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Magwitch

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #211
Ccfcisparks said:
Other than Hamer I struggle to find a player we have that could get in their side.
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So a draw was a good result then ?
 
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cc84cov

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #212
skyblue1991 said:
We knew this season was going to be struggle. We just want to stay up and currently we are doing that.

Yes I think we could be playing better and griding out results (Friday being an operative example) but we are where we are.

A lot of goals we have given away have been silly errors (mis-placed passes, penalties). Other than a couple of games this season we haven't been ran ragged.

Stick with Robins. I don't think we should be sacking him even if we are relegated to League 1. I personally think we will stay up but that is on the basis that we stop the above.
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Most on here didn’t think it would be a struggle a lot felt we would be challenging
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #213
Magwitch said:
So a draw was a good result then ?
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In isolation

The real issue is the cost of relegation. There is an immediate hit of over £3 million in TV money. We’d struggle to retain our better players - and probably would need to sell anyway to plug gaps in finance. Therefore hamer, walker (and or Godden) O Hare etc will attract interest

At the same time we’ve got players like Kastaneer and Hillsner in contract and nowhere near good enough. As things stand he has players he signed he has frozen out.

It’s very doubtful we’d get back again. Out finances and impact if playing out of the city will have a massive impact

We also have no obvious young players we can sell for significant money

It’s absurd to even not try and avoid relegation if it’s concluded a manager change May at some point kick start some results
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #214
cc84cov said:
Most on here didn’t think it would be a struggle a lot felt we would be challenging
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I suggest you read the expectations thread.
 

Wyken Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #215
Grendel said:
In isolation

The real issue is the cost of relegation. There is an immediate hit of over £3 million in TV money. We’d struggle to retain our better players - and probably would need to sell anyway to plug gaps in finance. Therefore hamer, walker (and or Godden) O Hare etc will attract interest

At the same time we’ve got players like Kastaneer and Hillsner in contract and nowhere near good enough. As things stand he has players he signed he has frozen out.

It’s very doubtful we’d get back again. Out finances and impact if playing out of the city will have a massive impact

We also have no obvious young players we can sell for significant money

It’s absurd to even not try and avoid relegation if it’s concluded a manager change May at some point kick start some results
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What do you think needs to happen in order for us to stay up. Do you want Robins sacked and if so who would you bring in? Do you want us to sign players in January? Do you want things to reamin as they are in the hope the amanager and squad wil pick up results?
 

Wyken Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #216
cc84cov said:
Most on here didn’t think it would be a struggle a lot felt we would be challenging
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That's just plain riddiculous.

The gulf between League 1 and the Championship is massive, I would say bigger than betwen the Championship and the Premier League relatviely speaking.
 

harvey098

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #217
I honestly hate some of our fans at times. The people calling for his head now are the same people that will be looking at the playoffs after one win. Reactionary nonsense.

He’s just promoted us to the championship against all the odds and people are talking about his job security after 12 games. We’re only here because of him. Even if it’s for 1 season be thankful to him for it.
 
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DionDublinsJockstrap

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #218
Mark Robins has been the saviour of this club. To be suggesting he be replaced is puerile. Even if we got relegated I wouldn’t sack him. The impact on the players would be massive (and not in a good way). The time to sack him would be relegation and if we struggled in League 1. Just think you couldn’t separate us and Notts County 3 seasons ago. A massive thank you and support for Mark
 
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gazza

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #219
Didn’t some of our fans want rid of him this time last season?
 
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higgs

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #220
harvey098 said:
I honestly hate some of our fans at times. The people calling for his head now are the same people that will be looking at the playoffs after one win. Reactionary nonsense.

He’s just promoted us to the championship against all the odds and people are talking about his job security after 12 games. We’re only here because of him. Even if it’s for 1 season be thankful to him for it.
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We can never thank him enough for what he has done for our club

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Magwitch

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #221
Grendel said:
In isolation

The real issue is the cost of relegation. There is an immediate hit of over £3 million in TV money. We’d struggle to retain our better players - and probably would need to sell anyway to plug gaps in finance. Therefore hamer, walker (and or Godden) O Hare etc will attract interest

At the same time we’ve got players like Kastaneer and Hillsner in contract and nowhere near good enough. As things stand he has players he signed he has frozen out.

It’s very doubtful we’d get back again. Out finances and impact if playing out of the city will have a massive impact

We also have no obvious young pla financial hit and potential loss yers we can sell for significant money

It’s absurd to even not try and avoid relegation if it’s concluded a manager change May at some point kick start some results
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Parts of what you say are true. the financial hit, loss of some of our better players etc, etc. in fairness we have to see what Hilsner offers but take your point. But then that beggars the question should our owner allow extra funds for the January window to help preserve our championship status, doesn’t have to be transfer fees but two or three quality loans which will obviously cost us wage wise but perhaps give the experience needed to our young squad.
But I fear with our current owner our league status doesn’t bother her.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #222
Magwitch said:
Parts of what you say are true. the financial hit, loss of some of our better players etc, etc. in fairness we have to see what Hilsner offers but take your point. But then that beggars the question should our owner allow extra funds for the January window to help preserve our championship status, doesn’t have to be transfer fees but two or three quality loans which will obviously cost us wage wise but perhaps give the experience needed to our young squad.
But I fear with our current owner our league status doesn’t bother her.
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We already have 4 regular loans in the team
 
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Magwitch

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #223
Yes and that’s a possible problem but I think might be wrong you are allowed more loans but can only have five in the match day squad at one time for me it’s a question of needs be. I know we have Osti, Giles and Sheaf can’t think who the other is
 
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Magwitch

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #224
Just remembered McCallum
 
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Magwitch

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #225
In question to the four loans we have we could complete the £750k Sheaf deal which to me is an investment, and then we can play another two loanees, I’d try for Giles too if the price was right.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #226
Magwitch said:
In question to the four loans we have we could complete the £750k Sheaf deal which to me is an investment, and then we can play another two loanees, I’d try for Giles too if the price was right.
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It’d be bonkers to spend that much on Sheaf with survival in the balance, there’s a reason why we put that clause in.
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #227
This is a pointless thread. There is not a chance in hell that MR will be sacked.

Not only that, but what would we do with the flag with MR wearing the burger king crown?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #228
Legia Sky Blue said:
This is a pointless thread. There is not a chance in hell that MR will be sacked.

Not only that, but what would we do with the flag with MR wearing the burger king crown?
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Put Lee Burge on it and take off the R
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #229
Magwitch said:
In question to the four loans we have we could complete the £750k Sheaf deal which to me is an investment, and then we can play another two loanees, I’d try for Giles too if the price was right.
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they are loans this season
 
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Magwitch

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #230
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It’d be bonkers to spend that much on Sheaf with survival in the balance, there’s a reason why we put that clause in.
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I believe that deal is set up, you might call it bonkers that’s your opinion but imo Sheaf has demonstrated he is capable at this level and still learning and gaining experience so getting that dosh back I’d think wouldn’t be a problem, but whatever, we need new blood, we could sell and invest, do loans or both but imo they need to be experienced which will cost, for that to happen is down to our owner.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #231
Magwitch said:
I believe that deal is set up, you might call it bonkers that’s your opinion but imo Sheaf has demonstrated he is capable at this level and still learning and gaining experience so getting that dosh back I’d think wouldn’t be a problem, but whatever, we need new blood, we could sell and invest, do loans or both but imo they need to be experienced which will cost, for that to happen is down to our owner.
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The deal is rightly structured so we only buy him if we stay up. If we’re going to drop £750k this season I’d sooner it be on a 3rd striker or reinforcement at the back.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #232
Magwitch said:
I believe that deal is set up, you might call it bonkers that’s your opinion but imo Sheaf has demonstrated he is capable at this level and still learning and gaining experience so getting that dosh back I’d think wouldn’t be a problem, but whatever, we need new blood, we could sell and invest, do loans or both but imo they need to be experienced which will cost, for that to happen is down to our owner.
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we can only have 1 loan to play - robins actual signings in the summer other than Hamer have not improved the squad

What if they trust him and loan more money and we still go down. Then what?
 
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #233
Grendel said:
How did clubs like Barnsley and Luton survive last season then?
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Barnsley had less points than we currently have at the same stage last season
Championship League Table on 19 October 2019
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #234
Grendel said:
we can only have 1 loan to play - robins actual signings in the summer other than Hamer have not improved the squad

What if they trust him and loan more money and we still go down. Then what?
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Not even Walker?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #235
steve cooper said:
Barnsley had less points than we currently have at the same stage last season
Championship League Table on 19 October 2019
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Indeed what changed?
 

cc84cov

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #236
Grendel said:
Indeed what changed?
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The manager
 
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steve cooper

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #237
Barnsley took 15 points from the last 10 games last season, that's how they stayed up
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #238
steve cooper said:
Barnsley took 15 points from the last 10 games last season, that's how they stayed up
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With a new manager
 

Tommo1993

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #239
With a big helping hand from Wigan too...
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #240
The other thing of course no one seems to mention is would robins stay for that long

His track record aside from us is on a par with Russel Slade and any success easily gets forgotten.

Relegated and then mid table next year he’s looking like a manager on the decline and a Nathan Jones type who succeeds only at one club
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #241
Grendel said:
With a new manager
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And a 12 point deduction, which granted was the case this season till it was halved
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #242
Grendel said:
Indeed what changed?
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said yesterday they then remained in the relegation zone under Struber longer than they were under Stendel, only a late run got them out but using the sacking the manager logic Struber should have gone before he had the chance to save them.
 
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steve cooper

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #243
Luton did even better and took 17 points from the last 10 games, post-lockdown.
The lockdown and how it affected things is a massive clue to how they both stayed up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #244
Grendel said:
The other thing of course no one seems to mention is would robins stay for that long

His track record aside from us is on a par with Russel Slade and any success easily gets forgotten.

Relegated and then mid table next year he’s looking like a manager on the decline and a Nathan Jones type who succeeds only at one club
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Your man Jackett has failed to get out of League 1 two seasons on the spin and looking like three
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 22, 2020
  • #245
Grendel said:
With a new manager
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Struber took over in November and he still had Barnsley rock bottom in March.
 
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