I expect those who run and help run the party to be up front with their views. It is no good just jumping on the winner each time after the event. I want to see passion even if I don't agree with what they say. I want there to be something I can get behind.That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. You're criticising Corbyn for pushing the government to follow the result of the vote. Irrespective of his personal stance if the next day he'd started saying we should ignore the vote you would have criticised him for that as well.
No I just find him a hypocrite. He hates Europe with a passion and should have campaigned to leave rather than abandon one of his life long principals just to keep the rewards and benefits of his job.
I expect those who run and help run the party to be up front with their views. It is no good just jumping on the winner each time after the event. I want to see passion even if I don't agree with what they say. I want there to be something I can get behind.
Resign as I would know that there are much better people in the Labour party.If you were Corbyn what would you do?
Resign as I would know that there are much better people in the Labour party.
If I wasn't prepared to resign I would replace my pals with people who would take the party forward. It is shocking how Abbott is still there.
I recently read a Q and A with Yanis Varoufakis (I'll try and find link later), which seemed to suggest that Corbyn and McDonnell were now in favour of remain. Either way, it would help if he had stated his position more clearly, I agree. That applies to several others as well. It's strange that you don't seem to hold Boris in similar contempt for his equally hypocritical position.
Especially when his change of heart was clearly motivated by ambition.
He is never going to condemn the likes of Johnson and his pals
Would you like to explain this?As someone who likes to go on about democracy, it seems you don't like it when it doesn't suit you. He clearly has the backing of Labour voters. It wasn't long ago that you were calling for Blair II to come along.
Would you like to explain this?
And I said someone with the charisma of Bliar. But someone without the lies of Bliar. How is that asking for a Bliar ll?
So what have I said against democracy? Absolutely nothing. But you as usual twist the truth. Do you think Abbott is doing a good job? Do you think she should keep her position? Do you think that she could be losing Labour votes?
Oh no you can't be. Because if you did it would be undemocratic
Trust you to have your own version.Hahaha are you on the wind up? You just said that a party leader and MP should resign from their position because you don't like them. Hahaha
IMO the party should have got behind Corbyn and lined up a more 'media friendly' replacement.And I said someone with the charisma of Bliar.
Not stay in the EU though.IMO the party should have got behind Corbyn and lined up a more 'media friendly' replacement.
They were never going to win the last election, would have required a huge swing. They could have had someone waiting in the wings to take over who was to the left but without the baggage. Reckon Corbyn would have gone for that and stood down after a general election defeat.
Once they started plotting against you're only going to make him and his supporters more determined to stay.
IMO the party should have got behind Corbyn and lined up a more 'media friendly' replacement.
They were never going to win the last election, would have required a huge swing. They could have had someone waiting in the wings to take over who was to the left but without the baggage. Reckon Corbyn would have gone for that and stood down after a general election defeat.
Once they started plotting against you're only going to make him and his supporters more determined to stay.
Although to be fair if the party had have rallied behind him he may just have won. Not a landslide but maybe by enough. The bickering within the party made them unelectable in many people’s eyes.
Their dodgy past did more damage than anything else.Although to be fair if the party had have rallied behind him he may just have won. Not a landslide but maybe by enough. The bickering within the party made them unelectable in many people’s eyes.
If you were Corbyn what would you do? Surely the first part of representing the electorate is that you have to honour the decision that they have made.
I voted to remain but you have to accept the will of people no matter how much you agree with or disagree. I could never support another referendum, and if there was I would probably switch my vote.
Not what you would expect from the Guardian.
Such is the poverty of Tory ideas that they deny poverty even exists | Zoe Williams
FFS why do you always have a dig at my posts even when you agree with them? And then in a day or two you will say I only ever defend the Tories.do you disagree with it?
FFS why do you always have a dig at my posts even when you agree with them? And then in a day or two you will say I only ever defend the Tories.
Not what you would expect from the Guardian.
Such is the poverty of Tory ideas that they deny poverty even exists | Zoe Williams
Evidence? I couldn't disagree more. Corbyn is the very epitome of any definition of a career politician.I agree about careerist politicians yes. I would say it's fair to say that whatever you think of him, that's not an accusation that can be levelled at Corbyn.
So you didn't jump straight on my back?how was it a dig, don't be so paranoid FFS.
Again. It was a question but read into it what you want.So you didn't jump straight on my back?
If it had been posted by one of your pro EU mates the back patting would have been immediate. But because I look at both sides I immediately get questioned if I agree with what I posted. If I didn't agree with it I would have called it bullshit.
But hey ho. It doesn't go with what some try to say about me being a Tory even though nobody can ever find something complementary that I have ever said about them.
Evidence? I couldn't disagree more. Corbyn is the very epitome of any definition of a career politician.
This 'career politician' is just a lazy smear. The majority could earn much more in other jobs but have chosen a career of public service. I include Tories, who I generally find objectionable. Who would want to be a politician?
That wouldn't have been a question for any of your fellow back patting mates who love the EU and love Corbyn although he hates the EU.Again. It was a question but read into it what you want.
That wouldn't have been a question for any of your fellow back patting mates who love the EU and love Corbyn although he hates the EU.
Not as much as you it seems
Jeremy Corbyn says he would vote remain in a second EU referendum
Normal point scoring against each other.
Labour would take Britain out of the EU single market, Jeremy Corbyn says
That wouldn't have been a question for any of your fellow back patting mates who love the EU and love Corbyn although he hates the EU.
And some wonder why I don't trust any of them.Haha touche.I expect that JC will come out as being anti-Brexit over the coming months. A Corbynista I know claims it has all been a masterstroke and he has been against Brexit the whole time. I'm not so certain myself and he refuses to listen to me about his anti EU past.
Haha touche.I expect that JC will come out as being anti-Brexit over the coming months. A Corbynista I know claims it has all been a masterstroke and he has been against Brexit the whole time. I'm not so certain myself and he refuses to listen to me about his anti EU past.
You have already said it. Making out that I could be defending the Tories when I quoted something that makes them look exactly like what they are.normally when someone post an article they make a comment about it but you didn't really comment so I was just asking did you disagree with it. Like I said, read more into it if you want, I'm saying no more on it.
He hasn't been weak. He just hasn't been shouting about it.I think he has been weak on the issue to be honest. It could well finish him as leader in the longer term.
I think he has been weak on the issue to be honest. It could well finish him as leader in the longer term.
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