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ccfcway

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #71
how come we all believe that we paid the godden £750k up front ?

Not sure any deal for a league one club has ever happened like that before
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #72
I am not sure the point of quoting Maddison and Wilson and saying we should ask for millions. These two are very much exceptions to League 1 players

We are selling a League 1 player who has some potential not an England international and Premier League regular
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #73
Ring Of Steel said:
They could also buy anyone
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Go on then, who would you buy as a League One club whilst adhering to FFP rulings and our general regime of living within our means?

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Johhny Blue

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #74
Liverpool will buy him just so they don't have to face him in the cup final
 
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cc84cov

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #75
If it means robins gets the money we should deal at a certain price we have mason to play left back more than good enough could even get a young striker on loan from the club this could finance a promotion push
 
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pipkin73

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #76
Cavan O'Doherty said:
I’m not moaning at the club having to sell players, i’m just worried it will be the inevitable sell and not replace. He needs some of the money to reinvest, even if it’s a fraction just to push us over the line.
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Every club at our level has to sell players to survive, but our situation is different. We have cut the wage bill and i assume other costs too.
We have one problem other teams don't have and that is playing at a ground that we don't want to be in out of our City.
If supporters don't turn up then we have to sell more urgently than if they did.
If supporters don't turn up we sell our best prospect for 1.5-2 million as we need all that money just to keep us going, if supporters turn up then if we sell the same player add 500k + to that figure.
Also if supporters don't turn up running costs swallow all that up, if supporters do turn up maybe we have half to spend on new player(s).

It's easy really, the club we all love and support (i assume you all do, or why are you on here), need funds to survive. Go and watch them if you can can they have more funds to survive and maybe get promotion, don't go and they need to sell to balance the books. No blame aimed at anyone, you're not stupid and you all know this, but if you don't go then don't complain when we sell a player(s) below value.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #77
skyblue1991 said:
Agree he is not.

Just wish some fans were realistic. We are a League One club playing tenants in a city 20 miles away. We have to balance the books somehow.

However any less than £2m then it's disappointing. I would keep until the summer. We go up then his value doubles. We stay down then sell for £2m.

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Unless he gets injured
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #78
Johhny Blue said:
Liverpool will buy him just so they don't have to face him in the cup final
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You’re posts make me laugh I must admit hahaha
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #79
skyblue1991 said:
Go on then, who would you buy as a League One club whilst adhering to FFP rulings and our general regime of living within our means?

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There is no such thing as FFP in league one.

there is SCMP which is similar; but money input by owners is 100% exempt as long as there is no contractual agreement for repayment of that money.

And who would I buy? No idea, I’m not the manager. I’d rather he didn’t go, we aren’t conceding and don’t lose many games at all, but then we don’t score too many either so you’d have to look at Mason coming in and someone somehow to provide more goals, which might not necessarily be a striker but could be a provider. Not easy to find or come by.
 

pipkin73

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #80
shepardo01 said:
Yes! Thank you Pipkin
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You're welcome mate, i just don't think people read post properly sometime before reacting.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #81
Ring Of Steel said:
There is no such thing as FFP in league one.

there is SCMP which is similar; but money input by owners is 100% exempt as long as there is no contractual agreement for repayment of that money.
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So you think the owners should give the club money ok given what’s been said about breaking even etc
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #82
pipkin73 said:
Every club at our level has to sell players to survive, but our situation is different. We have cut the wage bill and i assume other costs too.
We have one problem other teams don't have and that is playing at a ground that we don't want to be in out of our City.
If supporters don't turn up then we have to sell more urgently than if they did.
If supporters don't turn up we sell our best prospect for 1.5-2 million as we need all that money just to keep us going, if supporters turn up then if we sell the same player add 500k + to that figure.
Also if supporters don't turn up running costs swallow all that up, if supporters do turn up maybe we have half to spend on new player(s).

It's easy really, the club we all love and support (i assume you all do, or why are you on here), need funds to survive. Go and watch them if you can can they have more funds to survive and maybe get promotion, don't go and they need to sell to balance the books. No blame aimed at anyone, you're not stupid and you all know this, but if you don't go then don't complain when we sell a player(s) below value.
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wise words. Used to have blazing rows about this when people would grumble at players going when they didn’t bother showing up to matches. One thing leads to another.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #83
Sky Blue Pete said:
So you think the owners should give the club money ok given what’s been said about breaking even etc
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That’s for SISU to decide, not me, just pointing out that all the FFP stuff is not for real, if you put money in with no agreement to repay then that doesn’t count towards the salary cap protocol.

I know they won’t, obviously, but it’s because they don’t want to, not because they’re bound by rules.
Just frustrating that after all this they couldn’t pump in just a couple of million more for someone who’d score the goals to take us up, but it’s their money, not mine, I’m a fan, they’re a business.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #84
Ring Of Steel said:
That’s for SISU to decide, not me, just pointing out that all the FFP stuff is not for real, if you put money in with no agreement to repay then that doesn’t count towards the salary cap protocol.

I know they won’t, obviously, but it’s because they don’t want to, not because they’re bound by rules.
Just frustrating that after all this they couldn’t pump in just a couple of million more for someone who’d score the goals to take us up, but it’s their money, not mine, I’m a fan, they’re a business.
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here you go
SCMP (League 1 & 2)

key part:
“However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity. Loans from club owners are understandably not included in the Turnover figure as these would result in growing club debts. In League 1 and League 2, a wealthy owner can therefore fund the club spending in a way that is not permitted in other divisions. Manchester City and Leicester for example seem set for punishment for their excessive losses (from UEFA and the Championship respectively) despite the fact that the owners have injected hard cash into the club to finance the spending.”

So SISU could buy whoever they want.
 

pipkin73

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #85
Sky Blue Pete said:
So you think the owners should give the club money ok given what’s been said about breaking even etc
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The owners do put money in each season (but not a gift) just to pay the clubs short fall in finances (they have yet to draw back that money from the clubs budget though).

If SISU ever decided to call the debt in we would be screwed, this is what scares me.
If the legal stuff goes against them, will they just decide to sell everything to get back what they can and at best just leave us with under 18 players (Bolton).
This is what "could" happen.
 
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The Great Eastern

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #86
'John Aloisi was a good example, we got him for nothing and Portsmouth went mad that we’d totally ripped them off- we had, but they had no choice but to sell.'
I'd say ripping Pompey off for John Aloisi was divine retribution for the way they took Mark Hateley off us for a ridiculously cheap price then sold him on for a huge profit to an Italian club.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #87
pipkin73 said:
The owners do put money in each season (but not a gift) just to pay the clubs short fall in finances (they have yet to draw back that money from the clubs budget though).

If SISU ever decided to call the debt in we would be screwed, this is what scares me.
If the legal stuff goes against them, will they just decide to sell everything to get back what they can and at best just leave us with under 18 players (Bolton).
This is what "could" happen.
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They are never going to call in the debt, that would be like the bailiffs showing up at your gaff looking for a couple of million, you’d just laugh at them. They would never get the money back. I’m not sure what they have to sell, but it’s not going to cover the (I think) £75m they’ve put in. They’re stuck with us unless they decide to write off the whole thing.

Apologies if you’re a milllionaire
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #88
The Great Eastern said:
'John Aloisi was a good example, we got him for nothing and Portsmouth went mad that we’d totally ripped them off- we had, but they had no choice but to sell.'
I'd say ripping Pompey off for John Aloisi was divine retribution for the way they took Mark Hateley off us for a ridiculously cheap price then sold him on for a huge profit to an Italian club.
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Yep, another good example. We had to sell, they got him for nothing. Don’t underestimate the power of the player to force a move as well which makes your hand even weaker.
 

pipkin73

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  • Jan 28, 2020
  • #89
Ring Of Steel said:
They are never going to call in the debt, that would be like the bailiffs showing up at your gaff looking for a couple of million, you’d just laugh at them. They would never get the money back. I’m not sure what they have to sell, but it’s not going to cover the (I think) £75m they’ve put in. They’re stuck with us unless they decide to write off the whole thing.

Apologies if you’re a milllionaire
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Haha!!! i wish i was.
I said "this is what could happen" and they could. The players are doing well now so a good 5 mill if not more in transfer fees could be theirs.
They will never get back what they put in unless we get back to the Premier League (not Premiership (Premiership is Rugby, URRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!! i feel dirty now as it's the insects league)).

The only prob is what i said earlier, they are still paying the short fall each season, so if they lose the legal action and we don't look like going up and they have to increase their contributions they "could" call quits on it (i don't think they will).
 

higgs

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #90
He will be off and we won't sign anybody robin's is happy with our lot

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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #91
I’ve got to say, I think there are a lot of people on this forum underestimating just how good McCallum is already. I don’t know about what price he would or should go for, and I was disappointed when Mason was originally dropped for him, but he’s proved me wrong and been fantastic. I think we would miss him more than most realise.


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vow

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #92
Mason is a more than adequate replacement, but is young Newton an adequate back-up to Mason?
 
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cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #93
Surely the club must be looking at doing something here if we get good money we can get someone in who can score goals weekly that’s all I’m seeing missing from automatic promotion ?
 
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vow

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #94
SkybluesBenny said:
If or when McCallum goes.
What would be more preferred a new striker or to try and get walsh in on a permanentk
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For me It'd be Walsh in a permanent deal, reckon he could step up to championship level given more game time and experience.

If we still had a bit of cash, then a striker.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #95
cc84cov said:
Surely the club must be looking at doing something here if we get good money we can get someone in who can score goals weekly that’s all I’m seeing missing from automatic promotion ?
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Not sure that’s going to happen. He’s already been given money for Chaplin, Hiwula, Bakayoko and Godden in the last 2 years
 
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usskyblue

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #96
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee said:
I’ve got to say, I think there are a lot of people on this forum underestimating just how good McCallum is already. I don’t know about what price he would or should go for, and I was disappointed when Mason was originally dropped for him, but he’s proved me wrong and been fantastic. I think we would miss him more than most realise.


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From what I’ve seen of McCallum he’s a real talent but I also think there’s some room for improvement. MR may think the same and try to convince ownership that patience may payoff with a more significant fee down the road.

Obviously it’s a tough one because we also need to offset the losses of playing in Birmingham.
 
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vow

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #97
cc84cov said:
Surely the club must be looking at doing something here if we get good money we can get someone in who can score goals weekly that’s all I’m seeing missing from automatic promotion ?
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Good point, but my only criticism of Robins (only lately) is the reluctance to play 2 strikers up front, as we have dominated games when we have done!

So my point is, I don't think we need to buy another striker as a priority, as we have a couple in Baka , Biamou and hiwula, utilise them!
 

cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #98
vow said:
Good point, but my only criticism of Robins (only lately) is the reluctance to play 2 strikers up front, as we have dominated games when we have done!

So my point is, I don't think we need to buy another striker as a priority, as we have a couple in Baka , Biamou and hiwula, utilise them!
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I think Baka is on his way can see Hiwula going as well this window
 

junglej13

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #99
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Not sure that’s going to happen. He’s already been given money for Chaplin, Hiwula, Bakayoko and Godden in the last 2 years
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From the sale of McNulty, Chaplin and Bayliss.
 
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cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #100
junglej13 said:
From the sale of McNulty, Chaplin and Bayliss.
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Good point if sisu want us up get us the best McCallum deal and let him get someone proven in
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #101
junglej13 said:
From the sale of McNulty, Chaplin and Bayliss.
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Yes I’m aware the point was more we’ve recruited 4 strikers for money and none of them have scored the goals the poster wants
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #102
cc84cov said:
Good point if sisu want us up get us the best McCallum deal and let him get someone proven in
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Godden is proven
 

cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #103
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yes I’m aware the point was more we’ve recruited 4 strikers for money and none of them have scored the goals the poster wants
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What’s your thoughts on current squad/strikers etc ? Do you think we need someone ?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #104
cc84cov said:
What’s your thoughts on current squad/strikers etc ? Do you think we need someone ?
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No not really, I don’t think our system is really set up for a striker to score loads.

Which proven strikers do you have in mind as Godden is proven at L1 level?
 

cc84cov

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  • Jan 29, 2020
  • #105
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Godden is proven
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Problem with godden is unless those 2 midfield players are on their game he suffers maybe we need to get O’Hare a run in the team,I’m surprised Allen is not getting a sniff how much he was raved about
 
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