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shmmeee

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  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #946
clint van damme said:
Nandy blew it with me in her Andrew Neil interview. She'd been doing well up until then.
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I thought she handled him better than the others. It’s her more recent stuff that have had be worried. None of them are right though because I’m still not sure we actually have the talent in the party or know where we need to go.

Starmer and a Rayner are clearly going to win though.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #947
shmmeee said:
I thought she handled him better than the others. It’s her more recent stuff that have had be worried. None of them are right though because I’m still not sure we actually have the talent in the party or know where we need to go.

Starmer and a Rayner are clearly going to win though.
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Agreed.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #948
shmmeee said:
Fair question. Maybe PLP could’ve elected someone? Give it to Harman as the longest serving MP?
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Would there actually be a point, though? At the moment, we're in dead time and Johnson still has his new PM bounce. What could a temp leader actually do more effectively?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #949
Deleted member 5849 said:
Would there actually be a point, though? At the moment, we're in dead time and Johnson still has his new PM bounce. What could a temp leader actually do more effectively?
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It would have shown Corbyn had some humility rather than just interested in himself
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #950
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Are you a Corbynite?
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No but normally there would a deputy leader who would be leader if the leader stood down. Tom Watson resigned as well so there is no one to be leader.

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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #951
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Keir Starmer declines to rule out campaigning to rejoin EU

Oh dear, when will labour learn! LOL
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I agree - ridiculous position for our party to take.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #952
Ian1779 said:
I agree - ridiculous position for our party to take.
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It would be more ridiculous to rule out ever being pro Europe again. His policy is Brexit is done and it's time to move on.

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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 9, 2020
  • #953
David O'Day said:
It would be more ridiculous to rule out ever being pro Europe again. His policy is Brexit is done and it's time to move on.

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At this time - there should be no mention of re-joining the EU. The population wanted Brexit as a majority (even though I feel this is a backward step for us as a country)

We got hammered at GE19 for not respecting the vote. This will get thrown out there come the next election and it will be the same all over again, because the media/Facebook will be all about ‘he wants to undo your democratic vote’ - he has screwed himself before he even gets the job.

And people claim Corbyn was naive...
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #954
Well we finally find out at 10.45am. Seems to have been going on for months.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #955
I’m going for the Starmer Raynor dream team
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #956
I’m totally uninspired whoever wins to be honest - the prospect of Rachel Reeves being shadow chancellor should send shivers down the spine of even the most centre leaning leftie.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #957
Ian1779 said:
I’m totally uninspired whoever wins to be honest - the prospect of Rachel Reeves being shadow chancellor should send shivers down the spine of even the most centre leaning leftie.
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Never heard of her
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #958
Grendel said:
Never heard of her
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She was shadow chief Secretary to the Treasury... wanted to go deeper and further than most Tories on austerity and benefit reform.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #959
Ian1779 said:
She was shadow chief Secretary to the Treasury... wanted to go deeper and further than most Tories on austerity and benefit reform.
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Sounds promising
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #960
Grendel said:
Sounds promising
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Of course she does to you.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #961
Reeves just said “Labour aren’t the party of the unemployed”, she was right.

She’s got an MSc in Economics from LSE and PPE from Oxford, I’d have her as Chancellor in heart beat. Time for some experts please. Also bringing in the right of the party sends a vital change message right now. We are in the shit and can’t be using factional reasons to not have all our talent on the pitch. I’m not having more time like the last five years where talented politicians sit on the back benches for useless twats like Burgon.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #962
Grendel said:
Sounds promising
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Even more people dead. Great.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #963
shmmeee said:
Reeves just said “Labour aren’t the party of the unemployed”, she was right.

She’s got an MSc in Economics from LSE and PPE from Oxford, I’d have her as Chancellor in heart beat. Time for some experts please. Also bringing in the right of the party sends a vital change message right now. We are in the shit and can’t be using factional reasons to not have all our talent on the pitch. I’m not having more time like the last five years where talented politicians sit on the back benches for useless twats like Burgon.
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I was hoping Burgon or Butler as shadow chancellor and the other as Home Secretary
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #964
clint van damme said:
Even more people dead. Great.
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She was a proponent of using QE rather than austerity to get out of the GFC recession. It’s just she’s not in the socialist campaign group so therefore she’s a Tory.
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #965
Tbh I know nothing about her, so I shall reserve judgement either way.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #966
shmmeee said:
She was a proponent of using QE rather than austerity to get out of the GFC recession. It’s just she’s not in the socialist campaign group so therefore she’s a Tory.
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We Will be tougher than the Tories on benefits.
We will not be the party that represents people on benefits.

Fine rhetoric if it's aimed at malingerers but no caveat about protecting the most vulnerable or disabled people.
But yeah, she gets accused of being a Tory because she's not in the socialist campaign group.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #967
shmmeee said:
Reeves just said “Labour aren’t the party of the unemployed”, she was right.

She’s got an MSc in Economics from LSE and PPE from Oxford, I’d have her as Chancellor in heart beat. Time for some experts please. Also bringing in the right of the party sends a vital change message right now. We are in the shit and can’t be using factional reasons to not have all our talent on the pitch. I’m not having more time like the last five years where talented politicians sit on the back benches for useless twats like Burgon.
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That’s fine if you are an advocate for uniting the party and bringing BOTH wings together, not just expelling one for another... let’s see how that plays out.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #968
Hoping it’s Nandy, suspect it’s will be Starmer which I’m OK with. Long Bailey will be stagnation of Labour I fear meaning it will be up to Boris to lose an election rather than Labour win it.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #969
skybluetony176 said:
Hoping it’s Nandy, suspect it’s will be Starmer which I’m OK with. Long Bailey will be stagnation of Labour I fear meaning it will be up to Boris to lose and election rather than Labour win it.
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It will be Starmer.
I never voted but I'll give him a fair go. I fear a lot of people from the left of the party won't. I also fear they'll be no attempt to bring them along by the right
And the party will remain in.limbo.
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #970
Ian1779 said:
That’s fine if you are an advocate for uniting the party and bringing BOTH wings together, not just expelling one for another... let’s see how that plays out.
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Let me start by saying my politics are firmly on the left. I believe in nationalised water, rail, electricity and broadband infrastructure. I believe in mass social housing being built, strong unionised workplaces, high minimum wage, generous benefits to the point of UBI and taxing the crap out of the overly rich. I don’t believe in competition in public services and I’d rather we made peace than war generally speaking. I want health and education and social care free at the point of need for all ages and backgrounds.

But the fact is there just isn’t the talent on the left in the PLP and putting people there because of their faction the last five years has lead left wing ideas to become a laughing stock. We are probably further from implementing socialist ideals than we ever were under Blair because Corbyn has made them toxic to the country same as Foot did.

We need to correct now and that means professionalism and competence but it also means meeting the voters half way.

I’m a socialist because I want the average working man to get a better deal. The fact is the average working man despises benefit cheats as he works hard, despises crime and wants criminals cracked down on, and loves his country.

Corbyn didn’t come across as understanding any of this and we will need to overcorrect. That combined with the fact that the left haven’t been cultivating talent will mean the SC probably trends further to the right of the party. Right now I’m fine with that as winning is most important. In the mean time the left need to reflect on what they learned from being in charge and I’d argue number one is find professional competent left wing politicians and grooms them for cabinet, don’t just hang out at rallies with your mates whining about centrists.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #971
I think your comment about lack of talent on the left is true but it applies across the board in politics.
Look at the current cabinet, there is a dearth of ability.
As for being further away from socialist ideas than we were under Blair - we've just renationalised the railways!! (Joke)
 
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shmmeee

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  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #972
clint van damme said:
I think your comment about lack of talent on the left is true but it applies across the board in politics.
Look at the current cabinet, there is a dearth of ability.
As for being further away from socialist ideas than we were under Blair - we've just renationalised the railways!! (Joke)
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Socialism wasn’t a dirty word among the average Brit under Blair, it is now.

The Tories just kicked all their competent politicians out, we just benched them. On no planet are we worse off with the likes of Reeves, Cooper, Benn, Milliband, Nandy in the SC.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #973
I see the Labour site has crash and Starmer has been announced winner. Conspiracy theorists: start your engines.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #974
shmmeee said:
Let me start by saying my politics are firmly on the left. I believe in nationalised water, rail, electricity and broadband infrastructure. I believe in mass social housing being built, strong unionised workplaces, high minimum wage, generous benefits to the point of UBI and taxing the crap out of the overly rich. I don’t believe in competition in public services and I’d rather we made peace than war generally speaking. I want health and education and social care free at the point of need for all ages and backgrounds.

But the fact is there just isn’t the talent on the left in the PLP and putting people there because of their faction the last five years has lead left wing ideas to become a laughing stock. We are probably further from implementing socialist ideals than we ever were under Blair because Corbyn has made them toxic to the country same as Foot did.

We need to correct now and that means professionalism and competence but it also means meeting the voters half way.

I’m a socialist because I want the average working man to get a better deal. The fact is the average working man despises benefit cheats as he works hard, despises crime and wants criminals cracked down on, and loves his country.

Corbyn didn’t come across as understanding any of this and we will need to overcorrect. That combined with the fact that the left haven’t been cultivating talent will mean the SC probably trends further to the right of the party. Right now I’m fine with that as winning is most important. In the mean time the left need to reflect on what they learned from being in charge and I’d argue number one is find professional competent left wing politicians and grooms them for cabinet, don’t just hang out at rallies with your mates whining about centrists.
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I don’t disagree with any of your sentiments, but there is also no real evidence of ‘talent’ on the right side of the party either. I will agree there are a few Labour MP’s that weren’t part of the Corbyn years that you could see contributing in the future, but a lot of these were part of the shambles that was 2010-15. Maybe the best way forward is to make sure we have people that are prepared to listen to the ideas of the ‘other side’ and embrace it as a whole.

The Labour right spent 5 years undermining Corbyn, the left can’t make the same mistake with Starmer.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #975
Starmer it is then.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #976
Ian1779 said:
I don’t disagree with any of your sentiments, but there is also no real evidence of ‘talent’ on the right side of the party either. I will agree there are a few Labour MP’s that weren’t part of the Corbyn years that you could see contributing in the future, but a lot of these were part of the shambles that was 2010-15. Maybe the best way forward is to make sure we have people that are prepared to listen to the ideas of the ‘other side’ and embrace it as a whole.

The Labour right spent 5 years undermining Corbyn, the left can’t make the same mistake with Starmer.
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Everyone just needs to STFU and aim fire at the Tories TBH.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #977
I’m left of centre.... think he has the potential to win my vote. Time will tell
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #978
shmmeee said:
Socialism wasn’t a dirty word among the average Brit under Blair, it is now.

The Tories just kicked all their competent politicians out, we just benched them. On no planet are we worse off with the likes of Reeves, Cooper, Benn, Milliband, Nandy in the SC.
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Blair wasn't a socialist. I accept both wings of the party have to compromise and find some common ground. Blair went too far right as far as im concerned.

I really hope Starmer can find a common ground for all, however, there are people, on both sides, now so entrenched in their position they will never compromise.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #979
If he sticks to this I’ll take it.
 
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Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 4, 2020
  • #980
First job Kier is not to fall for the massive trap that Boris has laid you this morning.
 
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