gals all the infighting gets us nowhere all this passion and anger should be redirected at sisu and ACL and CCC to broker a deal about ownership and a sustained business plan where everyone benefits....
I have a dream.......

Danceswithhorses · Jan 14, 2014

SkyBlueScottie said:
How are they doing that, its already been stated a deal was done with Higgs only for the veto to come in...

Care to share your source for the veto ?
Pretty sure PWKH has stated that no veto was ever used...sisu walked away from a preliminary agreement with the charity and never came back-they still owe the charity for the legal fees incurred.

GaryPendrysEyes · Jan 14, 2014

I was all for moving on---today anyway....

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Jan 14, 2014

mark82 said:
Council/ACL aren't exactly blame free in the whole situation, yet people seem to love them. We would likely still be at the Ricoh now if they hadn't tried to replace the owners. Would still be a major dispute ongoing but I bet we would still be there.

That's one of the craziest claims things I've ever seen posted on here. Did they attempt this coup before, during or after the rent being withheld. Just run it through for me, can you please?

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jan 14, 2014

So have the fuckers found my phone....or not?

_brian_ · Jan 14, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
So have the fuckers found my phone....or not?

They're going to call you to let you know!!! LOL! Love it!!!

lordsummerisle · Jan 14, 2014

GaryPendrysEyes said:
You just dont get 'business' at all do you? Due diligence, contracts, legals..all wooosh.

You think all people should be tied into long-term rental contracts no matter the fact that circumstances had changed.

I imagine that you're suggesting that they should have agreed a much cheaper rental deal when they initially took over?(Fair enough)

If that's the case, then don't bleat on about Council Tax payers and local charities being short-changed when you're advocating that they should have had about £5million less income from the club than they have done.

shmmeee · Jan 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
You think all people should be tied into long-term rental contracts no matter the fact that circumstances had changed.

I imagine that you're suggesting that they should have agreed a much cheaper rental deal when they initially took over?(Fair enough)

If that's the case, then don't bleat on about Council Tax payers and local charities being short-changed when you're advocating that they should have had about £5million less income from the club than they have done.

Not quite a logical argument that last bit. Not wanting the council to get screwed != wanting them to get every penny they can.

All most people want is a deal thy benefits both sides.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Jan 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
You think all people should be tied into long-term rental contracts no matter the fact that circumstances had changed.

No. But stadiums are capital-exceptional projects, with repayment profiles over decades being the norm. Be the contract with a bank, private equity of via third party such as ACL or CCC, long term contracts need to be in place for places such as this. Nobody is going to build a stadium and cost it's repayment over 30 years, with a tenant that'll only commit to 3, are they?

Specs WT-R75 · Jan 14, 2014

Simon Gilbert ‏@TheSimonGilbert 3m It could be a while until that Ricoh statement is in the public domain. It's item 20 on the agenda and they're only on 11 after an hour.

Nick · Jan 14, 2014

I wonder if it will be literally something like the roads being resurfaced on the slip road up to it or something.

James Smith · Jan 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
You think all people should be tied into long-term rental contracts no matter the fact that circumstances had changed.

I imagine that you're suggesting that they should have agreed a much cheaper rental deal when they initially took over?(Fair enough)

If that's the case, then don't bleat on about Council Tax payers and local charities being short-changed when you're advocating that they should have had about £5million less income from the club than they have done.

When have the taxpayers or the charity ever seen any money from ACL? I thought all the profits were reinvested in the arena.

sky blue john · Jan 14, 2014

They are going to announce Grendel's coming out party !!!!

sky blue john · Jan 14, 2014

And Thorn has been booked as a guest speaker.....

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