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Grendel

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  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #106
Samo said:
Seriously though... what makes you think a change of manager will keep us up?
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I think from what I have seen we should stay up and if we do not its highly unlikely we will recover. To blindly follow him next season if relegated is naïve.

We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required.

The loyalty thing is stupid. If we were in the top 6 and he was being targeted by a Premier club would he stay? No of course not - there is no loyalty and we need to stay up whatever it takes.
 
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Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #107
Grendel said:
I think from what I have seen we should stay up and if we do not its highly unlikely we will recover. To blindly follow him next season if relegated is naïve.

We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required.

The loyalty thing is stupid. If we were in the top 6 and he was being targeted by a Premier club would he stay? No of course not - there is no loyalty and we need to stay up whatever it takes.
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Yes we do have players who are not up to this level but thats what happens when you go up, you can't replace the whole squad. You have to try to bring in enough to do the job, stay up and then build again.

It's not about loyalty for me, certainly not blind loyalty. It's about fairness and for me, he has earned a crack at this.
I hear what you say about 'needing' to stay up but there are no guarantees whoever you put in charge.
I say let him get on with it and try to be realistic with our expectations.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #108
Samo said:
Yes we do have players who are not up to this level but thats what happens when you go up, you can't replace the whole squad. You have to try to bring in enough to do the job, stay up and then build again.

It's not about loyalty for me, certainly not blind loyalty. It's about fairness and for me, he has earned a crack at this.
I hear what you say about 'needing' to stay up but there are no guarantees whoever you put in charge.
I say let him get on with it and try to be realistic with our expectations.
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The issue has been that some of the signings after promotion are now just rotting on the bench and aren't first choice anyway when fit.
 
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #109
Nick said:
The issue has been that some of the signings after promotion are now just rotting on the bench and aren't first choice anyway when fit.
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Well when you only put pennies in the kitty that's what you get rotting fruit.
People are happy that we have the second lowest budget, well in the end it catches up with you.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #110
Grendel said:
I think from what I have seen we should stay up and if we do not its highly unlikely we will recover. To blindly follow him next season if relegated is naïve.

We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required.

The loyalty thing is stupid. If we were in the top 6 and he was being targeted by a Premier club would he stay? No of course not - there is no loyalty and we need to stay up whatever it takes.
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Who have we signed who is fit and nowhere near the level?

Hamer, Østigård, McCallum, Giles, Sheaf, Dacosta - Fit and at or around the level

Walker, Hilßner - not fit, ones looked at the level when he’s played.

Nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do with proven success. Good for you that you want to go back to an endless line of journeyman managers though.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #111
Nick said:
The issue has been that some of the signings after promotion are now just rotting on the bench and aren't first choice anyway when fit.
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Who? Dacosta?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #112
shmmeee said:
Who? Dacosta?
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Hilsner as well.

Yeah they have had injury issues but they arent going to get that match fit sat on the bench.

Also have to question contracts, why sign Bakayoko again? He clearly doesn't rate him.
 

SkyblueTexan

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #113
Nick said:
The issue has been that some of the signings after promotion are now just rotting on the bench and aren't first choice anyway when fit.
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Well said. Of the 10 summer signings or whatever it was, only Hamer and Ostergard have been any good. Walker’s been ok as has Giles. Sheaf needs to be better. I don’t consider McCallum as a new recruit. Will we ever see Hillsner play or DaCosta make a meaningful contribution? This level is clearly too high for those who came up with us (Baka, Shipley, possibly Allen etc.).
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #114
Nick said:
Hilsner as well.

Yeah they have had injury issues but they arent going to get that match fit sat on the bench.

Also have to question contracts, why sign Bakayoko again? He clearly doesn't rate him.
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Obviously had no money to get another Stricker kept him in desperation.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #115
letsallsingtogether said:
Obviously had no money to get another Stricker kept him in desperation.
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Apart from the Striker he bought?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #116
The way I see it is Mark Robins is to CCFC what Sean Dyche is to Burnley. His first spell in the premier league with zero budget led to relegation, the next season as a capable manager who knows how to get promoted from the championship took them straight back up again.

Robins is a twice promoted manager, the first promotion also broke a direction of travel. He’s absolutely qualified and proven to not only get promoted but also turn the tide to achieve that. If we don’t stay up we’ll all be demanding a manager with his proven track record, absolutely no evidence that a change of manager will keep us up let alone improve our performances. It’s mental to suggest that Robins has to go, we’re punching above our weight, Robins is perfectly qualified to give us our best chance of promotion should we go down. There is literally no common sense argument to sack Robins.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #117
Nick said:
Hilsner as well.

Yeah they have had injury issues but they arent going to get that match fit sat on the bench.

Also have to question contracts, why sign Bakayoko again? He clearly doesn't rate him.
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Baka has been done to death but clearly we needed a third striker and didn’t have much budget.

Dacosta has been unlucky being injured the exact same time as Dabo, but was clearly brought in for back up.

Hilßner is looking like a dud but again fitness issues and you can’t win them all. I think our transfer strategy the last three years has been the best I’ve ever seen TBH.
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #118
Nick said:
Hilsner as well.

Yeah they have had injury issues but they arent going to get that match fit sat on the bench.

Also have to question contracts, why sign Bakayoko again? He clearly doesn't rate him.
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Bakayoko was a 12 month extension on what I'd guess is low end league one wages. Guessing it's cheap cover.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #119
shmmeee said:
Baka has been done to death but clearly we needed a third striker and didn’t have much budget.

Dacosta has been unlucky being injured the exact same time as Dabo, but was clearly brought in for back up.

Hilßner is looking like a dud but again fitness issues and you can’t win them all. I think our transfer strategy the last three years has been the best I’ve ever seen TBH.
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With using analytics there will always be the odd signing that doesn't work out, but so far it's been far more successful than not.
 
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stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #120
mark82 said:
With using analytics there will always be the odd signing that doesn't work out, but so far it's been far more successful than not.
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Quite. And do the (potentially - we’re still only 19 games in!!!) iffy signings all fall on MR? Did he go out and get Hillsner for example or is that on the recruitment team? And if the latter, is Badlan not the board’s appointment?
 

Johhny Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #121
Houchens Head said:
Dig up Brian Clough! He'll see us promoted!
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We had our chance and blew it
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #122
cc84cov said:
Forest picked up a point away against Stoke who most on here fancy to go up
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can you link me any post where someone says they think Stoke will go up?
 

cc84cov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #123
clint van damme said:
can you link me any post where someone says they think Stoke will go up?
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It says “most” not “Clint”
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #124
cc84cov said:
It says “most” not “Clint”
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and? I've not heard anyone say it. Can you link a post please?
 

DannyThomas_1981

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #125
shmmeee said:
Who have we signed who is fit and nowhere near the level?

Hamer, Østigård, McCallum, Giles, Sheaf, Dacosta - Fit and at or around the level

Walker, Hilßner - not fit, ones looked at the level when he’s played.

Nothing to do with loyalty and everything to do with proven success. Good for you that you want to go back to an endless line of journeyman managers though.
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100% agree with every word.
 
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DannyThomas_1981

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #126
Grendel said:
I think from what I have seen we should stay up and if we do not its highly unlikely we will recover. To blindly follow him next season if relegated is naïve.

We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required.

The loyalty thing is stupid. If we were in the top 6 and he was being targeted by a Premier club would he stay? No of course not - there is no loyalty and we need to stay up whatever it takes.
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Jesus Christ. Shaking my head.

You absolute fucking Moron. This is truly one of your more moronic posts even by your exceptional standards.

In your alternative universe you seem to believe that all managers have a 100% perfect record in the the transfer market. Even with millions to spend that is absolutely untrue - just look at Fergie as an example of how managers get some transfers wrong.

For once - give Robins a break. His record in the transfer market has been exceptional since he returned - not every transfer is going to pay off. Your cluelessness about football is just constantly mind blowing.

I can only assume that you could not have been serious in posting this complete nonsense? Jesus.
 
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Johhny Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #127
clint van damme said:
can you link me any post where someone says they think Stoke will go up?
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Best place to look would be the Stoke forum
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 30, 2020
  • #128
DannyThomas_1981 said:
Jesus Christ. Shaking my head.

You absolute fucking Moron. This is truly one of your more moronic posts even by your exceptional standards.

In your alternative universe you seem to believe that all managers have a 100% perfect record in the the transfer market. Even with millions to spend that is absolutely untrue - just look at Fergie as an example of how managers get some transfers wrong.

For once - give Robins a break. His record in the transfer market has been exceptional since he returned - not every transfer is going to pay off. Your cluelessness about football is just constantly mind blowing.

I can only assume that you could not have been serious in posting this complete nonsense? Jesus.
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You really need to go and have a lie down
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #129
covhead1 said:
It doesn't hurt to ask questions, I think MR has been great for us in league 1 and 2, but is the championship a league too far?
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No, he’s a good fit for what we are, a club happy to just survive in the division.
 
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Londonccfcfan

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #130
SlowerThanPlatt said:
No, he’s a good fit for what we are, a club happy to just survive in the division.
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This season.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #131
Grendel said:
I think from what I have seen we should stay up and if we do not its highly unlikely we will recover. To blindly follow him next season if relegated is naïve.

We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required.

The loyalty thing is stupid. If we were in the top 6 and he was being targeted by a Premier club would he stay? No of course not - there is no loyalty and we need to stay up whatever it takes.
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"We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required"

Most were signed for League 2 and 1 though. Even those brought in in the summer had to fit within our limited budget.
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #132
Tommy Docherty no longer in the running then?
 

Perryccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #133
Irrespective of some performances, if before a ball was kicked this season someone said we will be 17th and 7 points clear of relegation on Jan 1st then I think every single one of us would have snapped their hand off.

On that basis, for me Robins is continuing the excellent work he has already achieved at our club and long May that continue.

If we end up relegated then it’s hardly come as a huge shock, it’ll be a disappointment of course and of course I’m sure the club will look at what the next move would be, but I would also trust Robins to give it a go next season if that was the case.

People love pressing the bloody panic button without actually reviewing what’s happened.
 
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Perryccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #134
Grendel said:
You really need to go and have a lie down
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He is right though, you are a total moron.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #135
Perryccfc said:
He is right though, you are a total moron.
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Lol irony on New Year’s Day.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #136
Grendel said:
I think from what I have seen we should stay up and if we do not its highly unlikely we will recover. To blindly follow him next season if relegated is naïve.

We have a lot of players who have been signed who are fit and nowhere near the level required.

The loyalty thing is stupid. If we were in the top 6 and he was being targeted by a Premier club would he stay? No of course not - there is no loyalty and we need to stay up whatever it takes.
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This isn’t you going back to thinly veiled calls for a sacking now is it?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #137
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This isn’t you going back to thinly veiled calls for a sacking now is it?
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No I’m fairly consistent in my opinion
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #138
Grendel said:
No I’m fairly consistent in my opinion
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I see, it’s just you’re going back to the arguments you made before the unbeaten run. Not quite back to wanting us to swap managers with Portsmouth at least.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #139
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I see, it’s just you’re going back to the arguments you made before the unbeaten run. Not quite back to wanting us to swap managers with Portsmouth at least.
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I didn’t say I wanted to swap managers
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #140
Grendel said:
I didn’t say I wanted to swap managers
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You said it would be good for both clubs. Seems clear you were waiting for a downturn in form to start reviving the old stuff about not showing loyalty to a struggling manager. Soon we’ll probably see Barnsley and Luton brought up with ‘I’m not saying sack him but what did they both do’.

Have a bit more courage to just say you want him out
 
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