Rangers (2 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

With respect the opposite is happening buddy.

You can surely see the difference between how we’re playing this season and last? The ball is getting up the pitch at a faster rate. The same is true even of Man City this season.

And with all due respect you can't tell me you watch other teams week in week out enough to say whether are they are arsing around at the back or not

 

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[wingy]

There's simply more of the product when it's played our way currently, I do hope we continue with this and actually storm this league for!

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

On the playing out from the back thing. I read an article that this a modern day phenomena. It was noted that statistically hoofing the ball forward led to a goal for the opposition more often than not.

it turned into the playing out from the back. Now I always look at this as something realistically only the top teams could do as it requires elite concentration and control.

not a fan of it myself, but most teams take the odds that we won’t lose the ball are a lot better than getting it forward at first opportunity.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And with all due respect you can't tell me you watch other teams week in week out enough to say whether are they are arsing around at the back or not

You certainly can. Take Russell Martin’s teams at Rangers and Southampton.

Southampton got absolutely torn to shreds.

 

[covcity4life]

You certainly can. Take Russell Martin’s teams at Rangers and Southampton.

Southampton got absolutely torn to shreds.

They got promoted

If your gonna say that's no achievement with good players you can't then use relegation against him with a weak squad in prem compared to those that stayed up

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On the playing out from the back thing. I read an article that this a modern day phenomena. It was noted that statistically hoofing the ball forward led to a goal for the opposition more often than not.

it turned into the playing out from the back. Now I always look at this as something realistically only the top teams could do as it requires elite concentration and control.

not a fan of it myself, but most teams take the odds that we won’t lose the ball are a lot better than getting it forward at first opportunity.

It’s not the idea but the tempo. Passing it around the keeper and defence for long spells leaves you with the opposition set in place and tough to break down. If each player takes one or two touches before passing and does so up the pitch, you can play through the lines without hoofing it.

At the same time, you need more than one route to goal. So we also have players carrying the ball forwards, playing diagonals or going over the top. And this season we’re doing all of this at a higher tempo with players making clever runs off the ball.

Pass and move

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

They got promoted

If your gonna say that's no achievement with good players you can't then use relegation against him with a weak squad in prem compared to those that stayed up

They weren’t only relegated they were on course to break Derby’s record

 

[covcity4life]

They weren’t only relegated they were on course to break Derby’s record

No different to playing dinosaur and still going down like Luton ultimately

As I said before that season will have taught him lessons and he is his own man. If he doesn't wanna rip it up and do something completely different I respect that and that's all

I ecnever said he's best manager ever. I said I respect him sticking to philosophy

 

[David O'Day]

Top manager maybe not but he's not shite either as managers like mowbray failed at Celtic but are well regarded in the game so lennons achievements are more than enough not to be ridiculed

That's my only point. Keyboard warriors saying how shit everyone is even when they have achieved stuff

Lennon was lucky to inherit Rodgers first double treble winning side and it got worse and worse each year he was in charge.

His league titles in the first spell were 1 when rangers has a points deduction and then the rest where when Rangers were liquidated and the new version of them had to start in the bottom tier.

It's not "keyboard warrior" behaviour to point out you are wrong, no one is threatening you are they,

 

[David O'Day]

With respect the opposite is happening buddy.

You can surely see the difference between how we’re playing this season and last? The ball is getting up the pitch at a faster rate. The same is true even of Man City this season.

The king of tika taka Pep has even said his old style doesn't work any more. Team have learnt how to press better and it does work anywhere near as much as it did.

Also people seem seem to not grasp that Tiki Taka is actually a defensive idea, the idea was if the other team doesn't have the ball they can't score and you then back your players to be good enough to eventually score. It's a system only designed to work at the bets of teams.

 

[covcity4life]

The king of tika taka Pep has even said his old style doesn't work any more. Team have learnt how to press better and it does work anywhere near as much as it did.

Also people seem seem to not grasp that Tiki Taka is actually a defensive idea, the idea was if the other team doesn't have the ball they can't score and you then back your players to be good enough to eventually score. It's a system only designed to work at the bets of teams.

Did he win leagues yes?

Did he beat Barca fucking lona? Yes

So he ain't shit wether you rate him as particularly good or not

You talk like an expert sorry but your just a tribalistic Celtic fan. I know more about Celtic than you clearly

Pipe down and let the neutrals talk

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Did he win leagues yes?

Did he beat Barca fucking lona? Yes

So he ain't shit wether you rate him as particularly good or not

You talk like an expert sorry but your just a tribalistic Celtic fan. I know more about Celtic than you clearly

Pipe down and let the neutrals talk

Wasn’t that Barca win the famous 11% possession game where Barca had like 40 shots. Thats not a tactical masterclass - that’s lucky

Lennon’s career post Celtic would suggest that he was very lucky with the squad and situation he inherited

 

[David O'Day]

Did he win leagues yes?

Did he beat Barca fucking lona? Yes

So he ain't shit wether you rate him as particularly good or not

You talk like an expert sorry but your just a tribalistic Celtic fan. I know more about Celtic than you clearly

Pipe down and let the neutrals talk

He won leagues when his team was fucking a million times better than fucking Aberdeen

Yes he beat Barca in a pretty flukey result.

Look mate, I know more about fucking Celtic football club and the quality of their managers than you.

If I was being "tribalistic" KI'd be saying he was better than he was. If you don't understand the word tribalistic then god help any kids you "teach".

 

[David O'Day]

Wasn’t that Barca win the famous 11% possession game where Barca had like 40 shots. Thats not a tactical masterclass - that’s lucky

Lennon’s career post Celtic would suggest that he was very lucky with the squad and situation he inherited

Mate, I'm a Celtic fan and I have said we were lucky that night. One header from a corner by Wanyama and a break away near the end from Tony Watt.

He's dug himself into a hole and he is windmilling his way out.

 

[David O'Day]

The brilliant manager Neil Lennon is currently manager of Scottish Championship team Dunfermline Athletic.

The home of good managers.

 

[covcity4life]

Wasn’t that Barca win the famous 11% possession game where Barca had like 40 shots. Thats not a tactical masterclass - that’s lucky

Lennon’s career post Celtic would suggest that he was very lucky with the squad and situation he inherited

Possession don't mean anything these days right?



Right?!!!

 

[covcity4life]

The brilliant manager Neil Lennon is currently manager of Scottish Championship team Dunfermline Athletic.

The home of good managers.

Who said he was brilliant? Well done for proving my point about black and white thinking

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Possession don't mean anything these days right?



Right?!!!

No it doesn’t but in that game - Barca were camped in front of Celtics box. It was one of those games where for some reason it just didn’t drop for Barca

 

[covcity4life]

No it doesn’t but in that game - Barca were camped in front of Celtics box. It was one of those games where for some reason it just didn’t drop for Barca

It was a great victory mate. In a great atmosphere.

Enjoy life

 

[David O'Day]

Who said he was brilliant? Well done for proving my point about black and white thinking

You fail to understand the point I made.

Well done for once again not understanding anything people have said.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It was a great victory mate. In a great atmosphere.

Enjoy life

Never said it wasn’t a great victory - just that it completely defied logic, and you play that same game 100 times 99 times barca win 7/8-0

 

[covcity4life]

You fail to understand the point I made.

Well done for once again not understanding anything people have said.

Haha it's always people not understanding when your caught out

Do you need me to also give examples of how tribalism isn't always about being positive about your manager?

 

[David O'Day]

No it doesn’t but in that game - Barca were camped in front of Celtics box. It was one of those games where for some reason it just didn’t drop for Barca

 

[covcity4life]

Never said it wasn’t a great victory - just that it completely defied logic, and you play that same game 100 times 99 times barca win 7/8-0

We shall never know. We shall never know

 

[David O'Day]

We shall never know. We shall never know

Care to explain how it is "tribalistic" of me as Celtic fan to say Neil Lennon wasn't a good manager?

 

[covcity4life]

Care to explain how it is "tribalistic" of me as Celtic fan to say Neil Lennon wasn't a good manager?

Depends on the motive doesn't it?

Were fucking celtic one of the best clubs in the world we need to play better than this or a different style where we have more shots Vs Barcelona or we need the elite managers not this guy etc

Don't even try to argue the above isn't a valid example of tribalism

Consider yourself taught

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Depends on the motive doesn't it?

Were fucking celtic one of the best clubs in the world we need to play better than this or a different style where we have more shots Vs Barcelona or we need the elite managers not this guy etc

Don't even try to argue the above isn't a valid example of tribalism

Consider yourself taught

 

[David O'Day]

Depends on the motive doesn't it?

Were fucking celtic one of the best clubs in the world we need to play better than this or a different style where we have more shots Vs Barcelona or we need the elite managers not this guy etc

Don't even try to argue the above isn't a valid example of tribalism

Consider yourself taught

it's really not is it, that's not tribalism and that isn't what I'm doing is it. i'm simply being realistic about the ability of a former celtic manager

you've tied yourself up in knots and are just windmilling now

 

[rob9872]

you've tied yourself up in knots and are just windmilling now

Tbf that would be fekkin impressive by anyone's standards!

 

[David O'Day]

Tbf that would be fekkin impressive by anyone's standards!

i'm impressed today, he's invented a new type of "tribalism" where you downplay some of a team you supports greatest successes.

 

[covcity4life]

Lol love it when I've clearly won and I can tell I've ruined someone's day because of it

You can have last word you massive Celtic fan you.

 

[David O'Day]

Lol love it when I've clearly won and I can tell I've ruined someone's day because of it

You can have last word you massive Celtic fan you.

Keep telling yourself that, soon you'll be claiming it was your cousin who was a bit thick and doesn't understand what "tribalism" means.

Consider yourself "taught" and let the non stupid people talk

Mate, claiming it is "tribalist" to say as a Celtic fan Celtic were lucky to beat Barca is one of the greatest mentalist moments I have seen on here, so fair play for that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Lol love it when I've clearly won and I can tell I've ruined someone's day because of it

You can have last word you massive Celtic fan you.

Have you actually spent most of the school day debating football on the internet?

 

[rob9872]

Have you actually spent most of the school day debating football on the internet?

When you could have been having arguments about Israel or the Labour government - wasters!

 

[David O'Day]

Have you actually spent most of the school day debating football on the internet?

Debating is a strong word.