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Leon Clarke joins on loan?? (7 Viewers)

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  • Start date Dec 24, 2012
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dongonzalos

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  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #106
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Thanks, at least someone sees it my way!

People are saying SISU have an end game to get the RICOH, but even that won't make up their losses (40+m) unless we gets to the prem. Also, in the context of society, SISU are driven by profit, like every corporation, so their only option is to try and get to the prem, I think this is why we are seeing a change in policy from SISU. The main criticism of they don't replace our best players, well, we have already replaced McG with Clarke, 3rd top goalscorer with 23rd Scunny, and this is before McG has even left so we could end up with 2 of the best strikers in L1.

IMO, getting relegated could be a blessing in disguise, we're (hopefully) rising out of the ashes like a Phoenix.
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Skybluestaylor is TF.

The student bit is too throw everyone completely off the scent. How many A level students do you know arguing at this level.

Well done TF.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #107
dongonzalos said:
Skybluestaylor is TF.

The student bit is too throw everyone completely off the scent. How many a level students do you know arguing at this level.

Well done TF.
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If you really think I'm TF... You need help bro.

I do take compliment that you are calling me intelligent, but, I'm Taylor, not TF.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #108
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
If you really think I'm TF... You need help bro.

I do take compliment that you are calling me intelligent, but, I'm Taylor, not TF.
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Happy Xmas Tim
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #109
dongonzalos said:
Happy Xmas Tim
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*Taylor

You to, Dong
 
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valiant15

New Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #110
Relegation is a blessing in disguise. Priceless.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #111
valiant15 said:
Relegation is a blessing in disguise. Priceless.
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Ask yourself, where we'd be if we stayed up?
 
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valiant15

New Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #112
In the championship.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #113
I believe the relegation was intended, if the most stupid owners in the world could not have made those decisions last season and not know what the outcome would be.
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #114
gaz said:
Yes, thanks Higgs trust and Coventry council for letting us have the Ricoh for such a fair and reasonable price.
Thanks very much.
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ccfc agreed the rent sisu knew the rent when they took us on. 5yrs later they argue; it its far too late should of been done three seasons ago live with it play fair.
 

Gaz

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  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #115
I think that clearly is the problem my fellow skyblue.
We can not live with it.
 

blueflint

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  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #116
Evans020 said:
Capitalism can also be immoral.shit happens.couldn't care 1 bit for acl.
Don't moan or get angry when gas electricity companies keep putting putting your prices up because its immoral not to pay them lol.give me a break
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cant argue with that but why should we lower ourselves to that standard we are better than that i hope
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #117
valiant15 said:
In the championship.
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And facing the same proposition - relegation!
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #118
If the long game is the to put ACL out of business relegation would support that .

Positives for SISU

Wages down
Chances of success up = attendances up.
Business case to support withholding rent or getting rent for next to nothing due to League one status, up
Fans expect the cost cutting.
Fans accept loanees and free transfers as signings

Negatives income down ( less than the cost cutting), so not really an issue.
 

Gaz

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #119
I honestly don't think Sisu wanted us relegated.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #120
dongonzalos said:
If the long game is the to put ACL out of business relegation would support that .

Positives for SISU

Wages down
Chances of success up = attendances up.
Business case to support withholding rent or getting rent for next to nothing due to League one status, up
Fans expect the cost cutting.
Fans accept loanees and free transfers as signings

Negatives income down ( less than the cost cutting), so not really an issue.
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Aim get back into championship with overall cheaper squad and much lower costs such as rent. Higher attendances on the back of success and an air of expectation.

Damage done to the resolve of ACL for the bigger picture.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #121
dongonzalos said:
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Aim get back into championship with overall cheaper squad and much lower costs such as rent. Higher attendances on the back of success and an air of expectation.

Damage done to the resolve of ACL for the bigger picture.
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'It's not just a normal long term destruction of another business. '

'It's a SISU destruction of another business'
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #122
Why do we pay rent? Because ACL are entrusted with the lease. Why are we not part of ACL? Because McGinnity sold off our share in the venture to pay off debts. Why did we have enormous debts? Because Richardson took a punt.

You want the root cause here that man is it. If the club hadn't sold its share there would have been none of this nonsense now. The way people applaud Fisher for his handling of this is an utter embarrassment.
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #123
dongonzalos said:
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Aim get back into championship with overall cheaper squad and much lower costs such as rent. Higher attendances on the back of success and an air of expectation.

Damage done to the resolve of ACL for the bigger picture.
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That's madness. Only a fool would try and get back to the Championship when relegation is such a great idea. Why not repeat the trick and get even lower wages, higher attendance etc.?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #124
mrtrench said:
That's madness. Only a fool would try and get back to the Championship when relegation is such a great idea. Why not repeat the trick and get even lower wages, higher attendance etc.?
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Why not just get relegated every season-soon SISU's costs will be zero and the derbies with Cov Sphinx will bring in hundreds.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #125
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why do we pay rent? Because ACL are entrusted with the lease. Why are we not part of ACL? Because McGinnity sold off our share in the venture to pay off debts. Why did we have enormous debts? Because Richardson took a punt.

You want the root cause here that man is it. If the club hadn't sold its share there would have been none of this nonsense now. The way people applaud Fisher for his handling of this is an utter embarrassment.
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Who were the debtors who got paid off when we sold our share?

To be honest though

The day SISU took over they were aware of the history.

I am more focused on watching what they do now.

The way I see it we really do seem to keep making pacts with the devil. One day the devil will trade those pacts in....
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #126
Nice idea BoltonSkyBlue. But aim to lose those games against Sphinx too - cannot forget the bottom line,
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #127
We sold it for what, £5m?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #128
mrtrench said:
Nice idea BoltonSkyBlue. But aim to lose those games against Sphinx too - cannot forget the bottom line,
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Like that thinking. Must be off-Peter Kay's on at the Reebok and he's handing out fresh Bisto to the first hundred through the door.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2012
  • #129
mrtrench said:
That's madness. Only a fool would try and get back to the Championship when relegation is such a great idea. Why not repeat the trick and get even lower wages, higher attendance etc.?
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Have our costs fallen?

Will our attendances rise if we get in the top six.

Is the ' average league one rent' line the main point of sisus rent argument.

If SISU get the rent down and get us promoted. Will the relegation overall be the best thing that happened to them or the worst?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #130
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why do we pay rent? Because ACL are entrusted with the lease. Why are we not part of ACL? Because McGinnity sold off our share in the venture to pay off debts. Why did we have enormous debts? Because Richardson took a punt.

You want the root cause here that man is it. If the club hadn't sold its share there would have been none of this nonsense now. The way people applaud Fisher for his handling of this is an utter embarrassment.
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I don't applaud TF, but if it works, I won't complain.
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #131
dongonzalos said:
Have our costs fallen?

Will our attendances rise if we get in the top six.

Is the ' average league one rent' line the main point of sisus rent argument.

If SISU get the rent down and get us promoted. Will the relegation overall be the best thing that happened to them or the worst?
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Why the big suit?
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #132
League one rent bollocks which is TFs argument.
Is everyone forgetting that when Sisu stopped paying the rent we were in the championship.
Now i agree with a rent reduction but we still don't have all the facts of what is involved in all the costs, to be able to make an informed decision which is fair.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #133
sky blue john said:
League one rent bollocks which is TFs argument.
Is everyone forgetting that when Sisu stopped paying the rent we were in the championship.
Now i agree with a rent reduction but we still don't have all the facts of what is involved in all the costs, to be able to make an informed decision which is fair.
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Our rent is way above Championship average, the argument is still applicable.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #134
Our ground is way above average as well. If you went to away games you wouldn't use this excuse as much. We would be much better off with a smaller ground in many ways. HR would have been perfect.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #135
sky blue john said:
League one rent bollocks which is TFs argument.
Is everyone forgetting that when Sisu stopped paying the rent we were in the championship.
Now i agree with a rent reduction but we still don't have all the facts of what is involved in all the costs, to be able to make an informed decision which is fair.
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The rent is the rent end of. We pay £1.2 million. Additional match day costs are extra and will cost the club circa £300,000 on top. So it's £1.5 million.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #136
Astute said:
Our ground is way above average as well. If you went to away games you wouldn't use this excuse as much. We would be much better off with a smaller ground in many ways. HR would have been perfect.
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I would argue its really not much better than many of the rented grounds including Portman Road and the K C
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #137
Grendel said:
I would argue its really not much better than many of the rented grounds including Portman Road and the K C
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Unlike the RICOH, both have actually hosted premiership games
 
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valiant15

New Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #138
If you don't like the ricoh don't go in. Simple.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #139
valiant15 said:
If you don't like the ricoh don't go in. Simple.
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I never said I don't like it, I love our (shall I say, ACL's) stadium, prefer it over HR (I don't have memories you older lot have, unfortunately!) but because we don't own the ground, I'd rather we stay at HR.

My point was, people banging on about the RICOH being a premier league facility but we haven't hosted a premiership game - yet! Furthermore, Portmanteau Road nod the KC are both premiership facilities and have hosted games there as well, and the clubs who play there pay considerably less rent than CCFC at the RICOH, for not much more.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 25, 2012
  • #140
valiant15 said:
If you don't like the ricoh don't go in. Simple.
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Many don't
 
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