I understand that Gaz but it has to be tried, anything has to be tried.
Give the manager a rolling contract until the end of the season and see what happens like newcastle did with shearer there is nothing to lose but could be a hell of a lot to gain.
Sorry to say but sacking Thorn is now a no-brainer. Why not sack a manager whose team lose virtually every game and has a 10% win ratio? If this is now what we measure as success then by all means get him to carry one but assuming we have slightly more aspiration than back to back relegations I think it's high time a change was made.
I know what your saying, and I have really gave it thought myself about if the only thing we can change is the manager then why not try it if we are going down anyway.
But for me, and the Redknapp point backs this up, it doesn't matter who is in charge, without the level of investment in the team that is a reasonable amount for this league we will not have a fighting chance.
That's just how I see it, if we sack Thorn we will just be in the same boat 6 months down the line.
Your'e more mature post here than my last one make me slightly embarrased. I am just rather frustrated by the fact Thorn seems to do no wrong. My personal opinion is that Thorn is a bit of a chancer. His first comment post Bothroyd was to slight the previous incumbent with the "entertaining football" motto. So I suspect if we were previously playing exciting football and losing he would have been adopting the "Crazy Gang" mentality. My view is Andy Thorn is a Man of All Seasons - a man short of talent, a chancer who sees the opportunity to try and get some managerial experience at our expense - not a nice man at all and as bad as all other SISU employees.
Sorry to say but sacking Thorn is now a no-brainer. Why not sack a manager whose team lose virtually every game and has a 10% win ratio? If this is now what we measure as success then by all means get him to carry one but assuming we have slightly more aspiration than back to back relegations I think it's high time a change was made.
To play devils advocate: you shouldn't sack him because you'd have to pay him off and were going down anyway so may as well just not renew at the end if the season.
It should now all be about building for next season. Let's get a new man at the helm and charge him with getting us promoted next season. Unless we are appointing Harry Houdini's ghost as our next manager, expecting us to stay up this season is totally unrealistic. Confidence is now so low, Thorn's position is now untenable. Pretty surprised he hasn't fallen on his sword as he must be seriously depressed.
To play devils advocate: you shouldn't sack him because you'd have to pay him off and were going down anyway so may as well just not renew at the end if the season.
Thing is Shmmeee very good thinking by the way, although I would still like him gone and at least try/fight for survival in this leauge until it is mathmatically impossible.
Some even at the end of the season will say it's not AT'S fault he should stay chopping and changing won't help lets give AT the chance at least till xmas to see what he can do, then decide wheather he should be sacked / how can he do any better than what he is doing as he lost ex amount of players and so on and so on.
I feel he has to go because if he stays and we continue the way we are going these players/ the players we have left will have less confidance in themselves than a man on the elctric chair hoping for a power failure
I wouldn't even call it struggling. It's already a limp lifeless corpse of a team who have already accepted the fact they are total wank on the pitch. The manager must take some blame for this though, we do have players who have played better but now just can't be arsed. It's AT's job to make sure they play like that again.. we may be struggling even with that hope, but at least we would put up a fight.
The club is going nowhere except in reverse, everyone can see that now, so what is there to lose? Thorn is a nice bloke, and i do actually like a some of the playing style he tries to inject into the players, but we are going nowhere and we have nothing to lose in replacing him. I don't even care if we bring someone in that no-one has even heard of. Times are desperate, and when you are rock bottom of a league at christmas and far from safety, you need to take risks to survive. keeping the same dross week after week with the hope that we may actually win is just madness.
To play devils advocate: you shouldn't sack him because you'd have to pay him off and were going down anyway so may as well just not renew at the end if the season.
But its not a case of renew. As I understand it, he has a 12 month rolling contract which means he always has 12 months. Never more and never less. Unless he leaves we have to pay 12 months whenever that is. What they should do is serve him notice of 12 months but not sack him and then make a decision whenever they want to. If he improves he may get another deal but if in May we decide not to, then he has only 7 months to be paid up. Maybe even put him on scouting or coaching duties. Pointless getting rid of him when we're skint and have no funds or ability to attract a suitable replacement. We're going down and should have been sacked already, but he hasn't so may aswell 'use' his services until a takeover or the summer arrives.
Right so Harry Redknapp couldn't stop Southampton from going down from the championship to league 1.
They had no money and couldn't bring the players in like Thorn.
So did that make him a bad manager too ?
No it didn't.
It doesn't matter who is in charge, without any backing it's always going to be a struggle.