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We shouldn't ever forget that either. SISU Out is still a perfectly reasonable aspiration.
We shouldn't ever forget that either. SISU Out is still a perfectly reasonable aspiration.There's plenty of legitimate things to criticise the owners over.
What are they as you see them!We shouldn't ever forget that either. SISU Out is still a perfectly reasonable aspiration.
You want a lunch hour of everyone going round in circles...?What are they as you see them!
Can you name names?It's interesting that you use the phrase 'people commenting on the game' to describe people who are usually ranting and raving a our Robins or certain players. But they're not moaning. Just commenting.
No just you I value your opinion lots. Before 3.15 would be good. I’ve got my ownYou want a lunch hour of everyone going round in circles...?
Including, but not limited to:No just you I value your opinion lots. Before 3.15 would be good. I’ve got my own
Including, but not limited to:
Prioritising profit over club welfare. Clubs always struggle if the aim is commercial above everything else. Even the likes of Liverpool (hedge fund owned!) have understood the value of their club's heritage, and have decided to protect that in terms of Anfield etc. Clubs aren't solely commercial, they're social, too. They've ramped that up, and are prepared to play with emotions and use fan loyalty as a commodity.
Thinking short term instead of long term for much of the time. hence spunking loads of cash on players when coming in, instead of building foundations of the club. This tbf has improved, but the rhetoric about new ground is still just that, and our training ground is constantly under threat while it has a charge on it.
Misleading, deliberately confusing and oblique statements designed to divide and cause friction.
Presiding over the club's worst ever league position.
However you look at it, they've alienated and antagonised a great swathe of fans. Moving beyond fans, they've tended to alienate just about everybody they've come in contact with! As trends go, that's a worrying one.
We can share out the blame game, but it's it's clear SISU have contributed towards the conditions that have seen us leave our home city twice.
Not understanding the culture of football, and what it means to people.
Just have a look at any match thread where we are not winning. (Lincoln match thread even though we won). Rochdale wasn't so bad but virtually any match thread before that game. Plenty of moans.Can you name names?
I think this is more a long term goal. Get Wasps to drop the indemnity, agree our return for Short-medium term, the push SISU on a new ground or fuck off.We shouldn't ever forget that either. SISU Out is still a perfectly reasonable aspiration.
I still cant see where I've said they personally trouser millions though.Obviously not.
So no thenJust have a look at any match thread where we are not winning. (Lincoln match thread even though we won). Rochdale wasn't so bad but virtually any match thread before that game. Plenty of moans.
Like it or not, it's not balanced to constantly blame everyone bar our owners, or indeed compare them to fucking Owen Oyston.
They really haven't created a successful club, they've taken it to its lowest ever level - so low it can start to win a few games.
The youth policy and buying from below is nothing new either. The manager's succeeding despite the owners, not because of.
My finger is shaking over the like button, the coventarian saying something reasonable!Its because they're clueless idiots. My hatred for our owners is well known on here but even I know they've not siphoned millions out to their own personal bank accounts :banghead:
So yes then. Just look and see. You know the sort of moany comments about Robins and some of the players that are there.So no then
I’m not saying SISU are saints. They clearly aren’t but if you think they haven’t done anything positive, you’re just plain wrong.
took us over in the championship in coventry. Now in league one, with a chance of going up, but left coventry twice and no sign of going back.
Agreed, they aren't saints.
*Despite their own fuck ups and a Council that has consistently worked against them at every turn.
They did, didn't they?don't disagree, not sure why the club aren't calling out the council if they haven't identified a site that would likely get building permission
Not sure Mark robins would agree with thatLike it or not, it's not balanced to constantly blame everyone bar our owners, or indeed compare them to fucking Owen Oyston.
They really haven't created a successful club, they've taken it to its lowest ever level - so low it can start to win a few games.
The youth policy and buying from below is nothing new either. The manager's succeeding despite the owners, not because of.
Not sure Mark robins would agree with that
And that is what seems to be ignored, there are others with crap on their hands but it is this owner and this chairman who have led us out of our city TWICE, the first time before our ground was sold and no sign of coming back or a concrete proposal of any new ground.But left coventry twice and no sign of going back.
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Not sure Mark robins would agree with that
I do think he is due more credit and I’m sure Sisu agree but to give no credit to them for the last 2 years seems unfairyou think SISU have created a successful club?? What division were we in when they bought us? Where are we now?
Mark may not agree in public, but in private, he may think that a lot of our recent upturn is down to him....
having a good financial model is important of course, but how many fans would accept that if we were battling relegation.
Sisu have changed, but who brought about that change? Robins left once and came back only on his terms.
I think you should credit him with our success far more than the owners
you think SISU have created a successful club?? What division were we in when they bought us? Where are we now?
Mark may not agree in public, but in private, he may think that a lot of our recent upturn is down to him....
having a good financial model is important of course, but how many fans would accept that if we were battling relegation.
Sisu have changed, but who brought about that change? Robins left once and came back only on his terms.
I think you should credit him with our success far more than the owners
I agree with your sentiment but Sisu are not the only ones responsible for the whole 'where were we when they bought us/where are we now' argument. There's quite clearly a few parties who contributed to our freefall down the leagues, starting with the likes of Bryan Richardson, Mike McGinnity etc.
Granted, Sisu greased the slide but to blame them solely is not fair/correct.
Fair comment as alwaysHow far back do you go? Jimmy Hill removing the wage cap? Collapse of ITV digital? Rupert Murdoch?
When you run anything the buck stops with you. Rule one of management. They knew what they were getting into and have wiped the slate clean since then anyway.
I do think he is due more credit and I’m sure Sisu agree but to give no credit to them for the last 2 years seems unfair
Trust long term aim in their minutes is to remove Sisu. I’d prefer our owners communicated with the fans and told us their plans and listened to our ideas and passions and sought ways to work togetherDon’t you think it’s intriguing that NW and Olderskyblue were recently canvassing for the Skyblue Trust? Telling us how wrong we were about them, how they aren’t a closed shop and how we all needed to raise our heads above the parapet?
On the subject of ownership, it doesn’t matter to some what’s been achieved. The argument regarding ‘where we were’ when SISU took over is actually quite interesting...cuz;
WE WERE IN THE SHIT...oh, and because of poor ownership.
We were only in the Championship because we had spent way above our means to try and stay in the Premiership, only to get relegated and spend more on dickheads like Hughes (£5m and £15k a week) to try and get back...and not even make the fucking playoffs.
People talk like we were on some upward ark, we were sleeping giants. Were we fuck. Our business plan at the time SISU rocked up had us headed to the basement or out of business.
Now. Did SISU fuck-up from here. Absofuckinglutely
But, whether by design, by accident, by learning or by all three...they have been involved with turning things around (on the pitch) and during the most difficult times in our history (some created).
Mark Robins clearly has a good relationship with ownership. They seem to have good communication. That’s a good thing in anyone’s book.... unless, apparently, you hate SISU and your agenda is to want them out at all costs.
Interesting
Fair comment as always
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