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Grendel

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shmmeee

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no it doesn’t - please don’t fall for the Tim fisher spin

Even if our wage bill is £10m like you claim, that’s still half the league average and (50% below most teams not in a relegation battle). You’re falling for your own taxi for Robins spin.
 

Nick

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It is getting more like Thorn all the time, hands are tied, Fergie couldn't do any better etc etc.

Still doesn't explain defending a 0-0 against a very very poor Birmingham and all the other times there has been a failure to react during games.
 

SBAndy

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That's from each of their published accounts.

Which will not break down the players’ wages, the manager’s/backroom staff’s wages and the non-footballing wages. Difficult to ascertain exactly what’s what. My rough guess was that our playing wage bill would be around £7m.
 

shmmeee

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Which will not break down the players’ wages, the manager’s/backroom staff’s wages and the non-footballing wages. Difficult to ascertain exactly what’s what. My rough guess was that our playing wage bill would be around £7m.

Half what it needs to be
 

Grendel

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Even if our wage bill is £10m like you claim, that’s still half the league average and (50% below most teams not in a relegation battle). You’re falling for your own taxi for Robins spin.

I assume as you think mark robins is a better manager than John Sillett (snigger) then you think Tim fisher is up there with Derek Robins as one of our best ever chairmen? You’ll be doing a Go Fund Me campaign for a statue of him soon
 

Grendel

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Half what it needs to be

Barnsley were promoted on around a total wage of £7 million so what’s their wage bill now?
 

Frostie

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Which will not break down the players’ wages, the manager’s/backroom staff’s wages and the non-footballing wages. Difficult to ascertain exactly what’s what. My rough guess was that our playing wage bill would be around £7m.

Yeah that's probably about right, less than a quarter of some of the teams we're in a relegation battle with.
 

Evo1883

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Which proves wage bills have not a huge factor in league position

At last you are seeing the light

The ability to offer more money , be it wages or transfer / agent fees ...often directly influences how well a team "CAN" do .

You have anomalies , like bielsa at Leeds who did amazing last season

Man City and Chelsea have all proven this in modern times and have been consistently successful.

A big part of that , and it's not a small part ...is money
 

Grendel

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Yeah that's probably about right, less than a quarter of some of the teams we're in a relegation battle with.

Is Barnsley’s wage bill about £60 million then?
 

Evo1883

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It is getting more like Thorn all the time, hands are tied, Fergie couldn't do any better etc etc.

Still doesn't explain defending a 0-0 against a very very poor Birmingham and all the other times there has been a failure to react during games.


You know pep guardiola did a press conference when wilder was sacked / left .

He said ..in his words

If wilder was here , he'd be going for the title, if I was at Sheffield United I'd be fighting relegation .

Do you think Robins would have Norwich mid table?
 

Grendel

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The ability to offer more money , be it wages or transfer / agent fees ...often directly influences how well a team "CAN" do .

You have anomalies , like bielsa at Leeds who did amazing last season

Man City and Chelsea have all proven this in modern times and have been consistently successful.

A big part of that , and it's not a small part ...is money

As it always was but we oddly survived for over 30 years in the top flight with vastly inferior squads especially in the 80’s - managers had to keep the club up and continually so is we sack them
 

skyblue1991

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I've seen enough this season to see us comfortably stay up, albeit in the bottom half of the league. Even with the poor recruitment, particularly in January.

I've not however seen enough from Robins, to man-manage and motivate the players to get the best out of them. Until that changes we are either going down or we are not going to kick on and improve.

I'm not one for 'Robins out' yet but if we don't see a change in attitude on Monday then I do think we need to consider whether he is the right man to take the club forward, regardless of his previous success with us.
 

Grendel

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What are you on about now? 🤦🏼‍♂️🤣

Well you said we are competing against teams with budgets of £45m as Barnsley are in the promotion places theirs has to be higher surely?
 

Evo1883

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As it always was but we oddly survived for over 30 years in the top flight with vastly inferior squads especially in the 80’s - managers had to keep the club up and continually so is we sack them
The gap in finances between top and bottom was nowhere near the size of the gap today..

Fact
 
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Well you said we are competing against teams with budgets of £45m as Barnsley are in the promotion places theirs has to be higher surely?

@PVA and @procdoc reckon they’re gonna spend £20m on a striker in the summer so it must be!
 

Evo1883

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Norwich got shat on last year on the Premier league ..had they sacked the manager , who has them top this season , in January...would they have stayed up?
 

Frostie

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Well you said we are competing against teams with budgets of £45m as Barnsley are in the promotion places theirs has to be higher surely?

No, why do you keep making up weird whataboutery? It's weakening your argument rather than strengthening it.

Barnsley are overachieving, full credit to them. They stayed up last year by virtue of a last minute points deduction though. Us doing the same would be fine by me.
 
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shmmeee

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Barnsley were promoted on around a total wage of £7 million so what’s their wage bill now?

Cherry picking teams having the season of their lives proves what exactly? You were talking about averages before now you want exceptional as a baseline. Make your mind up.
 

Evo1883

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a better question is ..why did Norwich get relegated from the prem ...what played a role in that ?
 

Grendel

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The gap in finances between top and bottom was nowhere near the size of the gap today..

Fact

Well it was as the teams at the bottom would attract millions of revenue

Graham Withey was a lot further away from Garry Lineker than the strikers in the bottom 3 clubs to the top
 

Evo1883

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Well it was as the teams at the bottom would attract millions of revenue

Graham Withey was a lot further away from Garry Lineker than the strikers in the bottom 3 clubs to the top

The financial gap between top clubs and bottom clubs was nowhere near as big as it is today

That's a fact
 

Grendel

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The financial gap between top clubs and bottom clubs was nowhere near as big as it is today

That's a fact

It’s a fact it’s also irrelevant as proven by several clubs getting promoted in the top two divisions and remaining there
 

cov donkey kick

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The ability to offer more money , be it wages or transfer / agent fees ...often directly influences how well a team "CAN" do .

You have anomalies , like bielsa at Leeds who did amazing last season

Man City and Chelsea have all proven this in modern times and have been consistently successful.

A big part of that , and it's not a small part ...is money
That's true as long as the money is spent well and that is where so many teams with it have not done that at all levels,it all comes down to ,knowledge of players ability,temperament,attitude how when signed they click with fellow team players and luck re injuries,discipline.
And how many managers of all clubs have failed more than who have got it right.
 

Evo1883

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It’s a fact it’s also irrelevant as proven by several clubs getting promoted in the top two divisions and remaining there

Many factors including clubs resources play a role though ...Newcastle, West ham hardly small clubs but got promoted and stayed Albeit Newcastle have ups and downs

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Many seasons there have been 2 sides .

Money and resources a direct influence
 

Grendel

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Many factors including clubs resources play a role though ...Newcastle, West ham hardly small clubs but got promoted and stayed Albeit Newcastle have ups and downs

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Many seasons there have been 2 sides .

Money and resources a direct influence

it isn’t though when you quote clubs with £46m wage bills in the bottom 3 of this league and many with less than half of that above it
 

Evo1883

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it isn’t though when you quote clubs with £46m wage bills in the bottom 3 of this league and many with less than half of that above it

But we've already been through why that happens haven't we ?

Unsustainable push for promotion ...followed by gradual decline
 

Grendel

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But we've already been through why that happens haven't we ?

Unsustainable push for promotion ...followed by gradual decline

Which means you exclude their budget for performance analysis
 

wingy

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Tbf a fair bit of ownership change is involved with most of those failing behemoths,and management churn ,as recently as weeks ago .
 

HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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Budgets do have a massive influences. But Robins inability to notice a game changing has cost us points, his perseverance in playing a striker who couldn’t score in a brothel has cost us points.

a better manager would have won us more points and the budget point would be moot
 

clint van damme

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It is getting more like Thorn all the time, hands are tied, Fergie couldn't do any better etc etc.

Still doesn't explain defending a 0-0 against a very very poor Birmingham and all the other times there has been a failure to react during games.

It is possible to accept there are mitigating factors as to why we are struggling and be critical of selections and tactics at the same time.
 

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