Mowbray needs to go (2 Viewers)

oucho · Mar 30, 2016

Nilsson - Swedish champions with Malmo
Reid - promoted twice as Champions with Sunderland
Adams - four promotions including one to the PL with Leicester
Dowie - promoted to the Prem with Palace
Coleman - qualified Wales to Euro 2016
Boothroyd - won promotion to the PL with Watford
Pressley - won the Scottish Challenge cup with Falkirk

We haven't appointed losers as managers. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the people we have appointed. The short-termism at the club, IMO, is to blame. Give any manager a minimum of three years, then take stock thereafter. We won't become a success in the long term with putting up with a development period where we are crap for a few years. I wouldn't even look for signs of progress for the first two yeasr under a new boss - just let them build the club over 3-5 years then see where we are.

Otis · Mar 30, 2016

oucho said:
Nilsson - Swedish champions with Malmo
Reid - promoted twice as Champions with Sunderland
Adams - four promotions including one to the PL with Leicester
Dowie - promoted to the Prem with Palace
Coleman - qualified Wales to Euro 2016
Boothroyd - won promotion to the PL with Watford
Pressley - won the Scottish Challenge cup with Falkirk

We haven't appointed losers as managers. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the people we have appointed. The short-termism at the club, IMO, is to blame. Give any manager a minimum of three years, then take stock thereafter. We won't become a success in the long term with putting up with a development period where we are crap for a few years. I wouldn't even look for signs of progress for the first two yeasr under a new boss - just let them build the club over 3-5 years then see where we are.

We haven't appointed losers as managers. We have appointed managers that have become losers.

Mowbray's failure this season has had very little to do with the owners though. The owners didn't choose the tactics or make TM play Ricketts and Cole every week.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Mar 30, 2016

covcity4life said:
i so want lameries to do well but hes shit nearly every single time he steps on pitch nowadays

He hasn't been amazing i'll agree, but I think he could be if he got a run of games. The fact like last night he got brought on when we had pretty much given up doesn't really help I would have thought.

Nick · Mar 30, 2016

oucho said:
Nilsson - Swedish champions with Malmo
Reid - promoted twice as Champions with Sunderland
Adams - four promotions including one to the PL with Leicester
Dowie - promoted to the Prem with Palace
Coleman - qualified Wales to Euro 2016
Boothroyd - won promotion to the PL with Watford
Pressley - won the Scottish Challenge cup with Falkirk

We haven't appointed losers as managers. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the people we have appointed. The short-termism at the club, IMO, is to blame. Give any manager a minimum of three years, then take stock thereafter. We won't become a success in the long term with putting up with a development period where we are crap for a few years. I wouldn't even look for signs of progress for the first two yeasr under a new boss - just let them build the club over 3-5 years then see where we are.

So why is short term the new buzz word? Why wasn't it like that in October?

stupot07 · Mar 30, 2016

oucho said:
Nilsson - Swedish champions with Malmo
Reid - promoted twice as Champions with Sunderland
Adams - four promotions including one to the PL with Leicester
Dowie - promoted to the Prem with Palace
Coleman - qualified Wales to Euro 2016
Boothroyd - won promotion to the PL with Watford
Pressley - won the Scottish Challenge cup with Falkirk

We haven't appointed losers as managers. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the people we have appointed. The short-termism at the club, IMO, is to blame. Give any manager a minimum of three years, then take stock thereafter. We won't become a success in the long term with putting up with a development period where we are crap for a few years. I wouldn't even look for signs of progress for the first two yeasr under a new boss - just let them build the club over 3-5 years then see where we are.

But Pressley and Nilsson aside, all of those managers had been sacked for failures at some point before us appointing them, sometimes a manager just drops lucky, with a decebt squad that all hit at the same time and has a perfect storm (dowie and boothroyd), more of a blip than them being winners.

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SkyBlueZack · Mar 30, 2016

Where does the notion selling Maddison has caused our slump in form? Or is that the only way it can be traced back to the owners? Off the field stuff? What? Like Northampton had a winding up order and sit top of league two? Some are desperate to blame SISU for anything.

I don't want Mowbray to be sacked but the blame lies solely with him and his players.

Nick · Mar 30, 2016

SkyBlueZack said:
Where does the notion selling Maddison has caused our slump in form? Or is that the only way it can be traced back to the owners? Off the field stuff? What? Like Northampton had a winding up order and sit top of league two? Some are desperate to blame SISU for anything.

I don't want Mowbray to be sacked but the blame lies solely with him and his players.

The same Maddison who hardly played and wasn't very good before he was sold...

It is scraping the barrel a bit.

SkyBlueZack · Mar 30, 2016

Oh and before the lack of ambition shouts. Delle Alli was sold the year MK dons went up in the January with a loan back. Personally the difference is A, Alli is a better player than Maddison and B, their team/squad had more quality and wanted it more.

you're an idiot · Mar 30, 2016

oucho said:
Nilsson - Swedish champions with Malmo
Reid - promoted twice as Champions with Sunderland
Adams - four promotions including one to the PL with Leicester
Dowie - promoted to the Prem with Palace
Coleman - qualified Wales to Euro 2016
Boothroyd - won promotion to the PL with Watford
Pressley - won the Scottish Challenge cup with Falkirk

We haven't appointed losers as managers. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with the people we have appointed. The short-termism at the club, IMO, is to blame. Give any manager a minimum of three years, then take stock thereafter. We won't become a success in the long term with putting up with a development period where we are crap for a few years. I wouldn't even look for signs of progress for the first two yeasr under a new boss - just let them build the club over 3-5 years then see where we are.

Totally agree, it's clear he's only able to apply his football principles with loans because previous stewardship hasn't brought in the right players (lack of scouting network and database!) so we're at ground zero, clearing the decks and looking forward. Look at the impact momentum has on back to back promotions for teams such as Leicester, Bournemouth and burton now. If we're not ready this year but go up (forgone conclusion that won't happen) we'd simply come crashing back down, pointless!

Nick · Mar 30, 2016

you're an idiot said:
Totally agree, it's clear he's only able to apply his football principles with loans

He signed permanent players too didn't he?

oucho · Mar 30, 2016

Nick said:
So why is short term the new buzz word? Why wasn't it like that in October?

IMO sacking the manager because of a poor run of form is short-termism. TF once said to me that "SP is a long term solution but we need a short term solution too." I disagreed and still do. To build long term success over a decade or more, starts with a build-up period where one manager, and it might as well be TM, gets to mould the club in his own image over the course of 3 years. We should ignore results during that formative period - unfortunately, most fans choose not do so, hence the trigger-happy nature of our board.

Otis said:
We haven't appointed losers as managers. We have appointed managers that have become losers.

Mowbray's failure this season has had very little to do with the owners though. The owners didn't choose the tactics or make TM play Ricketts and Cole every week.

I wasn't blaming the owners per se on this occasion - there is a culture at the club of going through a manager every 12 months on average since the WGS days, and I'm sure part of that is down to restless fans thinking we can get a quick fix by swapping managers and seeing a permanent uptick in form. TM has a 40% win ratio - we'd be mad to get rid.

Captain Dart · Mar 30, 2016

Nick said:
So why is short term the new buzz word? Why wasn't it like that in October?

That's 2 words.

Captain Dart · Mar 30, 2016

stupot07 said:
But Pressley and Nilsson aside, all of those managers had been sacked for failures at some point before us appointing them, sometimes a manager just drops lucky, with a decebt squad that all hit at the same time and has a perfect storm (dowie and boothroyd), more of a blip than them being winners.

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ClarkeZ · Mar 30, 2016

Nick said:
So 1 place above last year is fine because progress has been made?

Nobody else bothered we were over 10 points clear in the playoffs and screwed it up, as he has done elsewhere?

Yes we're bothered but what are you realistically thinking will happen now if TM goes and the next messiah comes in?
No-one is taking this team to the Championship this year, that's as close to fact as you get.

So by sacking him now all we are doing is continuing the same revolving door of short-sightedness which has been resident in the club, leading to 12 managers in 15 years since Strachan went in 01. In that time we have gone nowhere but down. So surely there's a problem there. It's been empirically proven, time and time and time and time again that it gets us absolutely fucking nowhere.

I agree that our form is pathetic and missing the playoffs is not acceptable, but maybe, just maybe, since we are not in danger of relegation, lets give someone the time to build what he wants. TM has bought some players in who will factor for time to come. Give him the summer to keep building and bring in the players he wants to suit his game plan. Then come November if we're still a bag of shite then I will hold my hands up and say it hasn't worked.

It's just as much an unknown risk to change the manager, again, as it is to not. Theres a big rebuild coming in the summer no matter who is in charge, TM knows the academy by now and how each player will fit into a system. Right now I think he's best placed to use the summer wisely and build into next season.

chiefdave · Mar 30, 2016

oucho said:
Nilsson - Swedish champions with Malmo
Reid - promoted twice as Champions with Sunderland
Adams - four promotions including one to the PL with Leicester
Dowie - promoted to the Prem with Palace
Coleman - qualified Wales to Euro 2016
Boothroyd - won promotion to the PL with Watford
Pressley - won the Scottish Challenge cup with Falkirk

How many of our managers have gone on to better things after leaving CCFC? There's more than the odd one or two that haven't even got another job!

Deleted member 5849 · Mar 30, 2016

chiefdave said:
How many of our managers have gone on to better things after leaving CCFC? There's more than the odd one or two that haven't even got another job!

So we break managers then!

Bet Adams wishes he'd spoken to West Brom when he had the chance...

fernandopartridge · Mar 30, 2016

marcusp said:
What a load of bollocks. Changing manager every sason is not the answer. Yes something has gone wrong but let mowbray sort it and look forward to next sason.
we have had a better season this year than for the last five years so stop jumping on the bandwagon of mowbrey out. The problem with our club is fickle fans with no passion or loyalty

Indeed, see how quickly the fans fucked off after the good attendances against Walsall and Burton.

skybluesam66 · Mar 30, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
Indeed, see how quickly the fans fucked off after the good attendances against Walsall and Burton.

see how quickly the players fucked off after the good performance versus gillingham

Sky Blue Harry H · Mar 30, 2016

I think we should and will give TM a chance to build for next season. The club can't afford to waste it's budget paying him off and then paying another manager. That said, if our current form extended far into next season, I think the board would have to act. We all want him to succeed (in fact whoever is in charge we want them to succeed). It would be sad if the only thing left for the frustrated fans this season is to vent their spleen at the players. Not a nice experience for the players or fans. For everybody's sake I hope we can pick things up between now and the end of the season.

SkyblueBazza · Mar 30, 2016

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Well obviously no one was calling him to be sacked when we were top just like no one was calling for Pressley to be sacked when we were smashing teams every week and look how that ended

Yes...its like being at school isn't it?

...onwards & upwards PUSB

SkyblueBazza · Mar 30, 2016

Steve.B50 said:
He has done wonders for us, who would have taken 9th at start of season? I honestly expected us to be fighting relegation this season.

I agree entirely with you o that. Although...we ain't finished 9th yet Steve!
I wonder if we are looking more like 13th tbh

...onwards & upwards PUSB

higgs · Mar 30, 2016

higgs · Mar 30, 2016

Could do with seeing that type of fight in mogga

stupot07 · Mar 31, 2016

Yeah they were really lucky when they were here.....and in their subsequent managerial positions. Well done Nepolian.....

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oucho · Mar 31, 2016

Have a bit of faith will you - football is meant to be about the unexpected. You have to go to games with the faith that, despite the odds, we'll give everyone a nice surprise and do well. Same applies now.

The Mog giveth, the Mog hath taken away.....blessed be the name of the Mog.

Irish Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2016

daz_doc said:
13 Managers in 20 years.

13 in 14 years. The obvious solution is to get another one. Always works.

Irish Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2016

EastLancsCov said:
If this was one of our usual managers and not someone of the 'stature' of Mowbray, we'd be going crazy.
I don't understand why he's not facing the wrath that others have faced, bearing in mind the squad he's got.

Which he put together.

EastLancsCov · Mar 31, 2016

skybluesam66 said:
see how quickly the players fucked off after the good performance versus gillingham

"The problem with our club is fickle fans with no passion or loyalty."

You've got to laugh. So the complete capitulation is our fault!

EastLancsCov · Mar 31, 2016

Irish Sky Blue said:
13 in 14 years. The obvious solution is to get another one. Always works.

The obvious answer is that without sacking those managers, I dread to think what league we might be in now.
They were sacked for failure. You can't sit back and let failings keep happening.

hughron · Mar 31, 2016

marcusp said:
What a load of bollocks. Changing manager every sason is not the answer. Yes something has gone wrong but let mowbray sort it and look forward to next sason.
we have had a better season this year than for the last five years so stop jumping on the bandwagon of mowbrey out. The problem with our club is fickle fans with no passion or loyalty

Mobo:

Totally agree, fickle fans are the main problem.

Otis · Mar 31, 2016

hughron said:
Mobo:

Totally agree, fickle fans are the main problem.

Totally agree.

How dare they endure nearly 30 years of abject misery, pain, suffering and humiliation and then decide not to attend!

Outrageous!!

oucho · Mar 31, 2016

Sacking someone for failing after 18 months is ridiculous, it's like saying a baby is ugly 5 months before it's born.

Skyblueweeman · Mar 31, 2016

oucho said:
Sacking someone for failing after 18 months is ridiculous, it's like saying a baby is ugly 5 months before it's born.

Sacking someone after 18 games is ridiculous (although plausible)....sacking someone for failing after 18 months would be standard practice I would've thought??

luwalla · Mar 31, 2016

oucho said:
Sacking someone for failing after 18 months is ridiculous, it's like saying a baby is ugly 5 months before it's born.

no, its like saying a baby is ugly when its 18 months old... and this baby is looking pretty damn ugly! ( actually there are some signs of beauty, unfortunately most of that will be off end of the season! )

who knows though, could grow into a stunner! one things is for sure though, this is now a mowbray team out there, being managed by mowbray for a full season ( all told ) now.

yes , im sure it will build over the years into more of a mowbray team, and hopefully that team will be more successful.

Otis · Mar 31, 2016

oucho said:
Sacking someone for failing after 18 months is ridiculous, it's like saying a baby is ugly 5 months before it's born.

A baby is for life, a manager is just for two Christmases.

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