Esoterica
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But you're a reasonable person
But you're a reasonable persontrue, but if they sort out where we're playing and can demonstrate some sort of viable long term plan for improving the club I'll live with it. If they actually care then that would be a massive bonus but I don't want to ask for too much!!
Ask yourself. Could Sisu do more to get us out of here ?
Why don’t you address my points?
We’ve signed 15+ players, completely rebuilt a squad that is good enough to compete with the top 3 in this division - it’s our results against the FGR’s of this league that’s derailing our efforts. We have had injuries to our best players, most notably Jones, who before he was injured was seemingly involved in all our goals.
I don’t think the club could’ve done much more over such a short time. Instead of making vague comments, be precise in how the club could’ve done more.
I will say the good thing Robins has done is get most on a two year contract, so there *ought* to be some stability next season.and to build a squad rather than change it continuously.
It's not the quantity its the quality of the players we want and to build a squad rather than change it continuously.
We do the same every year and clear them out the following year.
The club are doing what they can within the constraints of the owners.
The club and players are doing their best but overall the team is now going to struggle (again) through lack of quality in depth.
Real owners would show more interest or move on when they loose it.
We have given them pretty much all 2 year contracts and the youngsters even longer.
Every player we have needs paying, that goes for Jones and Andreu too and now Davies who will be out for the season.
You still havent addressed his points or actually shown you have a clue, it's just aimless rantings like the pissed up old boy in the pub who everybody steers clear of.
There's not much wrong with the quality of the players when we beat teams is there?
You are going on about chucking money in then just dropping it and walking away if it doesn't work, at least try and be a little bit realistic. Whether it's SISU or not it isn't going to happen.
It's as if you can't think past "Throw more money in" or "walk away" as 2 options as if anybody is going to want to throw money in, more money in and if it doesn't work just say "ah it was sort of fun, dont worry about the cash".
debating the managers decisions on a football forum, crazy eh?
Me ranting ?
Closer to home I think.
Yes, it's crazy when we're having our best season in years and when, for the first time in a long time, there's such a good feeling about the club. But one bad result and it's back to this topic = massive over-reaction.
If we don't go up this season it isn't a disaster. Provided we go up in the next 3 years, that's fine. We just need stability as a club and a long-term manager to rebuild the internal structure of the club and get some long term foundations in place. That seems to be happening, which is great, so why sacrifice that by getting shot of the manager. Short-termism doesn't get you anywhere other than League Two.
debating the managers decisions on a football forum, crazy eh?
Yes, it's crazy when we're having our best season in years and when, for the first time in a long time, there's such a good feeling about the club. But one bad result and it's back to this topic = massive over-reaction.
If we don't go up this season it isn't a disaster. Provided we go up in the next 3 years, that's fine. We just need stability as a club and a long-term manager to rebuild the internal structure of the club and get some long term foundations in place. That seems to be happening, which is great, so why sacrifice that by getting shot of the manager. Short-termism doesn't get you anywhere other than League Two.
Read what you said. Now that's a rant.What are you on about now?
Read what you said. Now that's a rant.
I was asking you things about what you keep saying, as usual though you can't seem to be able to expand on what you are saying or go into detail.
It's an opinion on how I see it.
Your welcome to yours even though it seems to remove Sisu from the equation.
If you have all the details your kidding yourself.
When you are talking about a decision a manager has made off his own back where he has had the same things but arranged them differently the owners don't come into it so aren't in the equation.
How about you expand and go into detail about the things you keep going on about?
I have.
He has to work around his limited options,
He may have made a mistake bringing Kelly in but once it was made his options are limited.
It's easy to look back after the event.
It isn't just that event, it's multiple games he has got the same thing wrong. The same thing was happening months ago and people were blaming McNulty for being shit.
It's the same for every football manager, once they put a team out it's hard to change it but that's what makes a good proactive manager.
We should be miles clear , it’s embarrassing
I am not winding you up , we are hanging on coat tails of clubs that in all fairness have the same history of some pub teams. We should be flying this .
I ask again why ?
but that's what makes a good proactive manager.
It's experience we lack for him to draw on.
The defence is statistically the best in the league yet we lost to schoolboy errors on Saturday.
If we are relying on an 18 year old midfielder then we are in trouble.
So the owners have employed a useless manager then. Is that what you’re saying? Maybe we can blame the board instead? Who employed them?
I don’t agree that Robins isn’t a good productive manager and I’ll tell you why. He’s had to adapt the whole team to deal with the Tony Andrews injury and to an even larger extent JJ, he’s also had to do this while trying to get MM firing on all cylinders and nurture MB from a hard working striker to one who can find the net while adapting to the pro game.
He might not get every decision correct every game but then which manager does? Ferguson was one game away from the boot before going on to be one of the greatest managers if not the greatest in Man U’s history. If you’d have been in charge he would never have got that opportunity and all that history would have been lost.
Read what he said.
How is it crazy to question a manager's decisions after a match?
There is literally nothing you can say that can pin Saturday's performance and result, when taken in context with our other results away at the bottom 7 and our results against the top 7, on the owners of the club. There's not a shred of logic to it. How you have managed 50 posts trying to do so is incredible.I have.
He has to work around his limited options,
He may have made a mistake bringing Kelly in but once it was made his options are limited.
It's easy to look back after the event.
Quick question - does anyone know which team has the best defensive record in League 2?
You’re certainly building up to him getting sacked. You continually fail to see the full picture, you’re in denial about the negative effect of our owners and how this hamstrings every good manager we have.He got MM firing on all cylinders when he dropped the 2 x DM's didn't he, which seemed to be by accident.
Again, I have pointed out things he got wrong and I also point out things he gets right. I also don't want him sacked and want him to have chance to learn from it and build on it. It's the same as I get pissed off when Burge can't kick straight and then when he kicks it well and puts a player through I say it was good.
Maybe read what I am actually saying rather than trying to tell me what I am saying.
We have the 3rd best clean sheets.
Above us are Luton and Cambridge from when I last checked.
Quick question - does anyone know which team has the best defensive record in League 2?
You’re certainly building up to him getting sacked. You continually fail to see the full picture, you’re in denial about the negative effect of our owners and how this hamstrings every good manager we have.
Robins is a decent manager at this level, Mowbray is a good manager at this level and higher. Both experienced managers. SP was a decent rookie manager who did a hell of a job for a period of time under very difficult circumstances. Both SP and TM had periods of success followed by abject failure. Robins is more steady than both of them for my money but that doesn’t mean that he’s untouchable from this invisible force that keeps turning managers from hero to zero at our club. I hope he’ll maintain his average over a long period of time for the duration of the season as that will give us every chance of the playoffs, I’d love it if he could improve performances so we get a playoff place with games to spare or dare I dream an automatic place. If we have turned a corner though down a dark alley of decline sooner or later you and a few others are going to have to realise that the problem that keeps us repeating this pattern is bigger than the manager getting his tactics wrong one game in however many. I doubt you will though as that would require a complete change of tack and we all know Nick is never wrong.
Frankly when you start saying you can’t have an opinion on an individual without a ready made replacement is absurd. Managers success and failure is all down to luck and timing most of the time.
Mowbray should have been sacked in the first season in February. Most clubs would have seen the signs. There was no forward momentum at all and promotion was gone unless a change was made.
I haven’t said sack him now. However perhaps you’d like to explain how success would be achieved by a manager who failed first time at promotion when the second time the resources will be thinner and the main reasons for any success st all this season will be long gone.
Can you answer that?
Any owner could. An owner could lend its club a couple of million and it could still fail - then what?
If it’s to be believed Mansfield have ploughed a lot into the club. It’s still not definitely going to succeed.
Do you want our debt mountain to increase again?
No, so sensible investment within our revenue streams is the answer, building our revenue by embracing our fan base is key, along with along term plan and corporate philosophy is the way to go. A new manager and new squad of rejects every 15 months get you nowhere
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