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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #316
TomRad85 said:
I think you'd have to merge English and Scottish football entirely to do that. I have some ideas on how to do that fairly but I'm not going to bother writing a load of paragraphs that are probably cobblers on here.
Needless to say it benefits the Scottish clubs way more to be in our league system than it does our clubs them being in it.
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Agree with the last bit, though that’s not a reason against doing it necessarily. Sending Plymouth up to Inverness for a fixture would be pretty entertaining anyway.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #317
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Difference is with us v Bournemouth we’re effectively in the same playing field.
Scottish football is shrinking into the ether. The standing of the football is dragging rangers and Celtic down with it.

as the world moves forward their will eventually be people more familiar with the Bournemouth’s than Rangers, therefore increasing the worldwide fanbase.
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Bournemouth are the epitome of a tinpot outfit who got lucky. They'll get it wrong at some point and beback in the lower end of the Championship.
Not sure even many of their deluded support would think they're going to develop a worldwide fanbase
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #318
clint van damme said:
Bournemouth are the epitome of a tinpot outfit who got lucky. They'll get it wrong at some point and beback in the lower end of the Championship.
Not sure even many of their deluded support would think they're going to develop a worldwide fanbase
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It’s more they develop it by association with the premier league - I agree their tinpot but currently their worldwide appeal will be bigger than the Scottish league
 

SkyBlueCV2

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #319
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Agree with the last bit, though that’s not a reason against doing it necessarily. Sending Plymouth up to Inverness for a fixture would be pretty entertaining anyway.
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Unfortunately, distance aside, I think there would be too much trouble (particularly on the political front) between fans. We've already seen how it kicked off between Sunderland and Celtic a few years ago. Rangers have had some incidents in England too, smashing places up, etc. Loyalist supporters would probably join forces or something.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #320
SkyBlueCV2 said:
Unfortunately, distance aside, I think there would be too much trouble (particularly on the political front) between fans. We've already seen how it kicked off between Sunderland and Celtic a few years ago. Rangers have had some incidents in England too, smashing places up, etc. Loyalist supporters would probably join forces or something.
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Money talks though, they’d bring a fair bit.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #321
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Money talks though, they’d bring a fair bit.
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What would they bring in that the premier league already doesn’t bring in?
 

TomRad85

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #322
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Money talks though, they’d bring a fair bit.
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Not relevant to the title of the thread at all but I'm in favour of more leagues merging to keep the quality higher and get more eyes on them. Really wanted that Dutch/Belgian league merger to go through.
 

SkyBlueCV2

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #323
clint van damme said:
Bournemouth are the epitome of a tinpot outfit who got lucky. They'll get it wrong at some point and beback in the lower end of the Championship.
Not sure even many of their deluded support would think they're going to develop a worldwide fanbase
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Don't tell that to Celtic fans in terms of being delusional. Their supporters often wrongly boast about how they could compete in the PL when they're on a little run of form, and yet didn't they recently lose to a club I've never even heard of in the CL? More confused than Rangers...
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #324
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
What would they bring in that the premier league already doesn’t bring in?
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Let’s be honest, Celtic in the top flight would be a far bigger ‘brand’ than Bournemouth, Brentford, Fulham or any of the other clubs I forget are top flight clubs. Same for Rangers.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #325
TomRad85 said:
Not relevant to the title of the thread at all but I'm in favour of more leagues merging to keep the quality higher and get more eyes on them. Really wanted that Dutch/Belgian league merger to go through.
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If it were up to me Britain would just be one country tbf, but that’s definitely for ranting like a loony in off topic, not here.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #326
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let’s be honest, Celtic in the top flight would be a far bigger ‘brand’ than Bournemouth, Brentford, Fulham or any of the other clubs I forget are top flight clubs. Same for Rangers.
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It's true but it's also a proper coping crutch for them. "If we were in the Prem with Prem money blah blah." Yeh well, you ain't... its proper if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle stuff.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #327
TomRad85 said:
It's true but it's also a proper coping crutch for them. "If we were in the Prem with Prem money blah blah." Yeh well, you ain't... it’s proper if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle stuff.
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I agree, but it’s a commercial reason to have them in the league system.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #328
SkyBlueCV2 said:
Don't tell that to Celtic fans in terms of being delusional. Their supporters often wrongly boast about how they could compete in the PL when they're on a little run of form, and yet didn't they recently lose to a club I've never even heard of in the CL? More confused than Rangers...
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No way. Rangers fans are more confused. They still think they are the same club they were before 2012.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #329
Ccfcisparks said:
No way. Rangers fans are more confused. They still think they are the same club they were before 2012.
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They don’t have this weird habit of pretending to be Irish as Celtic fans do, but that’s another debate too.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #330
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They don’t have this weird habit of pretending to be Irish as Celtic fans do, but that’s another debate too.
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Didn't you used to live up there or did I imagine this?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #331
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Let’s be honest, Celtic in the top flight would be a far bigger ‘brand’ than Bournemouth, Brentford, Fulham or any of the other clubs I forget are top flight clubs. Same for Rangers.
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But given the collective purchasing of the premier league rights - it doesn’t matter if it’s Celtic or Brentford.

SkyBlueCV2 said:
Don't tell that to Celtic fans in terms of being delusional. Their supporters often wrongly boast about how they could compete in the PL when they're on a little run of form, and yet didn't they recently lose to a club I've never even heard of in the CL? More confused than Rangers...
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They’d suffer the same issue as Newcastle - no matter how much money they have… no fucker wants to live up north
 

Shannerz

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #332
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I wouldn’t actually object to them entering our league system, we have enough Welsh clubs in the pyramid anyway.
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All the Welsh clubs in the pyramid have played in it since their inception, though. The Welsh league is comparatively new, and for years all Welsh clubs played in the English league system.

I would not want the two big Glasgow clubs in English football; they come with too much baggage.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #333
TomRad85 said:
Didn't you used to live up there or did I imagine this?
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Lived in Scotland for nearly a decade and my wife is Scottish also. Formerly an Aberdeen fan so we often watched them when they played in Dundee.

Some of the worst football I have ever seen, at least professional. Then some friends of mine who supported Dunfermline invited me to some of their games and it was a whole other level of shite. Great stadium food though, they do that better than we do.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #334
clint van damme said:
Cantwell only left rangers because he fell out with Clement.
So you've made a presumption that isn't true.

It doesn't bother me but if we heard, (and in the past we have heard), supporters of say, Bournemouth, who are a tinpot outfit who just managed to get on the Gravy train, talking about us in the same way, we'd rightly slate them
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Well said

Anyone trying to put down Rangers and Celtic is idiotic imo

They should be respected for their history and also worth bearing in mind if they ever got invited to English leagues they would challenge at the top

All this nonsense of their team is league 1 standard etc is just that nonsense. They would use the money to buy better players anyway

Would be on same level as spurs villa who were mentioned earlier within a few years
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #335
covcity4life said:
Well said

Anyone trying to put down Rangers and Celtic is idiotic imo

They should be respected for their history and also worth bearing in mind if they ever got invited to English leagues they would challenge at the top

All this nonsense of their team is league 1 standard etc is just that nonsense. They would use the money to buy better players anyway

Would be on same level as spurs villa who were mentioned earlier within a few years
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I’d counter that as above 1 they’d suffer from the same issues Newcastle have done.

history should be respected - but ultimately the last time both sides were relevant on the world stage barring 1 or 2 runs was 20 years ago.

there’s a generation of players who won’t recognise the standard of Scottish football and ultimately won’t care about their history. Celtics big moment was 60 years ago.

I’m not saying they wouldn’t be a good premier league side. But they’d struggle to break into the elite 6 clubs. Once European football becomes difficult to obtain it’ll come down to them over paying has been players, as the good ones will swerve them for the same money in better locations that Glasgow

At the moment they’re both stepping stones for the premier league. In fact - take Lampards situation. 20 years ago he jumps at the chance to go to rangers… now he prefers the bright lights of Coventry
 

Evo1883

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #336
Rangers and celtic are big clubs , but their history is littered with uncompetitive trophy wins , nobody gets excited about winning the scottish premier league in the same way nobody gets excited about malmo winning the swedish title , nobody gives a fuck in reality its a shit league

Before the 90s neither club pulled up trees with attendances either

Comparitably , the premier league big clubs dwarf them both in size
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #337
There have only ever been 19 seasons where rangers or celtic didnt win the league .. their over inflated opinions of themselves stem from this
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #338
Isn’t there an issue with UEFA and the leagues merging? I swear they got a bit jittery when we did team GB football in 2012 and that’s why it was just a one off.

Maybe a similar situation for Benelux.
 

covcity4life

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  • Oct 14, 2025
  • #339
Liquid Gold said:
Isn’t there an issue with UEFA and the leagues merging? I swear they got a bit jittery when we did team GB football in 2012 and that’s why it was just a one off.

Maybe a similar situation for Benelux.
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There was talk of merging the Dutch and Belgian leagues a few years ago to make a super league of sorts to help them compete.
 
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RedSalmon

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #340
Would be dead set against either Rangers or Celtic ever being allowed into any English division for plenty of reasons.
Firstly it would inevitably bring with it all the sectarian shite that follows both clubs to England and no doubt the violence that accompanies it. Seem to remember it was not that long ago that one of them played in Manchester and virtually trashed the place. Think every Police Chief up and down the country would object to it too.
Secondly for them to be accomedated in any division it would require two English teams to be relegated through no fault of their own, sell that one to the effected teams fans. Just imagine if Coventry were denied a place in the Premier League just so Rangers and Celtic could be slotted in!!
Thirdly could you imagine the response from Scottish fans and the SFA if the SPL were the same cash cow as the Premier League is and Arsenal and Spurs wanted to join? They would soon get told to f**k off, as we all know.
If I am utterly honest I do not care about Scottish Football, the SFA has had plenty of time to sort things out and make the SPL a more competitive league, they have consistantly failed to do so, I think before he became Coventry Manager Steven Pressley proposed some quite significant changes that were promptly ignored due the old guard at the SFA not wanting to give up any control.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #341
SkyBlueCV2 said:
Don't tell that to Celtic fans in terms of being delusional. Their supporters often wrongly boast about how they could compete in the PL when they're on a little run of form, and yet didn't they recently lose to a club I've never even heard of in the CL? More confused than Rangers...
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No they don't, what they actually say is given access to PL income streams a club with the support base of Celtic could compete in the PL. It's a very different thing, it is also an argument that could be made about Rangers.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #342
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
But given the collective purchasing of the premier league rights - it doesn’t matter if it’s Celtic or Brentford.


They’d suffer the same issue as Newcastle - no matter how much money they have… no fucker wants to live up north
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Glasgow is a lovely city to be fair, it's all like "Taggart"
 

alexccfc99

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #343
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I wouldn’t actually object to them entering our league system, we have enough Welsh clubs in the pyramid anyway. Would make for some cracking away days and Glasgow could easily support two top flight clubs.
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No thanks they can keep the archaic sectarian shite to themselves north of the border as far as I am concerned

Would like to see the fallout from the two sides, wherever they would be in the pyramid who were denied a promotion cause Rangers and Celtic have been parachuted in to the English game
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #344
alexccfc99 said:
No thanks they can keep the archaic sectarian shite to themselves north of the border as far as I am concerned

Would like to see the fallout from the two sides, wherever they would be in the pyramid who were denied a promotion cause Rangers and Celtic have been parachuted in to the English game
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Fuck knows why so many English football fans are so invested in either of them.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #345
Sick Boy said:
Fuck knows why so many English football fans are so invested in either of them.
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Because so many people have family ties to it.
Same as everyone from Cov I know in Australia gets their kids City stuff sent over and it will be the same for supporters of other teams the world over.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #346
David O'Day said:
No they don't, what they actually say is given access to PL income streams a club with the support base of Celtic could compete in the PL. It's a very different thing, it is also an argument that could be made about Rangers.
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Bournemouth are competing with PL income streams. Dorking Utd could compete in the PL with that level of income.

Put Celtic in L2 and Falkirk in the PL and Falkirk will be a bigger club in a decade.
 

David O'Day

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #347
Liquid Gold said:
Bournemouth are competing with PL income streams. Dorking Utd could compete in the PL with that level of income.

Put Celtic in L2 and Falkirk in the PL and Falkirk will be a bigger club in a decade.
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Not the point that was being made, it's the PL income plus the already very, very large fan base and the income that they get from that.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #348
clint van damme said:
Because so many people have family ties to it.
Same as everyone from Cov I know in Australia gets their kids City stuff sent over and it will be the same for supporters of other teams the world over.
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Glasgow must have a massive diaspora then!
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #349
Sick Boy said:
Glasgow must have a massive diaspora then!
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Well Scotland has, and of course, Ireland.
And thats a massive part of the history of the city.
People might think its ridiculous, but it's a fact.

Fairly sure you're close to your Irish roots, it's much the same for them up there, they just happen to have football teams!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 16, 2025
  • #350
clint van damme said:
Well Scotland has, and of course, Ireland.
And thats a massive part of the history of the city.
People might think its ridiculous, but it's a fact.

Fairly sure you're close to your Irish roots, it's much the same for them up there, they just happen to have football teams!
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I’m being slightly tongue in cheek…my main problem with it is the inevitable sectarianism.
 
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