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  • Thread starter Bobby Gould's Jockstrap
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #106
CraigSBA said:
All due respect , probably the same state the majority of clubbers that have 1 night stands are in , minus the pissing in a doorway
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If two people are both drunk then as it normally would be between two people who had been clubbing then who is responsible?

I'm guessing Evans was sober as I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise, it seems clear she was visibly drunk so i don't have much sympathy for Evans
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #107
Houchens Head said:
Merely using an example of historical crime. I'm not saying that the rapist Evans is the same as Peter Sutcliffe, but stating an answer that I felt justified my feelings. I suppose I could have just as easily have used the Kray twins as an example or Jimmy Saville. What I am trying to put over (in my opinion) is that if you are guilty of a crime such as rape, don't expect to carry on as normal when you're released.
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I'd say that lee Hughes, marlon king and Luke McCormick are more apt comparisons and all three managed to move back into football. Luke McCormick is the captain of Plymouth and he killed someone
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #108
CCFC said:
If two people are both drunk then as it normally would be between two people who had been clubbing then who is responsible?

I'm guessing Evans was sober as I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise, it seems clear she was visibly drunk so i don't have much sympathy for Evans
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Im just saying that somebody who believed she had been raped on a couple of occasions before by sportsmen , would hardly be keen to jump in bed with more strangers on a night out would she
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #109
CraigSBA said:
Im just saying that somebody who believed she had been raped on a couple of occasions before by sportsmen , would hardly be keen to jump in bed with more strangers on a night out would she
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But why is that relevant to the Evans case?
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #110
Mr T - Sukka! said:
No matter what walk of life it is stay well away from the following: Murderers, Rapists, Paedos.

I see nothing to change my mind here. Move along.
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what about kidnappers, grave robbers and fraudsters ?
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #111
CCFC said:
But why is that relevant to the Evans case?
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But you said that she wasnt able to consent , yet the man she had sex with first got away with it
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #112
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
what about kidnappers, grave robbers and fraudsters ?
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Nah they're cool. Kidnappers are great fun
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #113
FRY-CCFC said:
Nah they're cool. Kidnappers are great fun
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thats true just watched a great documentary about them with Liam Neeson
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #114
CraigSBA said:
But you said that she wasnt able to consent , yet the man she had sex with first got away with it
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I wasn't in the courtroom, I don't know the law and I didn't follow the case.

Two sober men took a visibly drunk girl back to a hotel room with the intention of having sex with her. Were they both guilty of the crime? Was neither guilty? I don't know and I'm not the one who decides. They were clearly taking advantage of a drunk woman though imo so they have no sympathy from me.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #115
Tricky subject this and I haven't read the whole thread but the way I see it is this; he was convicted of a crime and served his sentence so its now history and he should be given every opportunity to live his life, but...
Does the paedophile come back to his old job at the school?
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #116
CraigSBA said:
But you said that she wasnt able to consent , yet the man she had sex with first got away with it
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Is it possible he was with her before she was completely drunk, at what point did she possibly agree to go back to the hotel and why? But when someone else turns up much later?

Perhaps those were the considerations for passing different verdicts? Beyond reasonable doubt and all that!
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #117
Samo said:
Tricky subject this and I haven't read the whole thread but the way I see it is this; he was convicted of a crime and served his sentence so its now history and he should be given every opportunity to live his life, but...
Does the paedophile come back to his old job at the school?
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no because a paedo is a possible danger to children and in order for your point to stand you would have to prove that Evans is a danger to the people he will be working round and seeing that he is heterosexual and is trying to clear his name i don't think hes likely to rape any fellow footballers. I highly doubt however Ched Evans will pose a danger to other footballers apart from his scoring ability, i also highly doubt people will be scared to pick up the soap in the changing room showers with him around
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #118
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
no because a paedo is a possible danger to children and in order for your point to stand you would have to prove that Evans is a danger to the people he will be working round and seeing that he is heterosexual and is trying to clear his name i don't think hes likely to rape any fellow footballers. I highly doubt however Ched Evans will pose a danger to other footballers apart from his scoring ability, i also highly doubt people will be scared to pick up the soap in the changing room showers with him around
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He might get Conor Thomas drunk and take advantage.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #119
Hobo said:
Is it possible he was with her before she was completely drunk, at what point did she possibly agree to go back to the hotel and why? But when someone else turns up much later?

Perhaps those were the considerations for passing different verdicts? Beyond reasonable doubt and all that!
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Exactly, she could have drunk 10 bottles of Vodka before the other got there so by then she wasn't able to. If it was 3 minutes different it could be different.

Although didn't they test her the morning after and there wasn't much alcohol but plenty of coke...
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #120
FRY-CCFC said:
He might get Conor Thomas drunk and take advantage.
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I think we watch that on a weekly basis
 

Nick

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #121
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
I think we watch that on a weekly basis
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Beat me to it, was about to say it looks like every opposition centre mid are guilty of that!
 

covcity4life

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #122
dongonzalos said:
Breaking women's noses because you tried to pull them and they said no?
I take it that wasn't a no no
Chasing two women you don't know down the street trying to hit them with a belt?
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Not same as killing no.

But you won me over, CBA with bad characters at city full stop. No to ched!!
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #123
A whole court case
A decision by 12 independent people.

An appeal that three judges looked at and said the decision was right.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #124
covcity4life said:
Not same as killing no.

But you won me over, CBA with bad characters at city full stop. No to ched!!
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Top man !
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #125
dongonzalos said:
A whole court case
A decision by 12 independent people.

An appeal that three judges looked at and said the decision was right.
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Shock horror as human error occurs on earth.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #126
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
no because a paedo is a possible danger to children and in order for your point to stand you would have to prove that Evans is a danger to the
people he will be working round and seeing that he is heterosexual and is trying to clear his name i don't think hes likely to rape any fellow footballers. I highly doubt however Ched Evans will pose a danger to other footballers apart from his scoring ability, i also highly doubt people will be scared to pick up the soap in the changing room showers with him around
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Evans will though, be idolised and fantasised about by many young women and doubtless be in contact with many. Are you sure enough about his rehabilitation to be confident that the man understands the meaning of the word NO?
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #127
Samo said:
Evans will though, be idolised and fantasised about by many young women and doubtless be in contact with many. Are you sure enough about his rehabilitation to be confident that the man understands the meaning of the word NO?
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She didn't say no.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #128
FRY-CCFC said:
She didn't say no.
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She didn't say yes either, probably due to not being conscious!
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #129
Samo said:
She didn't say yes either, probably due to not being conscious!
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I believe, from what I read she said yes when McDonald asked if Evans could join.
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #130
It was the case of her being to out of it to be able to make a logical decision and Evans took advantage.
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #131
Samo said:
Evans will though, be idolised and fantasised about by many young women and doubtless be in contact with many. Are you sure enough about his rehabilitation to be confident that the man understands the meaning of the word NO?
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so your point is he should remain in jail because in the world not in his employment he may be around women and If women want to fantasize or idolize him that is their choice to do so through their freedom of thought. Also should we let people who steal cars out of prison because they will be going back into a world with cars everywhere not sure you thought your point through
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #132
skybluetony176 said:
Let me guess. The jury got it wrong.

How did his appeal go? Given that there was a "fair bit of doubt".
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This thread certainly shows why there's a reluctance to report sex crimes...
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #133
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
so your point is he should remain in jail because in the world not in his employment
he may be around women and If women want to fantasize or idolize him that is their choice to do so through their freedom of thought. Also should we let people who steal cars out of prison because they will be going back into a world with cars everywhere not sure you thought your point through
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Did I say he should remain in jail? I have thought my point through very well thank you. My point is; there may be other jobs that might be more appropriate considering his past, wouldnt you agree? Your point seems to be that you dont give a shit because we need a goalscorer.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #134
Deleted member 5849 said:
This thread certainly shows why there's a reluctance to report sex crimes...
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Frightening isn't it ?
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #135
Samo said:
Frightening isn't it ?
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Not really.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #136
FRY-CCFC said:
Not really.
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In the 'she wanted it really' camp are you?
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #137
Samo said:
Did I say he should remain in jail? I have thought my point through very well thank you. My point is; there may be other jobs that might be more appropriate considering his past, wouldnt you agree? Your point seems to be that you dont give a shit because we need a goalscorer.
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what jobs enlighten me?
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #138
Samo said:
Did I say he should remain in jail? I have thought my point through very well thank you. My point is; there may be other jobs that might be more appropriate considering his past, wouldnt you agree? Your point seems to be that you dont give a shit because we need a goalscorer.
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Won't he be around women wherever he goes considering Women also inhabit this earth as well
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #139
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
what jobs enlighten me?
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Any job in which he is not in the public eye and adored by young impressionable people?
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #140
Samo said:
In the 'she wanted it really' camp are you?
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No. In the he had sex with a drunk women whilst mildly intoxicated himself and she said yes camp.

Although, as the great Robin Thicke once said: "you know you want it"
 
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