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Nick

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #526
Amazing they are still walking about.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #527
Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #528
Sky Blue Pete said:
Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys
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Even if what you are saying, which is a bit silly, is true - who's allowing them to take advantage of it?

This incident was a big load of petrol on the fire for those riots, and these people are still walking the streets. Surely you see that it both simulataniously raises suspicion for normal people, and encourages the far-right as well.

The whole thing is a joke.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #529
Sky Blue Pete said:
Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys
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Yes DPP can take it over at any time, however if they do at least Farage will have got it moving.

So a little more than pure theatre.
Starmer could do with acting.
Having said that, the first 100 days have been pure farce.
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #530
Sky Blue Pete said:
He can’t
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He can, as I think you have said yourself.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #531
MalcSB said:
So after 4 months with no charges being laid by our two tier justice (I use the word loosely) system, Farage is going to bring a private prosecution against the thugs who broke a WPC nose and assaulted other armed police officers. All caught on camera, of course. Plenty of evidence you might have thought.
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Farage appears to be claiming he has information that isn't in the public domain that he is somehow being blocked from revealing which leads to the question, is Farage the only MP to whom parliamentary privilege doesn't apply?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #532
chiefdave said:
Farage appears to be claiming he has information that isn't in the public domain that he is somehow being blocked from revealing which leads to the question, is Farage the only MP to whom parliamentary privilege doesn't apply?
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Doesn’t parliamentary privilege only apply to things said in the house? And even then I think there are some rules.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #533
MalcSB said:
Doesn’t parliamentary privilege only apply to things said in the house? And even then I think there are some rules.
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Unless he’s about to leak national security secrets or commit a crime I think he’s OK.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #534
MalcSB said:
Doesn’t parliamentary privilege only apply to things said in the house? And even then I think there are some rules.
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you may have forgotten given how little time he spends doing his job but he's an MP now so not difficult for him to do that
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #535
Fuck the rules Farage only wants what’s best
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #536
shmmeee said:
Unless he’s about to leak national security secrets or commit a crime I think he’s OK.
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I’m not sure you can call someone a liar in the House of Commons, even if true.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #537
MalcSB said:
I’m not sure you can call someone a liar in the House of Commons, even if true.
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You absolute can. Protection from defamation law is the entire point.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #538
chiefdave said:
you may have forgotten given how little time he spends doing his job but he's an MP now so not difficult for him to do that
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I did think it a little pot, kettle, black when Starmer challenged Farage about how much time he has been abroad given the amount of time Starmer seems to be spending on foreign soil.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #539
MalcSB said:
I did think it a little pot, kettle, black when Starmer challenged Farage about how much time he has been abroad given the amount of time Starmer seems to be spending on foreign soil.
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Starmer is Prime Minister Malc.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #540
shmmeee said:
You absolute can. Protection from defamation law is the entire point.
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You cant directly say someone is lying, a euphemism is acceptable.

shmmeee said:
Starmer is Prime Minister Malc.
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Sadly yes. He does seem to have been overseas a lot though. The latest was taking 470 delegates to a not fit for purpose COP. I thought it pretty poor that he wasn't here for the first Remembrance Day as Prime Minister.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #541
MalcSB said:
You cant directly say someone is lying, a euphemism is acceptable.


Sadly yes. He does seem to have been overseas a lot though. The latest was taking 470 delegates to a not fit for purpose COP. I thought it pretty poor that he wasn't here for the first Remembrance Day as Prime Minister.
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No you’re confusing unparliamentary language which will get you a telling off from the speaker with parliamentary privilege which prevents you from getting sued for defamation. Tom Watson called a bunch of people pedophiles and if he’s done that outside the house he could have been sued as he was wrong. But he couldn’t be and as he wasn’t calling another member a liar it wasn’t unparliamentary language either.

If Farage has information he can stand up in the House of Commons and say it and no one can stop him.
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #542
Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #543
rob9872 said:
Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
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Wouldn't this be a useful stick to beat Starmer with or farage if it appears he's scuppered it?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #544
rob9872 said:
Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
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That's if they even get a trial.

Said at the time, the fact they were demanding compensation for police brutally it will probably just mean it's just that they get let off.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #545
Sky Blue Pete said:
Fuck the rules Farage only wants what’s best
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Are you malfunctioning? I know you think you are being funny, but it comes across as being a bit of a wet blanket hunting for likes.

You didn't respond to my post, so I assume you've got nothing reasonable to say about the actual crimes?

shmmeee said:
No you’re confusing unparliamentary language which will get you a telling off from the speaker with parliamentary privilege which prevents you from getting sued for defamation. Tom Watson called a bunch of people pedophiles and if he’s done that outside the house he could have been sued as he was wrong. But he couldn’t be and as he wasn’t calling another member a liar it wasn’t unparliamentary language either.

If Farage has information he can stand up in the House of Commons and say it and no one can stop him.
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Let's say Farage comes out and says what he has heard...

For reference, that seems to be something along the lines of the father of the killer being involved in the genocides in Rwanda, and Kier Starmer personally representing him and fighting for him to stay in the UK.

You really think he thinks he's going to get away with it? Given some of the madness going on at the moment, it isn't really surprising to me that some people are forcing the issue rather than playing themselves into trouble.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #546
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Are you malfunctioning? I know you think you are being funny, but it comes across as being a bit of a wet blanket hunting for likes.

You didn't respond to my post, so I assume you've got nothing reasonable to say about the actual crimes?



Let's say Farage comes out and says what he has heard...

For reference, that seems to be something along the lines of the father of the killer being involved in the genocides in Rwanda, and Kier Starmer personally representing him and fighting for him to stay in the UK.

You really think he thinks he's going to get away with it? Given some of the madness going on at the moment, it isn't really surprising to me that some people are forcing the issue rather than playing themselves into trouble.
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Isn’t that the Southport stabbings, not the Manchester Airport Incident. I wasn’t aware that anyone had been killed in the latter incident!
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #547
rob9872 said:
Surely it just needs to run its course? Any attempts to accelerate, use parliamentary privilege or other prosecutions, means they are less likely to be convicted due to not being able to get a fair trial.
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Not get a fair trial? It’s not as if there isn’t clear video evidence of them assaulting police officers.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #548
MalcSB said:
Isn’t that the Southport standings, not the Manchester Airport. I wasn’t aware that anyone had been killed in the latter incident!
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I think the two are blending into different threads. That being said, there is some cross over generally.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 17, 2024
  • #549
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think the two are blending into different threads. That being said, there is some cross over generally.
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I did comment on the Southport stabbings
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #550
Sky Blue Pete said:
I did comment on the Southport stabbings
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Recently? On this thread?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #551
Sky Blue Pete said:
Actually forgive me anyone can but dpp can take it over at any time
Pure theatre from Farage and the boys
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Manchester police have handed over the information to the DPP, the delay in charging is with them. Do we know anyone who might retain some influence there?
DPP can take over the prosecution, and could choose to drop it. I would imagine that would result in quite an abreaction.
 

duffer

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #552
FFS, we're not still banging on about a two tier justice system are we?

Do your own research. The average time it was taking for cases to get to court was 200 days or more back in 2023, and it's got significantly worse since then. There's a vast backlog in the courts and in the CPS case files, and strangely enough that also got considerably worse under the last government.

The only cases that got turned around quickly have been the rioters, which was a government choice to stem widespread disorder.

Everyone else has to grind through the system, no matter how black and white your personal opinion on it is. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

If this particular case upsets you, then that's down to you, but I can't see any evidence that this is being treated differently to any other affray, assault, or assault police officer case that happens in every town, every Saturday night.

Charge to case completion at court - CJS Dashboard

criminal-justice-delivery-data-dashboards.justice.gov.uk
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #553
duffer said:
FFS, we're not still banging on about a two tier justice system are we?

Do your own research. The average time it was taking for cases to get to court was 200 days or more back in 2023, and it's got significantly worse since then. There's a vast backlog in the courts and in the CPS case files, and strangely enough that also got considerably worse under the last government.

The only cases that got turned around quickly have been the rioters, which was a government choice to stem widespread disorder.

Everyone else has to grind through the system, no matter how black and white your personal opinion on it is. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

If this particular case upsets you, then that's down to you, but I can't see any evidence that this is being treated differently to any other affray, assault, or assault police officer case that happens in every town, every Saturday night.

Charge to case completion at court - CJS Dashboard

criminal-justice-delivery-data-dashboards.justice.gov.uk
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There is a public interest and trust issue here, as there was with the rioters.

The fact that government intervened and accelerated the riot and social media cases is demonstrable evidence of a two tier system.

At least a decision on charges could be made. It’s not as if there isn’t a video showing multiple assaults on emergency workers to help in that regard.

Your stats show time from charge to completion, which is irrelevant as charges have yet to be laid despite there being some fairly clear evidence
 
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duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #554
MalcSB said:
There is a public interest and trust issue here, as there was with the rioters.

The fact that government intervened and accelerated those cases is demonstrable vidence of a two tier ssyatem.

At least a decision on charges could be made.
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It would be a two tier system if the Manchester airport incident was an organised riot. Was it?

The reasons for pushing through the prosecutions on the rioters were quite clearly stated, whether you agree with them or not is moot. Other than that, where's your evidence that the Manchester incident is being treated differently to any other criminal case?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #555
duffer said:
FFS, we're not still banging on about a two tier justice system are we?

Do your own research. The average time it was taking for cases to get to court was 200 days or more back in 2023, and it's got significantly worse since then. There's a vast backlog in the courts and in the CPS case files, and strangely enough that also got considerably worse under the last government.

The only cases that got turned around quickly have been the rioters, which was a government choice to stem widespread disorder.

Everyone else has to grind through the system, no matter how black and white your personal opinion on it is. It's not a fucking conspiracy.

If this particular case upsets you, then that's down to you, but I can't see any evidence that this is being treated differently to any other affray, assault, or assault police officer case that happens in every town, every Saturday night.

Charge to case completion at court - CJS Dashboard

criminal-justice-delivery-data-dashboards.justice.gov.uk
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Isn't the issue that they haven't even been charged, not that it hasn't got to court?

Can you see the difference between the airport and this one?

Man received prison sentence following assault of police officers and hospital staff

Anthony Evans, 58 of no fixed address has been sentenced to 20 weeks behind bars and is required to pay £100 worth of compensation.
coventryobserver.co.uk

Where he was charged and sentenced within a couple of months?

What about this one?

https://www.warwickshire.police.uk/news/warwickshire/news/2024/may/two-sentenced-following-assaults-on-police-officers/
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #556
duffer said:
It would be a two tier system if the Manchester airport incident was an organised riot. Was it?

The reasons for pushing through the prosecutions on the rioters were quite clearly stated, whether you agree with them or not is moot. Other than that, where's your evidence that the Manchester incident is being treated differently to any other criminal case?
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Where’s your evidence that It isn’t?
There is no reason why a decision to charge, or not, couldn’t have been made.
Continued delay could easily lead to more disturbances and breaches of the peace.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #557
Nick said:
Isn't the issue that they haven't even been charged, not that it hasn't got to court?

Can you see the difference between the airport and this one?

Man received prison sentence following assault of police officers and hospital staff

Anthony Evans, 58 of no fixed address has been sentenced to 20 weeks behind bars and is required to pay £100 worth of compensation.
coventryobserver.co.uk

Where he was charged and sentenced within a couple of months?

What about this one?

https://www.warwickshire.police.uk/news/warwickshire/news/2024/may/two-sentenced-following-assaults-on-police-officers/
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Exactly the point.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #558
MalcSB said:
Recently? On this thread?
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On the Southport one to Earlsdon saying one side of the debate wasn’t interested now it was a convert to Islam. I think that’s what he meant and I said it was abhorrent whether it was a Muslim a Christian or an atheist
 

rob9872

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #559
Sky Blue Pete said:
On the Southport one to Earlsdon saying one side of the debate wasn’t interested now it was a convert to Islam. I think that’s what he meant and I said it was abhorrent whether it was a Muslim a Christian or an atheist
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I can't remember the last terrorist attack in the name of atheism
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #560
rob9872 said:
I can't remember the last terrorist attack in the name of atheism
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You get the pojnt though how can the stabbing of 3 young girls be worse just cause it was a Muslim that did it?
 
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