Immigration and Asylum (4 Viewers)

[PVA]

oddly through social media messaging.

Right, so you agree with me that social media is encouraging all the dickheads?

 

[Grendel]

Right, so you agree with me that social media is encouraging all the dickheads?

It encourages both sides of the debate. Both sides.

As an example you swallowed the Burnham messaging on bus fares which was abject nonsense. To suggest you don’t formulate your ideas from social media messaging is beyond parody

 

[PVA]

It encourages both sides of the debate. Both sides.

I've never said otherwise.

But there's one side that's claiming to be true British patriots while swallowing everything from bad faith actors abroad

 

[Grendel]

I've never said otherwise.

But there's one side that's claiming to be true British patriots while swallowing everything from bad faith actors abroad

And there’s another side that swallows the drivel from the Fox Killer in a Kimono and the odious grifter who tried to get riots in Middlesbrough started with Muslim acid attack lies.

 

[PVA]

And there’s another side that swallows the drivel from the Fox Killer in a Kimono and the odious grifter who tried to get riots in Middlesbrough started with Muslim acid attack lies.

So you're agreeing with me again. Strange argument this, even for you.

 

[Grendel]

I see the good old GLP is now raising funds to back the greens gender equality campaign (good luck with that given their latest influx of members) and a public enquiry for Arday.

The country pile meanwhile just gets bigger and bigger.

 

[Grendel]

So you're agreeing with me again. Strange argument this, even for you.

well yes I believe people like you just believe what you want to hear

 

[Grendel]

Again what's the solution?

You have asked me a few times

If you really want ultimately zero boat crossings then you find another country to house them before processing. You could achieve this. Sweden have used Estonia to house some prisoners. You could very easily find a country to house them. You could also then take a very long time to process them and adopt a rule only 10% a year would be allowed entry. The cost in the first few years would be much higher but very quickly the appetite to chance your luck to come would go very quickly

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Whilst there may be questions about how the processing is working would you prefer people to be entering the country undetected and just disappearing?

False dichotomy. We should be turning the boats around before they enter UK waters as well as treating ringleaders as terrorists and hunting them on foreign soil.

That destroys their business model.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Let's be honest the small boats are ideal for the current and previous governments, they create a very useful scapegoat for the abject failure of their economic model (same applies in other parts of Western Europe to an extent).

 

[PVA]

False dichotomy. We should be turning the boats around before they enter UK waters as well as treating ringleaders as terrorists and hunting them on foreign soil.

That destroys their business model.

Turning boats around would violate all manner of International and Human Rights laws.

If it really were that simple it would have been done by now.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Turning boats around would violate all manner of International and Human Rights laws.

If it really were that simple it would have been done by now.

Exactly, that’s why the HRA needs to be repealed and we should leave the ECHR. Dominic Cummings has spoken at length how these conventions and legislations paralyse the governments ability to deal with these challenges.

The web of these conventions are hopelessly outdated and demonstrably unfit for today’s challenges. They were drawn up in the 1950s with those specific challenges and contexts in mind.

 

[chiefdave]

Three arrested after raid on gang accused of helping migrants pretend to be gay to get asylum

Those targeted by Home Office immigration enforcement officers are accused of charging migrants up to £4,500 for fabricated evidence.

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