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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,891
Has he gone yet.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,892
Hobo said:
Not necessarilly when your stock is high as a player. Take a new contract and a pay rise with a release clause that suits you. The increased pay rise and extended contract raises their bargaining position.

Mediocre players on the other hand are better off winding contracts down and becoming free agents.
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Why would either take a new contract when they'd probably prefer a move elsewhere?
 

slowpoke

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,893
SBAndy said:
At least one will go in January.
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Christ does that mean another 6 months of rumour and speculation
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,894
letsallsingtogether said:
Has he gone yet.
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Where he hasnt gone is to Walsall
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,895
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Why would either take a new contract when they'd probably prefer a move elsewhere?
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Security, what if they got a bad injury in the last month of the contract, it happened to somebody like Gary Ablett he didn’t sign the contract and then got a bad injury and he had nothing.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,896
Is KenilworthSkyBlue his agent? Laser focus on this thread.
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,897
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Why would either take a new contract when they'd probably prefer a move elsewhere?
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Try reading and digesting the post.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,898
Hobo said:
Try reading and digesting the post.
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Your post doesn't make sense? Given me an example of a player that has actually done that.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,899
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Security, what if they got a bad injury in the last month of the contract, it happened to somebody like Gary Ablett he didn’t sign the contract and then got a bad injury and he had nothing.
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Do most players looking to further their career really think like that though? On that basis every sought after player with one year remaining on their current deal would sign a new contract.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jul 19, 2022
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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Do most players looking to further their career really think like that though? On that basis every sought after player with one year remaining on their current deal would sign a new contract.
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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Do most players looking to further their career really think like that though? On that basis every sought after player with one year remaining on their current deal would sign a new contract.
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I guess it will depend how financially secure they are
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,901
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I guess it will depend how financially secure they are
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As shown by O'Hare's rumoured contract offers, the offers Gyokeres and Hamer would receive probably would be double, if not triple, what they are on here. I think they'd be pretty set financially.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,902
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Do most players looking to further their career really think like that though? On that basis every sought after player with one year remaining on their current deal would sign a new contract.
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Depends if said contract has a sell on Clause which somehow gets leaked
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,903
slowpoke said:
Bloody hell if we get promoted we will need about 25 new signings then.
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Forest have recruited about as well as they can. Use loans where you need and take decent players from the Championship and foreign top flights.
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Security, what if they got a bad injury in the last month of the contract, it happened to somebody like Gary Ablett he didn’t sign the contract and then got a bad injury and he had nothing.
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Well the Bosman ruling put paid to a good deal of that and ‘I can do better’ takes care of the rest
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,904
Grendel said:
Depends if said contract has a sell on Clause which somehow gets leaked
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Aren't sell on clauses usually relatively low? If a player knows you want to retain them, but has his eye on moving on within a relatively short period, he's not going to act out of good faith and agree to insert a significant sell on clause into his own contract.

Haaland's at Dortmund was probably the best example of that.
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,905
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Aren't sell on clauses usually relatively low? If a player knows you want to retain them, but has his eye on moving on within a relatively short period, he's not going to act out of good faith and agree to insert a significant sell on clause into his own contract.

Haaland's at Dortmund was probably the best example of that.
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Conversely you had Grealish sign on long term for a big hike and £100m release clause with both parties aware he would be leaving in the not too distant.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 19, 2022
  • #1,906
stay_up_skyblues said:
Conversely you had Grealish sign on long term for a big hike and £100m release clause with both parties aware he would be leaving in the not too distant.
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True but that's an exceptional circumstance.

You're comparing a boyhood Villa fan who quite clearly adores the club to Hamer for instance who has already spoken about his ambitions of playing at a higher level.
 
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rexo87

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,907
From the Athletic who are about as reliable as you can get.

'Two bids have been rejected, the first coming in at around £3.5million plus add-ons. The second one was an improvement but still not enough.

Burnley have not given in and the two clubs have held verbal discussions since. There is a belief among all parties a deal can be done, but only if it meets Coventry’s valuation, thought to be above £6million ($7.2m).'

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rexo87

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,908
Pretty insulting first bid. Sounds like we will accept anything over 6M

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better days

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,909
rexo87 said:
Pretty insulting first bid. Sounds like we will accept anything over 6M

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I'd heard Fulham had offered £5m a while back
But maybe that was also based on hitting certain milestones to reach the total figure
We rejected it anyway apparently
 
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CovBrummie94

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,910
£6m with add ons for a player signed on a free would be good business
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,911
It shows how we overate our players value if that’s true

Did anyone even bid for Hamer at all?
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,912
It has to be 10 at least - these people have parachute money - hopefully he will
Stick for this season with a club who appreciates him
 
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skybluegod

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  • Jul 20, 2022
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What are we basing him being a £10 million player on? Maybe with add ons yes but certainly not as a guaranteed fee. £6-7 million guarantee is a good fee in my view. Hard to replace of course, and he's key to the team but I'm not sure his output justified anything more.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,914
Mcbean said:
It has to be 10 at least - these people have parachute money - hopefully he will
Stick for this season with a club who appreciates him
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He will have one year left then on his contract so the value will decline further
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,915
skybluegod said:
What are we basing him being a £10 million player on? Maybe with add ons yes but certainly not as a guaranteed fee. £6-7 million guarantee is a good fee in my view. Hard to replace of course, and he's key to the team but I'm not sure his output justified anything more.
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Rather than the market value I think it’s the perception that Burnley have the money due to parachute payments.
 
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Dec-ccfc

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,916
skybluegod said:
What are we basing him being a £10 million player on? Maybe with add ons yes but certainly not as a guaranteed fee. £6-7 million guarantee is a good fee in my view. Hard to replace of course, and he's key to the team but I'm not sure his output justified anything more.
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I do agree with the few you have quoted but we are being very cute and it looks like we are positioning ourselves to get maximum value from this deal. If we are in a position that we need X amount to cover losses over covid then we should be angling to cover that as well as extra money to replace.

We know they will have the funds and they have publicly stated they want Callum. If they want to poach the best players in their division you pay a premium.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,917
skybluegod said:
What are we basing him being a £10 million player on? Maybe with add ons yes but certainly not as a guaranteed fee. £6-7 million guarantee is a good fee in my view. Hard to replace of course, and he's key to the team but I'm not sure his output justified anything more.
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We don’t want to sell him, so for us to be tempted it has to be a silly figure. We’re not here to be reasonable we’re here to get what we want for our player
 
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Skyblue_CP

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,918
better days said:
I'd heard Fulham had offered £5m a while back
But maybe that was also based on hitting certain milestones to reach the total figure
We rejected it anyway apparently
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From what you have heard since, is it still a dead cert that he’s off to those up north?
 

Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,919
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
We don’t want to sell him, so for us to be tempted it has to be a silly figure. We’re not here to be reasonable we’re here to get what we want for our player
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Doesn't sound very Cov that but hope it's true
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,920
Grendel said:
It shows how we overate our players value if that’s true

Did anyone even bid for Hamer at all?
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give it a rest
 
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better days

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  • Jul 20, 2022
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Skyblue_CP said:
From what you have heard since, is it still a dead cert that he’s off to those up north?
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That's what I heard but of course nothing is certain until contracts are filed with the FA
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,922
robbiekeane said:
give it a rest
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Give what a rest
 
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Dec-ccfc

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  • Jul 20, 2022
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I would like to think we would be pursuing his replacement now and getting a quote, once we publicly sell Callum teams will bump the price up.
 
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skybluegod

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,924
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
We don’t want to sell him, so for us to be tempted it has to be a silly figure. We’re not here to be reasonable we’re here to get what we want for our player
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Wrong. The club do want/need to sell one of the club's best assets. What we want is £6 million clearly so? Of course Robins doesn't. But I'm sure he also wants a £50 million transfer kitty.
 

Bertola

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  • Jul 20, 2022
  • #1,925
skybluegod said:
What are we basing him being a £10 million player on? Maybe with add ons yes but certainly not as a guaranteed fee. £6-7 million guarantee is a good fee in my view. Hard to replace of course, and he's key to the team but I'm not sure his output justified anything more.
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From the very same Athletic article...


The 24-year-old ticks the chance-creation box. The former Aston Villa academy graduate created the sixth-most chances in last season’s Championship, with 86.

O’Hare is not a set-piece taker so when we reduce the sample to chances created from open play, the attacking midfielder tops the charts, according to Opta.
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To sell the most creative player in the championship for less than £10m would be very disappointing
 
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