Please God don't let Kevin Kilbane play for us ever again (1 Viewer)

LJC_CCFC · Oct 7, 2012

Kevin Kilbane has started eight games being taken off once, in those eight league starts he has been awful. Callum Ball hasn't started a game this season, the most he has played was the 45 minutes on Saturday. Before then he was getting 10 minutes at the end of games. Therefore I've seen enough of Kilbane to know he is surplus to requirements as Hussey can be reserve left back. As for Ball I didn't write him off, I just stated he was overweight and unfit which he was. Robins is getting him fitter, which was clear on Saturday as he looked more mobile. At the end of the day would you rather keep Kilbane on the wage bill, or get rid and bring in an young hungry player who doesn't see the move as a nice little retirement package.

LJC_CCFC · Oct 7, 2012

WestEndAgro said:
Nothing to do with him just being shit then ?

Exactly, can any fan who has seen him play this season truthfully say they want him back in the team

shy_tall_knight · Oct 7, 2012

I think KK is a spent force. Looking at his stats his career was over when hull transferred him to Huddersfield in Jan 2011, although they were challenging for promotion and he was a regular it is still the third division of English football. He had a serious back injury at derby and missed most of last season but he was no longer a regular in their team. IMO he has always been a limited footballer but with a great workrate and stamina. As he has got older the mind may bestill willing but the body isn't. Can't think of a position where he would be suitable for us currently.

WestEndAgro · Oct 7, 2012

shy_tall_knight said:
I think KK is a spent force. Looking at his stats his career was over when hull transferred him to Huddersfield in Jan 2011, although they were challenging for promotion and he was a regular it is still the third division of English football. He had a serious back injury at derby and missed most of last season but he was no longer a regular in their team. IMO he has always been a limited footballer but with a great workrate and stamina. As he has got older the mind may bestill willing but the body isn't. Can't think of a position where he would be suitable for us currently.

Impossible to argue with any of this, I couldn't have put it better, so won't !

psgm1 · Oct 8, 2012

covcity4life said:
He could improve under robins?

How? He has been a premier league player for around a decade!

I wish people would saying such assernine comments. If a player hasn't learnt his trade by mid 20's he will NEVER learn! Same goes for Baker 29, Hussey (23), Cody (26), and jennings (27). I'm sure there are more, but you get my point.

There is only so much turd polishing Robins can possibly do. He needs to have a total clearout and start again.

Which considering maggot claimed every manager said their was quality throughout I find to be at least a stretch of the truth and at worst a downright lie.

psgm1 · Oct 8, 2012

hill83 said:
So do you now know that you can't write a player off after 4/5 games? Or are you on a wind up.

Football scouts do it all the time! So yes you can, and they do all the time.!!!

covcity4life · Oct 8, 2012

psgm1 said:
How? He has been a premier league player for around a decade!

I wish people would saying such assernine comments. If a player hasn't learnt his trade by mid 20's he will NEVER learn! Same goes for Baker 29, Hussey (23), Cody (26), and jennings (27). I'm sure there are more, but you get my point.

There is only so much turd polishing Robins can possibly do. He needs to have a total clearout and start again.

Which considering maggot claimed every manager said their was quality throughout I find to be at least a stretch of the truth and at worst a downright lie.

many people believe that baker has improved under robins.....

hill83 · Oct 8, 2012

psgm1 said:
Football scouts do it all the time! So yes you can, and they do all the time.!!!

Obviously a professional scout can, but you and your negative buddy can't, because you know fuck all really, lets be honest. He MIGHT, improve, he's only 35, he's played over 100 international games, and he hasn't been that bad.
Like I said before, it's unlikely, it's not a case of improvement like he's suddenly going to have pace. He is obviously talented, he's played about 8 games for us? It's an entirely different thing to Malaga, who has never achieved anything.

torchomatic · Oct 8, 2012

Remind me how many people were complaining after his last minute penalty and his strike against Birmingham?

Grendel · Oct 8, 2012

torchomatic said:
Remind me how many people were complaining after his last minute penalty and his strike against Birmingham?

No one. The thread title makes me uncomfortable. He shows commitment. For some reason when older players struggle they get far more stick than others. There are numerous examples at this club. He hasn't been great but not as bad as some.

LJC_CCFC · Oct 8, 2012

Grendel said:
No one. The thread title makes me uncomfortable. He shows commitment. For some reason when older players struggle they get far more stick than others. There are numerous examples at this club. He hasn't been great but not as bad as some.

Oh dear, he has been the worst player this season

WestEndAgro · Oct 8, 2012

Grendel said:
No one. The thread title makes me uncomfortable. He shows commitment. For some reason when older players struggle they get far more stick than others. There are numerous examples at this club. He hasn't been great but not as bad as some.

Name one player who has been worse considering Kilbanes supposed QUALITY

Grendel · Oct 8, 2012

LJC_CCFC said:
Oh dear, he has been the worst player this season

Is that a factual statement based off some form of statistical analysis or just your view?

Grendel · Oct 8, 2012

WestEndAgro said:
Name one player who has been worse considering Kilbanes supposed QUALITY

Define worse - pass completion ratio, tackles made and won - what is the definition?

WestEndAgro · Oct 8, 2012

Grendel said:
Define worse - pass completion ratio, tackles made and won - what is the definition?

Adequate fitness, pace, desire, ability, Kilbane offers none of these, and I could probably add a dozen more if I could be bothered, in a nut shell he is beyond useless. Just my opinion though.

Grendel · Oct 8, 2012

WestEndAgro said:
Adequate fitness, pace, desire, ability, Kilbane offers none of these, and I could probably add a dozen more if I could be bothered, in a nut shell he is beyond useless. Just my opinion though.

As you say your opinion and ultimately subjective.

LJC_CCFC · Oct 8, 2012

Grendel said:
Is that a factual statement based off some form of statistical analysis or just your view?

Do you actually think he's been good?

Grendel · Oct 8, 2012

LJC_CCFC said:
Do you actually think he's been good?

He has been average - no worse and no better than the majority of players his season. He has been singled out due to age and I assume expectancy. There are many examples of this in the past.
David Bell is another singled out as he has been handed what many perceive a contract that is far too generous.
He is judged not just by performance but because there is a suspicion he is here because he needs one last payday.

fernandopartridge · Oct 8, 2012

WestEndAgro said:
Name one player who has been worse considering Kilbanes supposed QUALITY

Wood has been easily the worst player this season. McSheffrey, Jennings, Hussey and Brown have all been worse. All have supposed quality of sorts.

LJC_CCFC · Oct 8, 2012

Grendel said:
He has been average - no worse and no better than the majority of players his season. He has been singled out due to age and I assume expectancy. There are many examples of this in the past.
David Bell is another singled out as he has been handed what many perceive a contract that is far too generous.
He is judged not just by performance but because there is a suspicion he is here because he needs one last payday.

Bell has played a handful of good games for us and has scored a couple of stunning goals, but in general been rubbish. If both Bell and Kilbane had played well consistently then I wouldn't care what contract/wages they get, the fact is that they are not good enough so I would rather see the money spent elsewhere

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