Hypothetical Question just a bit if fun (1 Viewer)

[dongonzalos]

I don't think I would view that as Coventry City football club with the history if it was based in Northampton.

I would no longer be supporting my local team

 

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[Grendel]

Would you travel to Northampton?

Unlikely but more likely than supporting another team at the Ricoh. If the rugby stadium held 10,000 plus I would support a move there.

 

[dongonzalos]

The new owners will buy the Higgs' share and unite the club and ACL into one body. Might disgust a few on here.

That's what Haskell would like to do but he can't see the figures until the administrator says the club is for sale and releases them.

The hypothetical questions evokes an interesting concept if the club is not for sake and up sticks.

Could someone else bring a low level club to the Ricoh.

Giving Coventry City a football club when they don't have one.

Giving the Ricoh a team. Then spend five years getting the team up to the championship.

 

[dongonzalos]

Unlikely but more likely than supporting another team at the Ricoh. If the rugby stadium held 10,000 plus I would support a move there.

That would then become our limit though. We would accepting we are only ever going to be a 10000 crowd league one club.

 

[stupot07]

The new owners will buy the Higgs' share and unite the club and ACL into one body. Might disgust a few on here.

Owning half the share of ACL won't solve the problems, it only made £1m profit last year and that was with ccfc paying full £1.3m rent. Yes it opens up income streams to put against FFP, but will still require an owner to fund losses if they want to increase the wage bill. And any money put in by owners will likely be in the form of a loan, so adding to our liabilities.

 

[Grendel]

That's what Haskell would like to do but he can't see the figures until the administrator says the club is for sale and releases them.

The hypothetical questions evokes an interesting concept if the club is not for sake and up sticks.

Could someone else bring a low level club to the Ricoh.

Giving Coventry City a football club when they don't have one.

Giving the Ricoh a team. Then spend five years getting the team up to the championship.

If the owners had won the argument and convinced the public that this disgusting profit focused council had fleeced the club for years I would willingly support a team moving for two seasons so a new ground is built.

The hypothesis suggested is stupid. No one would invest in Nuneaton as no one would attend. Few clubs have made such a quantum leap so why would they and why need a 32,000 stadium to do it?

I ask again would you support them as this I think will give a real insight into your true allegiance.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Owning half the share of ACL won't solve the problems, it only made £1m profit last year and that was with ccfc paying full £1.3m rent. Yes it opens up income streams to put against FFP, but will still require an owner to fund losses if they want to increase the wage bill. And any money put in by owners will likely be in the form of a loan, so adding to our liabilities.

It vastly improves the present situation.

 

[stupot07]

It vastly improves the present situation.

I agree it improves the situation, but it won't be the panacea that people think it will be.

 

[dongonzalos]

So I have the name Coventry City at Northampton.

I have a club that used to be called Nuneaton based at the Ricoh

With an owner working in partnership with Coventry City Council.

I guess there is more of a local team factor to the team that are now playing in Coventry.

They would now be my local team not one based in Northampton.

I think I would go along and see how I feel about it.

What would you do, travel to Northampton?

 

[WillieStanley]

I agree it improves the situation, but it won't be the panacea that people think it will be.

Our situation is so complicated that no one solution will work. Stadium ownership, however, is the obvious place to start. It still confuses me that this wasn't the first thing on SISU's agenda when they took over. It would be a massive monkey off our back but there's a billion other monkeys hanging on there. We have to pick them off one by one while remaining competative on the pitch. It's going to be a thankless task but sooooo worthwhile. It all starts at The Ricoh, though.

 

[WillieStanley]

So I have the name Coventry City at Northampton.

I have a club that used to be called Nuneaton based at the Ricoh

With an owner working in partnership with Coventry City Council.

I guess there is more of a local team factor to the team that are now playing in Coventry.

They would now be my local team not one based in Northampton.

I think I would go along and see how I feel about it.

What would you do, travel to Northampton?

That's a non-point, Don. Our hearts will always be in this club. Regardless as to who plays locally. There are many City fans for whom CCFC aren't the local club. They may watch their local team but nothing will ever compare. We've been through too much. We're too connected, spiritually, mentally, academically and emotionally. It's not like the loss of a girlfriend. You can't just put a new girl in your ex's dress and hope things will be the same, they just aren't.

I could watch a thousand teams at The Ricoh and enjoy myself, but if Play Up Sky Blues isn't a part of that then it's never going to be the same.

 

[deanocity3]

As I lived nr Nuneaton when growing up I went to both CCFC and 'The 'Boro so I would love it if the Boro came here.
Let me hide behind this rock so I can't be shot at.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Our situation is so complicated that no one solution will work. Stadium ownership, however, is the obvious place to start. It still confuses me that this wasn't the first thing on SISU's agenda when they took over. It would be a massive monkey off our back but there's a billion other monkeys hanging on there. We have to pick them off one by one while remaining competative on the pitch. It's going to be a thankless task but sooooo worthwhile. It all starts at The Ricoh, though.

'How many monkeys does it take to screw a light bulb?

A billion and one. The billion all jump on SISU's back while the other screws the bulb.'

 

[WillieStanley]

As I lived nr Nuneaton when growing up I went to both CCFC and 'The 'Boro so I would love it if the Boro came here.
Let me hide behind this rock so I can't be shot at.

But that's just it. You already have a connection to Boro. I actually couldn't give a crap!! It's nice when they do well but I've got more of an affinity to Burton Albion than Boro. They are no way near my team so why would I support them because they're dancing in the coffin of my club?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Any Nuneaton fans reading will be in hysterics.

 

[deanocity3]

That's a non-point, Don. Our hearts will always be in this club. Regardless as to who plays locally. There are many City fans for whom CCFC aren't the local club. They may watch their local team but nothing will ever compare. We've been through too much. We're too connected, spiritually, mentally, academically and emotionally. It's not like the loss of a girlfriend. You can't just put a new girl in your ex's dress and hope things will be the same, they just aren't.

I could watch a thousand teams at The Ricoh and enjoy myself, but if Play Up Sky Blues isn't a part of that then it's never going to be the same.

You can't just put a new girl in your ex's dress and hope things will be the same, they just aren't.
sometimes there better.

 

[dongonzalos]

You can't just put a new girl in your ex's dress and hope things will be the same, they just aren't.
sometimes there better.

Like it

 

[deanocity3]

You can't just put a new girl in your ex's dress and hope things will be the same, they just aren't.
sometimes there better.

a bit like this

 

[stupot07]

So I have the name Coventry City at Northampton.

I have a club that used to be called Nuneaton based at the Ricoh

With an owner working in partnership with Coventry City Council.

I guess there is more of a local team factor to the team that are now playing in Coventry.

They would now be my local team not one based in Northampton.

I think I would go along and see how I feel about it.

What would you do, travel to Northampton?

I'd probably just get a golf membership and feck off football for good.

 

[dongonzalos]

I'd probably just get a golf membership and feck off football for good.

As long as you go to a club where they pay to maintain the lawn mowers

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Unlikely but more likely than supporting another team at the Ricoh. If the rugby stadium held 10,000 plus I would support a move there.

They have 1 stand no parking play Rugby Union which is played on longer grass then football will struggle to have both there seen the state of our pitch this season imagine a pitch that is used every week.
It is the Ricoh or nowhere maybe tempted to support AFC Coventry at the Ricoh if Sisu where not in charge.................
or go watch the Sphinx or Alvis

 

[wingy]

a bit like thisView attachment 1928

New every time.

 

[Grendel]

They have 1 stand no parking play Rugby Union which is played on longer grass then football will struggle to have both there seen the state of our pitch this season imagine a pitch that is used every week.
It is the Ricoh or nowhere maybe tempted to support AFC Coventry at the Ricoh if Sisu where not in charge.................
or go watch the Sphinx or Alvis

That is why I said if - again the point is missed.

I assume this hypothesis is ultimately ground ownership. If this club has a choice as it would in other towns with higher capacity Rugby stadiums then we would be better placed to negotiate. We could then have realistically said we would leave. We cannot and so have been held to ransom by a socialist council interested purely in profit maximisation.

 

[dongonzalos]

32k watching Coventry Nuns get promoted to the Championship

300 watching Coventry Diamonds get relegated to The BSD league in Northampton.

Would be a strange state of affair.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

That is why I said if - again the point is missed.

I assume this hypothesis is ultimately ground ownership. If this club has a choice as it would in other towns with higher capacity Rugby stadiums then we would be better placed to negotiate. We could then have realistically said we would leave. We cannot and so have been held to ransom by a socialist council interested purely in profit maximisation.

I believe they were given a good deal people go on about making money from match day selling how much do you think they make at the bars be lucky to clear £7,000 just about pay Bells wages another of Sisu excuses to try split the fans and to deflect fault from themselves.
A multi national hedge fund with the best accountants money can buy but would rather play and pay in Northampton with 1000 fans attending mostly away fans how long will it last?
So you say that they are being held to ransom by a socialist council what the fuck does it make them when they don't care about anyone at the club. Even our top goal scorer never existed,
wiped of the record books forever (will be a good quiz question in 10 years time)

 

[covboy1987]

I believe they were given a good deal people go on about making money from match day selling how much do you think they make at the bars be lucky to clear £7,000 just about pay Bells wages another of Sisu excuses to try split the fans and to deflect fault from themselves.
A multi national hedge fund with the best accountants money can buy but would rather play and pay in Northampton with 1000 fans attending mostly away fans how long will it last?
So you say that they are being held to ransom by a socialist council what the fuck does it make them when they don't care about anyone at the club. Even our top goal scorer never existed,
wiped of the record books forever (will be a good quiz question in 10 years time)

What makes you think the majority of the Nuneaton fans would want to play outside nuneaton and leave there own home

 

[WillieStanley]

32k watching Coventry Nuns get promoted to the Championship

300 watching Coventry Diamonds get relegated to The BSD league in Northampton.

Would be a strange state of affair.

So strange, it would never happen.

 

[stupot07]

It's actually really hypocritical of you Don. You don't want us to be moved out the city, but you would be happy to go and support a club removed from their town (albeit 5-6 miles) and relocated into Coventry.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I never said they did and like us I doubt that they would want to cross the bridges to enter onto our side to watch their home games

What makes you think the majority of the Nuneaton fans would want to play outside nuneaton and leave there own home

 

[James Smith]

Our situation is so complicated that no one solution will work. Stadium ownership, however, is the obvious place to start. It still confuses me that this wasn't the first thing on SISU's agenda when they took over. It would be a massive monkey off our back but there's a billion other monkeys hanging on there. We have to pick them off one by one while remaining competative on the pitch. It's going to be a thankless task but sooooo worthwhile. It all starts at The Ricoh, though.

What I don't understand is:

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they took over?

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they presided over the relegation to League 1?

Why did they take such a long time to do anything about the rent when it is obvious that it needed renegotiating especially after relegation?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What I don't understand is:

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they took over?

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they presided over the relegation to League 1?

Why did they take such a long time to do anything about the rent when it is obvious that it needed renegotiating especially after relegation?

The boycott started and the ARVO charge were filed last April when relegation was inevitable. This was I suspect their plan B all along to force ACL into submission and, failing that, use ARVO to enforce their choice of administrator and recoup as much as possible before leaving.

 

[stupot07]

What I don't understand is:

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they took over?

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they presided over the relegation to League 1?

Why did they take such a long time to do anything about the rent when it is obvious that it needed renegotiating especially after relegation?

Why didnt Robinson, fletcher et al, renegotiate the rent when they were struggle to afford running the club, racking up debt and borrowing money?

 

[WillieStanley]

What I don't understand is:

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they took over?

Why if SISU are such a talented bunch of business people, did they not attempt to renegotiate the rent when they presided over the relegation to League 1?

Why did they take such a long time to do anything about the rent when it is obvious that it needed renegotiating especially after relegation?

I guess it's just a question of priority. They took over in a different climate which has been said on many occassions. They also said that the eventual plan was to excecute the option of the 50% share, so under the Ranson regime they tried to focus on the playing side to gain promotion to the Prem. The error in that plan was that they'd recruited Chris Coleman as manager, who had the strongest squad we've had post Prem but still lead us to repeated relegation battles. Following this, SISU/Onye became impatient and pulled the plug on funding, sold our best players and broke the board. It was then obviously a priority to get a new board in place with a focus on cost cutting. You'd have thought that at this point that rent would become the priority but, I'm sorry, I can't even begin to understand what the Deleui/Brody/Cloughting regimes plan was. Why they didn't try to address it then is beyond me. Instead, they used the tiny transfer budget for a pre-season in Portugal, sold anyone that could kick a ball and replaced them with 2 'keepers and eventually Cody McDonald. Until Fisher/Waggott, there has only been one constant at the top of CCFC and that was Onye. I truly believe he was the influence on the change of direction following the disasterous Coleman era and it was he who let KD make an absolute mockery of our club.

The mismanagement of this club has come from poor recruitment at board and management level. Namely Onye, KD, Brody and Coleman. Anyone will tell you that prioritising can make or break you. The three aforementioned failed to prioritise and allowed a bad situation to grow and grow and grow. The fact that when Ken left he patted himself on the back speaks volumes for the man.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Indeed WS. Dulieu stated quite confidently that the value of the squad had increased under his tenure because of the value of the players' contracts. The whopper given to Bell (contract, not delicious burger) was likely done purely to demonstrate this.

Waggy has been their only worthy appointment.

 

[James Smith]

I guess it's just a question of priority. They took over in a different climate which has been said on many occassions. They also said that the eventual plan was to excecute the option of the 50% share, so under the Ranson regime they tried to focus on the playing side to gain promotion to the Prem. The error in that plan was that they'd recruited Chris Coleman as manager, who had the strongest squad we've had post Prem but still lead us to repeated relegation battles. Following this, SISU/Onye became impatient and pulled the plug on funding, sold our best players and broke the board. It was then obviously a priority to get a new board in place with a focus on cost cutting. You'd have thought that at this point that rent would become the priority but, I'm sorry, I can't even begin to understand what the Deleui/Brody/Cloughting regimes plan was. Why they didn't try to address it then is beyond me. Instead, they used the tiny transfer budget for a pre-season in Portugal, sold anyone that could kick a ball and replaced them with 2 'keepers and eventually Cody McDonald. Until Fisher/Waggott, there has only been one constant at the top of CCFC and that was Onye. I truly believe he was the influence on the change of direction following the disasterous Coleman era and it was he who let KD make an absolute mockery of our club.

The mismanagement of this club has come from poor recruitment at board and management level. Namely Onye, KD, Brody and Coleman. Anyone will tell you that prioritising can make or break you. The three aforementioned failed to prioritise and allowed a bad situation to grow and grow and grow. The fact that when Ken left he patted himself on the back speaks volumes for the man.

Good points and post, I'm sadly not surprised that you think the board are at fault though as I find myself having to agree with you.