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If a woman was walking down the street and said 'burn the migrant hotels down for all I care' I would scoff and tell her to stop being silly, I wouldn't expect her to be put in prison.

Only a weak coward would think it's right, or try hide behind 'sentencing guidelines', and there's evidently some on this thread.
get off it. if you walked past a muslim saying burn the local village hotel you would be frothing at the mouth
 
If a woman was walking down the street and said 'burn the migrant hotels down for all I care' I would scoff and tell her to stop being silly, I wouldn't expect her to be put in prison.

Only a weak coward would think it's right, or try hide behind 'sentencing guidelines', and there's evidently some on this thread.
It's not the equivalent of a women walking down the street and saying "burn the migrants hotels down for all I care" to you. With 300k views it's the equivalent of her standing in the middle of Coventry with a loud hailer with all of Coventry out in force encouraging them to "set fire to all the hotels full of the bastards..." Yes most people.wk think she's being an idiot but there will be a portion that will agree and think fuck it you're right let's do it. And that's what happened, people saw that message and messages like that and actually set fires to hotels.

Oh and let's remember it wasn't even an immigrant it was a UK born national that killed those poor kills.

"Weak coward" "pussy" neither make any sense, you're windmilling all over the place.
 
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I would scoff and tell her to stop being silly.

Do you genuinely think what Connolly did falls into the 'silly' category? Posting on X that an old boyfriend is a d*ckhead, sure. Being the wife of a councillor at a point where people are rioting and saying 'set fire to all the f*cking hotels full of the bastards for all I care' seems a bit beyond that.
 
Do you genuinely think what Connolly did falls into the 'silly' category? Posting on X that an old boyfriend is a d*ckhead, sure. Being the wife of a councillor at a point where people are rioting and saying 'set fire to all the f*cking hotels full of the bastards for all I care' seems a bit beyond that.
I'll raise you Ricky Jones though. Perhaps she should have plead not guilty.
 
It's not the equivalent of a women walking down the street and saying "burn the migrants hotels down for all I care" to you. With 300k views it's the equivalent of her standing in the middle of Coventry with a loud hailer with all of Coventry out in force encouraging them to "set fire to all the hotels full of the bastards..." Yes most people.wk think she's being an idiot but there will be a portion that will agree and think fuck it you're right let's do it. And that's what happened, people saw that message and messages like that and actually set fires to hotels.

Oh and let's remember it wasn't even an immigrant it was a UK born national that killed those poor kills.

"Weak coward" "pussy" neither make any sense, you're windmilling all over the place.

Despite the views I don’t many read it and given the other example I gave I doubt it was much of a factor.
 
Riots all over France, including attacks on emergency service workers. The BBC are reporting it as a student protest, which is probably not a million miles away from what the usual suspects on here will comment, if there isn't radio silence.
 
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Riots all over France, including attacks on emergency service workers. The BBC are reporting it as a student protest, which is probably not a million miles away from what the usual suspects on here will comment, if there isn't radio silence.

Virtually the entire planet is reporting it as a student protest (that has clearly escalated way beyond a protest) apart from your fucked up corner of X which I've no doubt is blaming... hmm let me guess... brown people?
 
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Virtually the entire planet is reporting it as a student protest (that has clearly escalated way beyond a protest) apart from your fucked up corner of X which I've no doubt is blaming... hmm let me guess... brown people?

You seem very upset about my post. You wouldn't have commented if I hadn't put the second bit. Doesn't seem like you've actually seen any footage either. Perhaps too busy trying to get your head around the housing policies still?
 
You seem very upset about my post. You wouldn't have commented if I hadn't put the second bit. Doesn't seem like you've actually seen any footage either. Perhaps too busy trying to get your head around the housing policies still?

I've seen plenty of images of the riots, and funnily enough there's people of all colours and backgrounds participating. They all have one thing in common though - they are of student age.

I can imagine the footage you are exposed to only shows people that all have something in common too. I doubt it's their age though.

Ah yes the housing policy that you don't understand, thanks for reminding me.
 
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What's the logical place to post about French school protests that escalate into wider violence? a thread about immigration and asylum in the UK! Got it.
 
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I've seen plenty of images of the riots, and funnily enough there's people of all colours and backgrounds participating. They all have one thing in common though - they are of student age.

I can imagine the footage you are exposed to only shows people that all have something in common too. I doubt it's their age though.

Ah yes the housing policy that you don't understand, thanks for reminding me.
What's the logical place to post about French school protests that escalate into wider violence? a thread about immigration and asylum in the UK! Got it.

I don't know why it is so hard for you to call out violence, which is being cause on a wide scale by migrant communities.
It's not helpful.
 
I don't know why it is so hard for you to call out violence, which is being cause on a wide scale by migrant communities.
It's not helpful.

Because it's being carried out by people of all different communities and backgrounds.

Why are you only blaming migrants? That's certainly not helpful.
 
Because it's being carried out by people of all different communities and backgrounds.

Why are you only blaming migrants? That's certainly not helpful.

These are nationwide riots being mostly done by migrants or second generation, encouraged by leftist politicians.

 
These are nationwide riots being mostly done by migrants or second generation, encouraged by leftist politicians.

Fucking nonsense.

It's students. Like it or not some students are white and some aren't. For whatever reason you only want to pick out certain types.


I guess the French must operate two tier policing as well, no other reason they'd be beating these white kids below, because they aren't rioting apparently. Only migrants are.

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The hard left Fox News said:
More than 625 people, mostly students, have been arrested over two days of violent protests near schools and universities across France over what students say are staffing shortages, dilapidated buildings, overcrowded classes, government budget cuts and long schedules.


Oh and not that it needs to be said, but I fully agree with this.

Simone Rodan-Benzaquen said:
The students’ grievances about missing teachers and deteriorating schools were real at first. But dousing a principal in gasoline and attacking firefighters are acts of extreme violence.

And of course that's disgusting. I don't really care if it's white, black, tapir that has done that - it's disgusting.
 
I worry for the future of France if the students, who are supposedly the brightest examples of their generation, think the way to protest about lack of funding and staffing, is to set fire to the buildings they study in!

Still, I suppose if half of them get arrested, the class sizes will be smaller and they'll need less staff.
 
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I worry for the future of France if the students, who are supposedly the brightest examples of their generation, think the way to protest about lack of funding and staffing, is to set fire to the buildings they study in!

Still, I suppose if half of them get arrested, the class sizes will be smaller and they'll need less staff.
Problem is protesting this extreme which verges on rioting is part of Frances history and culture. They seem to protest / riot at least once a year about something.

Doesn't excuse it, it's vile behaviour.
 
Fucking nonsense.

It's students. Like it or not some students are white and some aren't. For whatever reason you only want to pick out certain types.


I guess the French must operate two tier policing as well, no other reason they'd be beating these white kids below, because they aren't rioting apparently. Only migrants are.

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It's not. It's counterproductive, stupid sh*t that's happening over there. I still don't see what it's got to do with immigration and asylum in the UK.

Calling it simply 'students' is Welsh Choirboy vibes. It's deliberately evasive language because again you don't have the ability to talk about this problem of violence and lawless from migrants and the following generations, who are not assimilated to a progressive society. Just grow a pair and call it out.

 
Calling it simply 'students' is Welsh Choirboy vibes. It's deliberately evasive language because again you don't have the ability to talk about this problem of violence and lawless from migrants and the following generations, who are not assimilated to a progressive society. Just grow a pair and call it out.


Second and third generation migrant? They were born and raised in France, they are French.

How do they even know they are second or third generation migrants? Because they aren't white?
 
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Just grow a pair and call it out.

You quoted a post of mine that doesn't mention schools or students. With that said, it's not up for debate that it began as protests at schools. It's what happened. People using someone else's protest as an excuse to behave like assholes isn't something immigrants have a monopoly on. Nevermind that you're almost certainly conflating 'immigrant' with 'not white'. Really boring stuff.
 
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Second and third generation migrant? They were born and raised in France, they are French.

How do they even know they are second or third generation migrants? Because they aren't white?

Some of them are anyway so that narrative struggles to hold.
 
Second and third generation migrant? They were born and raised in France, they are French.

How do they even know they are second or third generation migrants? Because they aren't white?
You quoted a post of mine that doesn't mention schools or students. With that said, it's not up for debate that it began as protests at schools. It's what happened. People using someone else's protest as an excuse to behave like assholes isn't something immigrants have a monopoly on. Nevermind that you're almost certainly conflating 'immigrant' with 'not white'. Really boring stuff.

Being born in France does not magically erase cultural transmission, identity politics, or group patterns. French citizenship is a legal status. Large shares of second- and third-generation residents of North African and Sub-Saharan origin continue to identify primarily with their parents’ country of origin or with a transnational Muslim identity rather than with France. In a lot of videos you are seeing numerous flags from such countries.

Foreigners are massively overrepresented in the prison system and are responsible for half the crime in Paris alone. That's without even talking about the second generation. It's pretty obvious to anyone that it is a huge problem and the primary factor here in the current violence. As it is after the football when the 'football fans' kick off.

Shouting 'racist' doesn't work anymore. This is from the French government:

 
Being born in France does not magically erase cultural transmission, identity politics, or group patterns. French citizenship is a legal status. Large shares of second- and third-generation residents of North African and Sub-Saharan origin continue to identify primarily with their parents’ country of origin or with a transnational Muslim identity rather than with France. In a lot of videos you are seeing numerous flags from such countries.

Foreigners are massively overrepresented in the prison system and are responsible for half the crime in Paris alone. That's without even talking about the second generation. It's pretty obvious to anyone that it is a huge problem and the primary factor here in the current violence. As it is after the football when the 'football fans' kick off.

Shouting 'racist' doesn't work anymore. This is from the French government:


You got to love AI:

You're raising a set of claims that mix real statistics with interpretive leaps. Let me go through them one by one against what the data actually shows.

On "citizenship doesn't erase cultural transmission"

This is a philosophical claim, not a data point. The INED's Trajectoires et Origines 2 study found that among third-generation immigrants (grandchildren), 75% identify exclusively with France—a rate nearly identical to the 78% among the non-immigrant population. That doesn't mean every individual assimilates, but it does directly contradict the idea of a permanent, unbridgeable identity divide across generations.

On "half the crime in Paris alone"

The claim about foreigners being responsible for "half the crime in Paris" doesn't match the official figure. The Interior Ministry's own data puts the share of foreigners among those mis en cause (identified suspects) at 36% nationally. The "half the crime" figure appears to come from a statement about Marseille city center specifically, where the police prefecture said 60-70% of public street crime was committed by people in an irregular situation. That's a local, specific claim—not Paris, and not all crime.

The 87% figure you may have seen is real, but it's for non-violent theft in Île-de-France public transport specifically, and it refers to mis en cause, not convictions. For all thefts in that system, it's around 80%. The ministry itself links this to organized crime networks exploiting isolated minors—meaning some of those counted as suspects may themselves be victims of trafficking.

On the "primary factor in current violence"

The search results don't support attributing recent violence primarily to immigration. The October 1, 2026 events were a lycéen protest movement over school conditions, and the government blamed La France Insoumise and ultra-left organizers, not migrants. The July 2026 World Cup unrest involved Moroccan fans after France's victory over Morocco, and a suspected gang war in Grenoble. These are different events with different actors.

On the second generation

The Interior Ministry explicitly states it cannot count dual nationals in its crime statistics because police software doesn't record multiple nationalities. So any claim about "the second generation" being responsible for crime is not measurable from the official data you're citing. Naturalized citizens are counted as French. This is a major blind spot, but it cuts both ways—you can't use these stats to claim what you can't measure.

What the data does show

There is overrepresentation of foreigners in certain crime categories, and the ministry acknowledges it. But overrepresentation is not the same as "primary factor," and "mis en cause" is not "convicted." The INED data also shows that immigrant-origin populations face 20-40% lower income and significantly higher unemployment and housing discrimination. Those are material conditions, not culture.

If you want to argue that culture also plays a role, that's a position you can hold—but it's an interpretation, not something the French government's statistics prove. The data shows correlation with nationality; it doesn't isolate causation, and it explicitly excludes the dual nationals you're most concerned about.
 
You got to love AI:

You're raising a set of claims that mix real statistics with interpretive leaps. Let me go through them one by one against what the data actually shows.

On "citizenship doesn't erase cultural transmission"

This is a philosophical claim, not a data point. The INED's Trajectoires et Origines 2 study found that among third-generation immigrants (grandchildren), 75% identify exclusively with France—a rate nearly identical to the 78% among the non-immigrant population. That doesn't mean every individual assimilates, but it does directly contradict the idea of a permanent, unbridgeable identity divide across generations.

On "half the crime in Paris alone"

The claim about foreigners being responsible for "half the crime in Paris" doesn't match the official figure. The Interior Ministry's own data puts the share of foreigners among those mis en cause (identified suspects) at 36% nationally. The "half the crime" figure appears to come from a statement about Marseille city center specifically, where the police prefecture said 60-70% of public street crime was committed by people in an irregular situation. That's a local, specific claim—not Paris, and not all crime.

The 87% figure you may have seen is real, but it's for non-violent theft in Île-de-France public transport specifically, and it refers to mis en cause, not convictions. For all thefts in that system, it's around 80%. The ministry itself links this to organized crime networks exploiting isolated minors—meaning some of those counted as suspects may themselves be victims of trafficking.

On the "primary factor in current violence"

The search results don't support attributing recent violence primarily to immigration. The October 1, 2026 events were a lycéen protest movement over school conditions, and the government blamed La France Insoumise and ultra-left organizers, not migrants. The July 2026 World Cup unrest involved Moroccan fans after France's victory over Morocco, and a suspected gang war in Grenoble. These are different events with different actors.

On the second generation

The Interior Ministry explicitly states it cannot count dual nationals in its crime statistics because police software doesn't record multiple nationalities. So any claim about "the second generation" being responsible for crime is not measurable from the official data you're citing. Naturalized citizens are counted as French. This is a major blind spot, but it cuts both ways—you can't use these stats to claim what you can't measure.

What the data does show

There is overrepresentation of foreigners in certain crime categories, and the ministry acknowledges it. But overrepresentation is not the same as "primary factor," and "mis en cause" is not "convicted." The INED data also shows that immigrant-origin populations face 20-40% lower income and significantly higher unemployment and housing discrimination. Those are material conditions, not culture.

If you want to argue that culture also plays a role, that's a position you can hold—but it's an interpretation, not something the French government's statistics prove. The data shows correlation with nationality; it doesn't isolate causation, and it explicitly excludes the dual nationals you're most concerned about.

You've gone to very great lengths to protect your denial, but prompting an AI to give you a comfort blanket is pointless. It's deflections and selective framing, and downplaying factual statistics.

The Official French Interior Ministry, which I have linked, shows the overrepresentation in foreingers within the criminal justice system. These numbers will be even worse with the 2nd generation. It's there in plain writing. It's plain the the videos being shared today, and in numerous previous episodes of widespread violence in France. There is a massive problem with assimilation, and these cultures. Pretending otherwise just makes you look stupid.
 

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