Just had a strange phone call (1 Viewer)

[NorthernWisdom]

it's been pretty much forward momentum for the club since Robins returned. But no club keeps continually moving forward without occasionally taking a backward step.
I think too many clubs are quick to get shot of the manager when that first backward step occurs.

I'm hoping we resist that temptation if we do have a poor season.
I think Grendel is saying we need to stay up at all costs because our very survival depends on it and if that means binning Robins to get a new manager bounce to achieve it then so be it.

Personally I don't agree and I'm hoping that the owners can sort out the ground situation so a relegation doesn't jeopardise our existence.

Way back when all this kicked off, there were noises about how we wanted to introduce a Crewe model. Well we have kind of done that. There's certainly an argument that keeping the club bouncing between Championship and top half League One, with players attracted to come here as they'll develop in a good style of play, and be sold for profit for the club, would be more profitable than hoof and survive.

 

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[clint van damme]

Way back when all this kicked off, there were noises about how we wanted to introduce a Crewe model. Well we have kind of done that. There's certainly an argument that keeping the club bouncing between Championship and top half League One, with players attracted to come here as they'll develop in a good style of play, and be sold for profit for the club, would be more profitable than hoof and survive.

it's a decent premise and it's certainly been working up to now as you say. I think Grendels argument is we can't afford to be back in League one, I think he's probably right, certainly for more than a season. But I don't think pulling the trigger on a manager the first time we face a bit of adversity is the answer.

 

[NorthernWisdom]

it's a decent premise and it's certainly been working up to now as you say. I think Grendels argument is we can't afford to be back in League one, I think he's probably right, certainly for more than a season. But I don't think pulling the trigger on a manager the first time we face a bit of adversity is the answer.

But the Crewe system could be more profitable overall relegating back to League One, than staying up and not developing players of value.

We know what happens with the spiral of ever decreasing circles. We've been there, done that. May as well try something different.

 

[clint van damme]

But the Crewe system could be more profitable overall relegating back to League One, than staying up and not developing players of value.

We know what happens with the spiral of ever decreasing circles. We've been there, done that. May as well try something different.

totally agree. I also don't think it makes sense to build up a successful recruitment model and attractive playing style and toss them in the bin at the first sign of trouble to bring in a Warnock type whose football makes your eyes bleed.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But the Crewe system could be more profitable overall relegating back to League One, than staying up and not developing players of value.

We know what happens with the spiral of ever decreasing circles. We've been there, done that. May as well try something different.

I guess there'd be less reliance on such a model if we were in Coventry in front of 15-20k a week rather than in Birmingham on half that

 

[Grendel]

Way back when all this kicked off, there were noises about how we wanted to introduce a Crewe model. Well we have kind of done that. There's certainly an argument that keeping the club bouncing between Championship and top half League One, with players attracted to come here as they'll develop in a good style of play, and be sold for profit for the club, would be more profitable than hoof and survive.

Great what a prospect - the Crewe model

 

[Grendel]

But the Crewe system could be more profitable overall relegating back to League One, than staying up and not developing players of value.

We know what happens with the spiral of ever decreasing circles. We've been there, done that. May as well try something different.

It isn’t - take a look at Barnsley’s last set of accounts

 

[Grendel]

This thread is pointless, just like the same thread from last year. Attention seeking at its worst

You seem to have made more posts on it than any other I can recall so it’s got your attention

 

[Ring Of Steel]

totally agree. I also don't think it makes sense to build up a successful recruitment model and attractive playing style and toss them in the bin at the first sign of trouble to bring in a Warnock type whose football makes your eyes bleed.

It’s also the Ajax model, and it makes perfect sense for where we are right now.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Way back when all this kicked off, there were noises about how we wanted to introduce a Crewe model. Well we have kind of done that. There's certainly an argument that keeping the club bouncing between Championship and top half League One, with players attracted to come here as they'll develop in a good style of play, and be sold for profit for the club, would be more profitable than hoof and survive.

I think we have a mix of that and Brentford's system, bringing in undervalued talent from abroad and once they prove it selling on for a vastly inflated figure allowing the club to run sustainably and reinvest in the team. We have the added benefit of an academy with a proven record of developing young talent and giving it a chance in the first team. That might have to be done more through the loan market if we maintain our status at this level now though.

 

[Finham]

Honestly I think you have me confused with someone else and I have no idea as to what you are trying to say.

Most of the time I violently disagree with your total nonsense but vaguely understand you are a narcissist looking for attention from behind a keyboard - so these days I just mostly ignore you. Seriously not worth it.

I think he's alluding to this guy- Matthew Hopkins - Wikipedia

He's also portrayed by Vincent Price in that 1968 horror film Witchfinder General (Hopkins, not Grendel).

 

[NorthernWisdom]

I think he's alluding to this guy- Matthew Hopkins - Wikipedia

He's also portrayed by Vincent Price in that 1968 horror film Witchfinder General (Hopkins, not Grendel).

Also subject of a song by doom metal band Cathedral.

 

[Grendel]

Also subject of a song by doom metal band Cathedral.

Also an actual rock band - rather like DT the name was much better than the performance

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Also an actual rock band - rather like DT the name was much better than the performance

Back to the topic G, what's your threshold for calling the taxi?

 

[Grendel]

Back to the topic G, what's your threshold for calling the taxi?

The basic point here is we should survive. I don’t think Rotherham or Wycombe have had the money we had in close season and we finished higher than them. We’ve another team on (12) and also Barnsley and Luton are equally limited. It’s a far easier season to survive than if say we had been promoted when Mowbray fluffed it

So relegation is failure and this manager hasn’t got a great CV at this level. So relegation to me is failure.

If we are competitive throughout we stick with what we have but if we are falling behind the above teams that’s a concern as there’s no reason for it

 

[steve cooper]

It's been 11 days short of a year since we last lost at St Andrews before Friday. MR took us up as champions, losing only 3 games, and I think only Jurgen Klopp had a (marginally) better record across the 4 divisions. Yet we are talking of sacking him at some point in the future if results don't go the way we think they should.
I'm glad I'm not a football manager

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I don’t mean it as “who can do better” but out of interest G, who would you hire in our price range?

 

[cc84cov]

I don’t mean it as “who can do better” but out of interest G, who would you hire in our price range?

I can’t actually believe your having this conversation

 

[Skyblueweeman]

The basic point here is we should survive. I don’t think Rotherham or Wycombe have had the money we had in close season and we finished higher than them. We’ve another team on (12) and also Barnsley and Luton are equally limited. It’s a far easier season to survive than if say we had been promoted when Mowbray fluffed it

So relegation is failure and this manager hasn’t got a great CV at this level. So relegation to me is failure.

If we are competitive throughout we stick with what we have but if we are falling behind the above teams that’s a concern as there’s no reason for it

OK, so I'll ask you again...So why mention about a taxi in 8 weeks??

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Can the taxi divert to Ole's house, then call round for Jürgen?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can the taxi divert to Ole's house, then call round for Jürgen?

Can't maintain a 2 metre distance there sorry

 

[Ring Of Steel]

OK, so I'll ask you again...So why mention about a taxi in 8 weeks??

He hasn't got a clue and thats not the idea behind all this anyway, its all about trying to prove he "saw it all coming" & was right all along.

 

[capel & collindridge]

Had a call from a taxi firm asking where he needs to go.

I told him I’d provisionally booked one for 8 weeks time so don’t bother me now but keep the engine turning over

I know you were being deliberately vague and implying to the unnamed taxi firm that you have a position of influence or importance within CCFC that your clearly don't have, but if MR can trace this taxi call back to you, wouldn't he have a good claim for destructive dismissal?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He hasn't got a clue and thats not the idea behind all this anyway, its all about trying to prove he "saw it all coming" & was right all along.

It’s also done in full knowledge that we have a grim set of fixtures to come in that time.

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

I can’t actually believe your having this conversation

Agreed. It's ludicrous.

And who the f...k cares about what Grendel thinks anyway - it beggars belief that anyone thinks he has anything constructive to say on the management or the team.

 

[Grendel]

I know you were being deliberately vague and implying to the unnamed taxi firm that you have a position of influence or importance within CCFC that your clearly don't have, but if MR can trace this taxi call back to you, wouldn't he have a good claim for destructive dismissal?

What exactly is a destructive dismissal

 

[capel & collindridge]

What exactly is a destructive dismissal

Clearly not a very constructive dismissal!

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I can’t actually believe your having this conversation

I was just intrigued. Not in anyway saying sack Robins

 

[Grendel]

I’ve told the taxi to stay on hold, but they’ve just told me some bloke called Danny Thomas wants it delivered now

 

[cc84cov]

I’ve told the taxi to stay on hold, but they’ve just told me some bloke called Danny Thomas wants it delivered now

I want a 7 seater in so we can fit a few in

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not available now actually but likely will be - perfect manager swap actually other than Robins seems adverse to heading south

 

[DannyThomas_1981]

I’ve told the taxi to stay on hold, but they’ve just told me some bloke called Danny Thomas wants it delivered now

Fuck off Scrooge.

 

[SBAndy]

I’ve told the taxi to stay on hold, but they’ve just told me some bloke called Danny Thomas wants it delivered now

Dear lord. Own it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Just here for the banter.

 

[Grendel]

Fuck off Scrooge.

What a zinger.