For this particular statement I don't see what is anti-Semitic about it. However-if he has made other comments out with this investigation which are, obviously he should go.
My issue is as originally stated that anyone criticising Israel at the moment has 'anti-Semite' thrown back at them. The lunatic Netanyahu is especially bad for it.
I’ve pointed out what is anti Semitic about it - even martcov acknowledged it. Go and tell members of the Jewish community your views on Hitler and Zionism and perhaps you may develop a better understanding.
For this particular statement I don't see what is anti-Semitic about it. However-if he has made other comments out with this investigation which are, obviously he should go.
My issue is as originally stated that anyone criticising Israel at the moment has 'anti-Semite' thrown back at them. The lunatic Netanyahu is especially bad for it.
The Nazis pre war floated the idea of sending Jews to another part of the world as a way of getting them out of Germany. Zionists wanted a Jewish state elsewhere. Briefly, and for very different reasons, they both supported Jewish relocation. That's an uncomfortable fact, but a fact nonetheless.
It doesn't make anyone who highlights it anti-Semitic. Find me cases where he has denied or supported the Holocaust, or where he supported pre-war measures against the Jewish community and I'll be the first to call for his expulsion.
David Baddiel said this yesterday.
People were been called anti-semites for questioning the shooting of hundreds of unarmed protesters in Gaza, (something shamefully under reported in the media). Then you have people who can't criticise Israel without making remarks about the whole Jewish race. He said the whole nuance of the argument was being lost and I agree.
The hypocrisy of some of those trying to use it as a stick to beat Labour with is astounding though. The Daily Mail were themselves praising Pediga not that long ago.
You think this thread has stayed on topic?!! Fucking hell!!Read Baddiels comments on Livingstone. Also this is a thread about Corbyn so why you constantly try and switch it I’m not sure.
They didn’t as I’ve already stated. You are either ignorant on this issue or something far more sinister
Why Ken Livingstone has it so wrong over Hitler and Zionism | David Baddiel
Hitler and the Nazis’ Anti-Zionism
Know doubt you believe his words ok the Andrew Neil show - most thought it was the biggest slaughter on political TV - look at the headlines it attracted.
Early as 1983 he was in trouble for saying the Labour Party was funded by Jewish backers which could result in Jewish MPs infiltrating the party.
I sadly conclude that if Dr Shipman was a Labour Party member you’d just say there’s always accidents in medical practice.
Extraordinary
We know that the Madagascar Plan got as far as a memo from Eichmann with the aim of emigrating all the Jews out of Europe to a specific place. If you look at the aims of both this and of Zionists at the time there is common ground with vastly differing motives and end goals. Ignorant-no. Calling what I see-yes.
You can spout as much of that drivel as you like. We joined a trading block that despite our 'help'(???) has evolved, & continues to evolve, into what is essentially a European super-state. Progressive governments have handed powers to the EU...which has eventually led to Brexit.We helped the EU to evolve to what it is today. Now we ( a portion of the 17,4, a minority) are saying that it is evil and imposing things upon us which we actually were in favour of at various times. We actually had a good deal being a member with a couple of get out clauses and a rebate. Now you are annoyed that we cannot have our cake and eat it. We wouldn’t be in this mess and divided if the Tories hadn’t held an advisory referendum and then insisted on carrying out it‘s result.
The article 50 was worded in part by Lord Kerr who says he never thought the U.K. would leave. He was thinking, in 2002, that the people who may leave would do so because of not liking the freedom of speech, freedom of the press and democracy guarantees of the EU. People on the extreme right. Shows how far we have moved to the right as to put is into the same general direction as these people. These principles are still our principles, but somehow we have ended up alongside the extreme right wing eurosceptics.
Farage has even held a speech for a party that doesn’t want to be told who to remember ( the words of the AFD ), meaning memorials to victims of the holocaust. Or the disgrace of having a major holocaust memorial in Berlin ( again their words). I never dreamt that one of our politicians (MEP ) would be celebrating leaving the EU and then offering his „services“ to a party criticising, and seeking to ban, the „stumbling stones“ placed in the street before the houses of people who were dragged away and sent to death camps never to return. But, the scum, hero of millions of leavers ( not all ), did just that at the invitation of the granddaughter of a member of Hitler’s cabinet.
The association of a major leave campaigner, now threatening to go back to the front if he feels Brexit is being betrayed, with such people and such views is a far cry from the Britain that I grew up in. Some people claim on here that I am out of touch with the real feelings in Britain. Maybe I am, if that is how far people in the U.K. are prepared to sink in order to leave a Europe built to protect us against such scum.
In martcov's world he can make anything possibleHow is 17.4m voting leave a minority?
But your 'majority' on the other hand are all united & in full agreement on everything? Yes, of course they areA minority of the 17,4 million. ( See the comma ) Don't say 17,4 million are of the same opinion.
That's a sweeping generalisation - consistent & persistent anti-Israel comments surely cannot be any more unfair than anti-German, anti-blacks or anti-Russian can it?For this particular statement I don't see what is anti-Semitic about it. However-if he has made other comments out with this investigation which are, obviously he should go.
My issue is as originally stated that anyone criticising Israel at the moment has 'anti-Semite' thrown back at them. The lunatic Netanyahu is especially bad for it.
Yes...ethnic cleansing. Although over fairly recent times social cleansing of London seems perfectly acceptable to many given it receives little interest from the majority of us. But it is equally abhorrent, the methods to achieve it are just different...more subtleThe Nazis pre war floated the idea of sending Jews to another part of the world as a way of getting them out of Germany. Zionists wanted a Jewish state elsewhere. Briefly, and for very different reasons, they both supported Jewish relocation. That's an uncomfortable fact, but a fact nonetheless.
It doesn't make anyone who highlights it anti-Semitic. Find me cases where he has denied or supported the Holocaust, or where he supported pre-war measures against the Jewish community and I'll be the first to call for his expulsion.
That's a sweeping generalisation - consistent & persistent anti-Israel comments surely cannot be any more unfair than anti-German, anti-blacks or anti-Russian can it?
Not everything Saddam Hussein did was abhorrent. Just the bad stuff overshadows the good. That happens with individuals, groups & nations.
It is the guiding principles that drive actions that have to be questioned. Israel doesn't (from what I have seen) wish to eradicate other nations or religions or races. There are plenty who seem to want to rid the world of Jews & Israel though.
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Free & compulsory Education (for girls as well), infrastructure built up from the wealth after the nationalisation of Oil production, free healthcare to name a few.Israel shot over 700 unarmed protesters the other day. Yes there are people who don't want the state of Israel to exist which is a ridiculous position in my book, but much of their behaviour in indefensible.
As for the Saddam Hussein comment, I'd be genuinely interested what you think he did that was OK.
I suppose at some point he must have been or we wouldn't have facilitated him taking control of Iraq.
Free & compulsory Education (for girls as well), infrastructure built up from the wealth after the nationalisation of Oil production, free healthcare to name a few.
Israel as a state does carry out some appalling actions - the latest you mention included. I condemn such actions. That doesn't make me anti-Semitic as I am sure that many many Jews around the world despair at such events just like non-Jewish people do.
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That's a sweeping generalisation - consistent & persistent anti-Israel comments surely cannot be any more unfair than anti-German, anti-blacks or anti-Russian can it?
Not everything Saddam Hussein did was abhorrent. Just the bad stuff overshadows the good. That happens with individuals, groups & nations.
It is the guiding principles that drive actions that have to be questioned. Israel doesn't (from what I have seen) wish to eradicate other nations or religions or races. There are plenty who seem to want to rid the world of Jews & Israel though.
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In martcov's world he can make anything possible
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But your 'majority' on the other hand are all united & in full agreement on everything? Yes, of course they are
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Oh dear.
KoK didn't understand English. If I could make anything possible, I would do many things.
Just had a look on facebook and it still comes up fine for me.Oh dear.
Just had a look on facebook and it still comes up fine for me.
Personally i think the bigger 'oh dear' is the disgraceful front page of the Times today.
I suspect Corbyns time is coming to an end
McDonnell & Abbott too please.I suspect Corbyns time is coming to an end
His brand of politics is shameful, it needs to go for the good of the country.I don't think you're wrong. The campaign against him has been shameful. You won't agree I know.
I still think this is about Leveson 2 more than any other issue.
McDonnell & Abbott too please.
His brand of politics is shameful, it needs to go for the good of the country.
McDonnell & Abbott too please.
The political classes suggest thornberry and starmer are plotting.
In the end under Corbyns leadership the party is the only openly racist party to really challenge for government. His inaction to prevent racism and his alliances to numerous unsavoury groups, his lack of action against bullying and mysoginy means he is finished.
see my post 2192.
i could add plenty more to the list, including quotes from Boris that make a mockery of your assertion he's not a racist.
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