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CovValleyBoy said:

The elite may be at the same level.
But the average has gone backwards.
Sub 30 for 5mile & sub 60min for 10 is the standard.
Can't do it , you ain't a runner.

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Thats bullshit.

I've never broke 60mins for 10 miles (although i'm racing a 10 miler in November and hope to be thereabouts).

I agree they are good club benchmarks (although 30 for 5 miles is certainly easier than 60 for 10), but they aren't the be all and end all.... i've known guys running 57mins for 10 miles when i was running 62:30, and i would hammer them over other distances and terrains.

CovValleyBoy said:

The elite may be at the same level.
But the average has gone backwards.
Sub 30 for 5mile & sub 60min for 10 is the standard.
Can't do it , you ain't a runner.

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I aint a runner then

DawlishSkyBlue said:

I aint a runner then

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He makes a couple of valid points about depth/standard in club competition....

But he's all over the place with that comment.

30mins for 5 miles and 60mins for 10 miles aren't remotely comparable anyway. I suspect he well knows this.

He should take a trip over to Podium at Leicester.......

Something like 40 runners broke 14mins for 5km
Around 150 broke 15mins.
I ran low 17's and there were about 400 runners quicker than me across the quicker races.

That is a reasonable amount of depth for anyone at a single event.

Armagh 5km had 150 runners break 15mins in a single race.

The fact that a lot of them may prioritise other things over turning out for their club, yeah thats an issue.....

DawlishSkyBlue said:

Isn't that just a case of it being more popular making the mean average slower? My club has a hell of a lot of middle aged slower runners who've joined over the last few years but the best are still as fast as anyone who came before them I wouldve thought

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I`d say that the majority of trail races I do, are populated by the 40/50 age group, both men and women, for the simple reasons that trail running in particular has taken off amongst the white / middle aged / middle class, who have time on their hands due to their kids being grown up and the fact they can afford to have weekends away in the likes of Cumbria / North Wales / Yorkshire etc and compete in races, that previously were the preserve of serious competitors from running clubs.

These running clubs still have serious and elite runners, but they also have a lot of nuts and bolts runners, who just enjoy the day out and the social side of things.

I`ve got mates who cycle and cycling is the same apparently.

I don`t road run, but I should imagine that road races are the same too.

So I`d say your pretty much spot on about the mean average becoming slower, as more " older fun and social " runners are now bulking up races.

Travs said:

Thats bullshit.

I've never broke 60mins for 10 miles (although i'm racing a 10 miler in November and hope to be thereabouts).

I agree they are good club benchmarks (although 30 for 5 miles is certainly easier than 60 for 10), but they aren't the be all and end all.... i've known guys running 57mins for 10 miles when i was running 62:30, and i would hammer them over other distances and terrains.

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Agreed easier to break 30 than 60.
But a male runner does both. Jogging will do neither.

Nothing compared to some of you , but I did another 5k today

CovValleyBoy said:

Agreed easier to break 30 than 60.
But a male runner does both. Jogging will do neither.

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I did probably the toughest forest trail half marathon in the UK last year and you know who got all the plaudits ?

Not the lad who won and ran it in 1hr 40 mins, but the inspirational young girl with cerebral palsy, who somehow got around the whole course on two alpine sticks and the help of a support runner.

Runners come in all shapes, sizes, ages and abilities mate.

Travs said:

Thats bullshit.

I've never broke 60mins for 10 miles (although i'm racing a 10 miler in November and hope to be thereabouts).

I agree they are good club benchmarks (although 30 for 5 miles is certainly easier than 60 for 10), but they aren't the be all and end all.... i've known guys running 57mins for 10 miles when i was running 62:30, and i would hammer them over other distances and terrains.

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27:10 my best for 5 miles
Can’t do that for 5k any more

In for Manchester Marathon next year.

Never ran more that 15k but looking forward to it. Want a time to aim for though.

I can do 10k in about 52 mins atm. What’s a good time to aim for for next April?