Rangers (2 Viewers)

[SBT]

Can see them doing well with Gerrard there again. Seems to be a good match.

How about Lampard and Gerrard coaching together? What could possibly go wrong?

 

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[covcity4life]

Gerrard did great first time round. Seems like something missing without his backroom staff. But we saw same with robins didn't we?

I wouldn't call time on him just yet. Same with Martin prob go somewhere else and fix reputation. Although he needs to get next job right or he may fall out the managerial carousel

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Gerrard did great first time round. Seems like something missing without his backroom staff. But we saw same with robins didn't we?

I wouldn't call time on him just yet. Same with Martin prob go somewhere else and fix reputation. Although he needs to get next job right or he may fall out the managerial carousel

Yes the Shrewsbury job should become available soon

 

[alexccfc99]

Gerrard did great first time round. Seems like something missing without his backroom staff. But we saw same with robins didn't we?

I wouldn't call time on him just yet. Same with Martin prob go somewhere else and fix reputation. Although he needs to get next job right or he may fall out the managerial carousel

Be interesting if Michael Beale goes back there with him after his failed stint as Rangers' manager

 

[covcity4life]

Be interesting if Michael Beale goes back there with him after his failed stint as Rangers' manager

Yeah would seem to make sense

 

[David O'Day]

Be interesting if Michael Beale goes back there with him after his failed stint as Rangers' manager

be shocked, he's hated there

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah would seem to make sense

no, no it doesn't

he's one of their most hated people, they'll go mad if they try and give him a job their

if it is gerrard it'll have to be sans beale

 

[Ccfcisparks]

no, no it doesn't

he's one of their most hated people, they'll go mad if they try and give him a job their

if it is gerrard it'll have to be sans beale

I've been browsing their forum the last few days and they seem open to Beale coming back as assistant.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Gerrard did great first time round. Seems like something missing without his backroom staff. But we saw same with robins didn't we?

I wouldn't call time on him just yet. Same with Martin prob go somewhere else and fix reputation. Although he needs to get next job right or he may fall out the managerial carousel

Gerrard failed at Villa and again in Saudi. One good season at Rangers looks like the exception to the rule.

 

[alexccfc99]

Gerrard failed at Villa and again in Saudi. One good season at Rangers looks like the exception to the rule.

I think it is unfair to say he only had one good season at Rangers...

I don't care for Scottish Football but iirc Rangers were getting pasted nearly every time they played Celtic when they first returned to the top flight - Gerrard at least in his first few seasons closed the gap and made them competitive in the Derbies again, and then it obviously all boiled down to him winning the league - albeit it was COVID times and Celtic seemed to implode internally when they should have got the 10 in a row

But pretty sure when he upped sticks for Villa as well he left them in a comfortable spot at the top of the league

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think it is unfair to say he only had one good season at Rangers...

I don't care for Scottish Football but iirc Rangers were getting pasted nearly every time they played Celtic when they first returned to the top flight - Gerrard at least in his first few seasons closed the gap and made them competitive in the Derbies again, and then it obviously all boiled down to him winning the league - albeit it was COVID times and Celtic seemed to implode internally when they should have got the 10 in a row

But pretty sure when he upped sticks for Villa as well he left them in a comfortable spot at the top of the league

He then left Villa just above the relegation zone.

 

[alexccfc99]

He then left Villa just above the relegation zone.

I didn't say he didn't

But a lot of other sets of fans ridiculed us for appointing Frank coming up 12 months ago and I stuck up for him, so for me would be harsh to completely write Gerrard off as a manager at this current moment in time

 

[covcity4life]

Gerrard failed at Villa and again in Saudi. One good season at Rangers looks like the exception to the rule.

It's early into a managerial career though. At Saudi he wasn't one of the teams funded by PIF so never stood chance of competing for title etc

Villa was poor

But remember we had posters on here doubting kompany(may have been you too?) and look at him now. Bayern are playing stuff just as good if not maybe even better than the flick and guardiola eras. Bonafide contender to win CL this year if keep attacker's fit

Maresca too was ridiculed and he's gone on to win the club world cup beating everyone's new darlings psg in the final. Also won conference league and got top 4

Fans are too quick to put people down imo. I'm not saying Gerrard will do we but there is still potential there so let's see how rest of his career plays out

And great point from Alex about our own manager frank lampard who we were told was a rubbish manager based on some poor stints in early part of his career. His second Chelsea win percentage was posted numerous times on here!

 

[David O'Day]

I think it is unfair to say he only had one good season at Rangers...

I don't care for Scottish Football but iirc Rangers were getting pasted nearly every time they played Celtic when they first returned to the top flight - Gerrard at least in his first few seasons closed the gap and made them competitive in the Derbies again, and then it obviously all boiled down to him winning the league - albeit it was COVID times and Celtic seemed to implode internally when they should have got the 10 in a row

But pretty sure when he upped sticks for Villa as well he left them in a comfortable spot at the top of the league

no, he had one good season, he would have been sacked the season before but covid ended the season early

he was top when he left only because it was the first month and a bit of the Ange era and the Celtic tea was being rebuilt

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's early into a managerial career though. At Saudi he wasn't one of the teams funded by PIF so never stood chance of competing for title etc

Villa was poor

But remember we had posters on here doubting kompany(may have been you too?) and look at him now. Bayern are playing stuff just as good if not maybe even better than the flick and guardiola eras. Bonafide contender to win CL this year if keep attacker's fit

Maresca too was ridiculed and he's gone on to win the club world cup beating everyone's new darlings psg in the final. Also won conference league and got top 4

Fans are too quick to put people down imo. I'm not saying Gerrard will do we but there is still potential there so let's see how rest of his career plays out

And great point from Alex about our own manager frank lampard who we were told was a rubbish manager based on some poor stints in early part of his career. His second Chelsea win percentage was posted numerous times on here!

I said Kompany’s style works when he has the best players in the league available. He has that at Bayern and had it at Burnley in the Championship. Continued doing it in the Prem and was annihilated.

Lampard showed promise at Derby, Chelsea and turning Everton around in his first season. Gerrard has more crosses than ticks against his record.

You seem to struggle with accepting that sideways tippy tappy football works fine with world class or the best for your division players but few others. Which is why you keep defending Russell Martin.

 

[covcity4life]

I said Kompany’s style works when he has the best players in the league available. He has that at Bayern and had it at Burnley in the Championship. Continued doing it in the Prem and was annihilated.

Lampard showed promise at Derby, Chelsea and turning Everton around in his first season. Gerrard has more crosses than ticks against his record.

You seem to struggle with accepting that sideways tippy tappy football works fine with world class or the best for your division players but few others. Which is why you keep defending Russell Martin.

You don't understand that if kompany didn't play same way in premier league he wouldn't have got the skillset to manage at Bayern

You are crazy if you think he is just plug and play and not learning lessons week in week out about his tactics

And it's really cringe how you talk about arsing around at the back when cov are top because we play it out many many times from back yet if we messed up once to concede you would no doubt label it as a bad tactic

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You don't understand that if kompany didn't play same way in premier league he wouldn't have got the skillset to manage at Bayern

You are crazy if you think he is just plug and play and not learning lessons week in week out about his tactics

And it's really cringe how you talk about arsing around at the back when cov are top because we play it out many many times from back yet if we messed up once to concede you would no doubt label it as a bad tactic

You’ve misunderstood once again unfortunately. We’re playing pass and move football, not doing Cruyff turns in our own 6 yard box and giving idiotic goals away.

 

[David O'Day]

You don't understand that if kompany didn't play same way in premier league he wouldn't have got the skillset to manage at Bayern

You are crazy if you think he is just plug and play and not learning lessons week in week out about his tactics

And it's really cringe how you talk about arsing around at the back when cov are top because we play it out many many times from back yet if we messed up once to concede you would no doubt label it as a bad tactic

We do understand the Kompany situation, he's got a far better team than anyone else in his league so no matter what he does he will likely win the game.

We don't play it out from the anywhere near as much this season as we are now happy to go vertical and over press. It was a bad tactic last season as the tip tappy sideways passing allowed teams to sit in a low block against us and let us pass it around in front of them. Rushworth, Thomas, Kitching and Grimes are going long much more this season. Take EMCs goal vs Derby, that doesn't happen last season. Instead of going long and into MVEs run Kitching last season would have played the pass to his left to Grimes or to Thomas on his right.

 

[covcity4life]

You’ve misunderstood once again unfortunately. We’re playing pass and move football, not doing Cruyff turns in our own 6 yard box and giving idiotic goals away.

Idiotic goals will happen from time to time. The point is the positives out weight the negatives clearly thus nearly everyone uses it now wether top or not. Some do it better than others but even at its worst it works more often than not. You can't tell me you think those that mistakes are not trying to play pass and move? I know you don't believe that

So waiting for a mistake to say arsing around the back shows a lack of football intelligence

 

[David O'Day]

Idiotic goals will happen from time to time. The point is the positives out weight the negatives clearly thus nearly everyone uses it now wether top or not. Some do it better than others but even at its worst it works more often than not. You can't tell me you think those that mistakes are not trying to play pass and move? I know you don't believe that

So waiting for a mistake to say arsing around the back shows a lack of football intelligence

They don't use it now, even Barcelona and PSG are much more vertical than they used to be. Pep himself has admitted his style of play is outdated.

 

[TomRad85]

You seem to struggle with accepting that sideways tippy tappy football works fine with world class or the best for your division players but few others. Which is why you keep defending Russell Martin.

Problem with Martin is that his style seems to have run its course even in this case. Yes Rangers have what looks like a bottom half Championship team on paper which is hardly inspiring, but by SPL standards a bottom half Championship team should be just behind Celtic as an absolute minimum.

 

[covcity4life]

Problem with Martin is that his style seems to have run its course even in this case. Yes Rangers have what looks like a bottom half Championship team on paper which is hardly inspiring, but by SPL standards a bottom half Championship team should be just behind Celtic as an absolute minimum.

Hearts now part owned by tiny bloom so they making us elf Brighton recruitment model.

Hopefully it keeps them up there as a contender

 

[covcity4life]

They don't use it now, even Barcelona and PSG are much more vertical than they used to be. Pep himself has admitted his style of play is outdated.

They still don't just take long goal kicks all the time though. Just like cov don't either

I ain't said anything about tiki taka I am only addressing the nonsense of saying anyone who loses a goal by playing out from back is arsing around with it.

 

[TomRad85]

Hearts now part owned by tiny bloom so they making us elf Brighton recruitment model.

Hopefully it keeps them up there as a contender

It would be good for the league yes.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It's early into a managerial career though. At Saudi he wasn't one of the teams funded by PIF so never stood chance of competing for title etc

Villa was poor

But remember we had posters on here doubting kompany(may have been you too?) and look at him now. Bayern are playing stuff just as good if not maybe even better than the flick and guardiola eras. Bonafide contender to win CL this year if keep attacker's fit

Maresca too was ridiculed and he's gone on to win the club world cup beating everyone's new darlings psg in the final. Also won conference league and got top 4

Fans are too quick to put people down imo. I'm not saying Gerrard will do we but there is still potential there so let's see how rest of his career plays out

And great point from Alex about our own manager frank lampard who we were told was a rubbish manager based on some poor stints in early part of his career. His second Chelsea win percentage was posted numerous times on here!

I’m still questioning Maresca. I’d have expected us to make a fist of the conference league let alone Chelsea. The World Club Cup has questions on who actually took it seriously but granted was a good achievement in the grand scheme of things.

massive season for him, if he can turn Chelsea into title contenders I’d go along with him being decent.

same for Kompany in some respects. He should be walking the bundesliga. But he’s going to be measured on how he gets on in the CL

 

[David O'Day]

They still don't just take long goal kicks all the time though. Just like cov don't either

I ain't said anything about tiki taka I am only addressing the nonsense of saying anyone who loses a goal by playing out from back is arsing around with it.

no one said that though did they, you have totally misunderstood what BSB said.

 

[alexccfc99]

I’m still questioning Maresca. I’d have expected us to make a fist of the conference league let alone Chelsea. The World Club Cup has questions on who actually took it seriously but granted was a good achievement in the grand scheme of things.

massive season for him, if he can turn Chelsea into title contenders I’d go along with him being decent.

same for Kompany in some respects. He should be walking the bundesliga. But he’s going to be measured on how he gets on in the CL

Funnily enough I think there are a few Chelsea fans who still aren't convinced

 

[rob9872]

not doing Cruyff turns in our own 6 yard box and giving idiotic goals away.

Unfortunately our keepers aren't on message. It's how Dovin did his ACL and the Rushworth one that was funny on Bannan at the weekend I enjoyed, but I'd still rather he didn't do it!

 

[covcity4life]

I’m still questioning Maresca. I’d have expected us to make a fist of the conference league let alone Chelsea. The World Club Cup has questions on who actually took it seriously but granted was a good achievement in the grand scheme of things.

massive season for him, if he can turn Chelsea into title contenders I’d go along with him being decent.

same for Kompany in some respects. He should be walking the bundesliga. But he’s going to be measured on how he gets on in the CL

They both won silverware. They may have been favourites but they still had to do it

I totally understand reserving elite status for winning bigger trophies but there is more than enough there to make people who put them down look silly

 

[covcity4life]

Unfortunately our keepers aren't on message. It's how Dovin did his ACL and the Rushworth one that was funny on Bannan at the weekend I enjoyed, but I'd still rather he didn't do it!

But we don't arse around at the back apparently. It's pass and move when we do it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But we don't arse around at the back apparently. It's pass and move when we do it

You’re being stubborn about it which is fine. I get that you think it’s either Pepball or hoofball.

There’s more than one lengthy compilation of teams who arsed around and found out in the Prem alone. Kompany’s Burnley contributed a lot of them in their season because they just weren’t good enough to play that way against better opposition.

 

[covcity4life]

You’re being stubborn about it which is fine. I get that you think it’s either Pepball or hoofball.

You don't get it at all which is the funniest thing. You just make it a black and white situation to make it simpler for yourself

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

They both won silverware. They may have been favourites but they still had to do it

I totally understand reserving elite status for winning bigger trophies but there is more than enough there to make people who put them down look silly

By that token we'd be saying Neil Lennon was a top manager, But he wasn't he was lucky to be in charge of a side that ultimately miles in front of their competition.

I'm not saying that Kompany and Maresca are bad managers, like you said - theres obviously something there, but its not as simple as "They must be good - look who theyre managing" Theres a lot of politics that go on in football, I would still argue that Kompany's fashionable name, and reputation as a footballer got him the Bayern job, both him and Russell Martin both got their sides promoted and both stook to their principles. But no sane man would suggest Russell Martin becomes Bayern Manager.

As i said - I'm waiting to see how Bayern and Chelsea do in the elite competitions, both will have a bit of leeway rightfully so - but there will be expectations that they're around the final of the CL, and in chelsea's case - pushing for the Prem.

 

[covcity4life]

By that token we'd be saying Neil Lennon was a top manager, But he wasn't he was lucky to be in charge of a side that ultimately miles in front of their competition.

I'm not saying that Kompany and Maresca are bad managers, like you said - theres obviously something there, but its not as simple as "They must be good - look who theyre managing" Theres a lot of politics that go on in football, I would still argue that Kompany's fashionable name, and reputation as a footballer got him the Bayern job, both him and Russell Martin both got their sides promoted and both stook to their principles. But no sane man would suggest Russell Martin becomes Bayern Manager.

As i said - I'm waiting to see how Bayern and Chelsea do in the elite competitions, both will have a bit of leeway rightfully so - but there will be expectations that they're around the final of the CL, and in chelsea's case - pushing for the Prem.

Top manager maybe not but he's not shite either as managers like mowbray failed at Celtic but are well regarded in the game so lennons achievements are more than enough not to be ridiculed

That's my only point. Keyboard warriors saying how shit everyone is even when they have achieved stuff

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You don't get it at all which is the funniest thing. You just make it a black and white situation to make it simpler for yourself

With respect the opposite is happening buddy.

You can surely see the difference between how we’re playing this season and last? The ball is getting up the pitch at a faster rate. The same is true even of Man City this season.