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NortonSkyBlue

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #386
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Graham Withey
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I raise you John Gayle with a honourable mention to Dave Bamber.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #387
Sick Boy said:
I’m sure you were later 30s under your other login.
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He was later 30's with kids im sure he said
 

cooperskyblue

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #388
Matt smith said:
He’s not doing himself any favors

he’s not the messiah everyone thinks he is or a lot of people.
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What? Based on hearsay, and rumours. The transfer window has been opened 1 day. Why not wait and see the shape of the team come the first game of the season and then make a fair judgement?
Negativity & criticism now just feels pointless when the off-season is still in its infancy.
 
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hill83

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #389
cooperskyblue said:
What? Based on hearsay, and rumours. The transfer window has been opened 1 day. Why not wait and see the shape of the team come the first game of the season and then make a fair judgement?
Negativity & criticism now just feels pointless when the off-season is still in its infancy.
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NO


 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #390
Ccfcisparks said:
He was later 30's with kids im sure he said
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Was obsessed with this bloke for 6 months

Armand Gnanduillet ?

Released from Turkish club scored plenty for Blackpool and others at lower levels Ivory Coast/French 6’4 striker,always thought he was a good player and a real handful when we played against him reminded me of a league 1 Drogba...does what we expect Baka & Max,could be worth a punt as mentioned...
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #391
Ccfcisparks said:
He was later 30's with kids im sure he said
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Haha you’re getting boring

I genuinely signed up to SBT on the same day someone left so I’m automatically this person

get a life
 

Matt smith

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #392
cooperskyblue said:
What? Based on hearsay, and rumours. The transfer window has been opened 1 day. Why not wait and see the shape of the team come the first game of the season and then make a fair judgement?
Negativity & criticism now just feels pointless when the off-season is still in its infancy.
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Yeah fair comment

just frustrated if what is being quoted is true as we need to keep hamer at all costs
 
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Northeast sky blue

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #393
Matt smith said:
Yeah fair comment

just frustrated if what is being quoted is true as we need to keep hamer at all costs
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You're not one on your own, but it's the same every close season and it usually turns out alright
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #394
Northeast sky blue said:
You're not one on your own, but it's the same every close season and it usually turns out alright
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Fair comment NE

how long can it keep going alright though
 

GIMOC

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #395
cooperskyblue said:
What? Based on hearsay, and rumours. The transfer window has been opened 1 day. Why not wait and see the shape of the team come the first game of the season and then make a fair judgement?
Negativity & criticism now just feels pointless when the off-season is still in its infancy.
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the transfer window is irrelevant in a way. he’s still got a year left on his current contract but the longer negotiations stall the likelihood of him being here come august is smaller. sooner we can get this resolved the better for all parties
 
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skybluestub

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #396
I think we have to secure Gus, £20k isn't a terrifying leap. He is integral to the team, more so than Vik. When we needed players to step up, he did.

Sheaf under contract until 2026, Eccles under contract until 2027. Add Gus into the mix with a new deal, we have a solid base in the middle of the park.

Look at the extra revenue generated from ST's, corporate prices rocketing and potentially a decent chunk in for Vik, not to mention the shirt sales (particularly with Hamer 38 on the back for kids with Gyokeres going!) it would be a travesty if weren't able to get this one over the line, assuming the desire is there from Gus to stay.

I realise there are concerns with regards to sustainability with such an increase, but look at the player he is. He's like a Duracell bunny on heat, he's everywhere. Assists, goals, defensively sound, key set piece taker.

All of the above, and having him under contract drives his price up, whereas come January (assuming he doesn't go this summer) European clubs can come a knocking.

IMO, if truly the ambition is there to be knocking on the play-off door again, this needs to be done, and quickly.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #397
GIMOC said:
I won’t say who but it’s the current situation. this summer window is the biggest I’ve known for the club.
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I hope the last season‘s momentum continues. I’d sign him up on his terms ref wages but then have a release clause of 35million and massive insurance if he becomes injured. Offer him 4 years.
 

cooperskyblue

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #398
GIMOC said:
the transfer window is irrelevant in a way. he’s still got a year left on his current contract but the longer negotiations stall the likelihood of him being here come august is smaller. sooner we can get this resolved the better for all parties
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I don't disagree. Hamer is quality and I think we should be building the side around him too. Securing him to a new deal protects his value.
It would cost us more to buy a replacement and pay them than it would to give Hamer this new deal over 2 or 3 years.
I hope King can get Hamer deal sorted.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #399
Any further increase could be predicated on Vik going for decent fee etc. let’s see it all play out before getting too excited

If rumours correct, not a million miles away which is positive so still a possible deal to be done. I’d probably go to 20k as much to enhance/protect his value but also understand the club wanting to retain some kind of structure. Alternatively could slap some massive incentives in there to protect the club ie 16-17k plus 500k+ on promotion or extra 3k-4k per game. Could also put a very reasonable sale price clause ie 15m next summer so he can get a kicker from buying club if he has another great season. Plenty of options to hopefully get to an agreement…assuming both really want one

Ps I wouldn’t be surprised if the ohare situation has made the club very wary
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #400
Kingokings204 said:
not to mention to feel good factor around the club. I personally would be buzzing if gus stayed on and well excited for the new season.
If he was asking for 30-40k then fair enough but he isn’t and clearly enjoys the area and club.
200k extra for the year is 8 boxes sold.

I can only hope they want the Vik money to be sorted then they can match it.
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That’s another reason to agree on Hamer. He’s going to cost an extra 200k per year…Gyo will be sold for 100+ times more than this sum.
 

SlowerThanPlatt

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #401
Flying Fokker said:
I hope the last season‘s momentum continues. I’d sign him up on his terms ref wages but then have a release clause of 35million and massive insurance if he becomes injured. Offer him 4 years.
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Why would a Championship players agent agree to a £35m release clause? A club wouldn’t pay half that for him
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #402
skybluestub said:
I think we have to secure Gus, £20k isn't a terrifying leap. He is integral to the team, more so than Vik. When we needed players to step up, he did.

Sheaf under contract until 2026, Eccles under contract until 2027. Add Gus into the mix with a new deal, we have a solid base in the middle of the park.

Look at the extra revenue generated from ST's, corporate prices rocketing and potentially a decent chunk in for Vik, not to mention the shirt sales (particularly with Hamer 38 on the back for kids with Gyokeres going!) it would be a travesty if weren't able to get this one over the line, assuming the desire is there from Gus to stay.

I realise there are concerns with regards to sustainability with such an increase, but look at the player he is. He's like a Duracell bunny on heat, he's everywhere. Assists, goals, defensively sound, key set piece taker.

All of the above, and having him under contract drives his price up, whereas come January (assuming he doesn't go this summer) European clubs can come a knocking.

IMO, if truly the ambition is there to be knocking on the play-off door again, this needs to be done, and quickly.
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Bang on this.

Hamer is integral to CCFC, I am not keen on breaking the wage structure, but I'd be more flexible in doing so to tempt Hamer to stay.
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #403
edgy said:
Lads lads lads.... £40k a week isn't £200k a year.
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Who said 40k /week?
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #404
If the numbers were true I’d personally be tempted to give him the money as I think he’s a special player and as good as there is in this league.

However, there’s no point getting too wound to about it as even if they were true we don’t know the full context. For example, the club may have agreed as strict wage ceiling to avoid spiralling costs. It’s possible players and agents would know this. MR likely has a say and might have given a maximum figure where he would rather have the money absolve to bring in more players than keep one.

Those are just two possible scenarios.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #405
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Why would a Championship players agent agree to a £35m release clause? A club wouldn’t pay half that for him
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We have the player for longer? its more about retaining his services/ valuing his contribution amongst the team.
 

edgy

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #406
Flying Fokker said:
Who said 40k /week?
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Ignore ..... move on.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #407
Matt smith said:
Yeah fair comment

just frustrated if what is being quoted is true as we need to keep hamer at all costs
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I’d love to keep him with a plan to becoming club captain but not at all costs. No point panicking. MR knew what cards he had to play and signed a long term contract. He will have a plan.

If down the line he feels he wasn’t backed he will drop subtle hints.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #408
GIMOC said:
after seeing the post about the golf membership. asked for an update

City will only offer 16k a week. Gus wants 20k. Club have said they won’t budge on the 16. Clubs are now coming in for him including Prem
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Ironically 16k vs 20k was what kicked off Dublin's contract dispute bitd
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #409
fernandopartridge said:
Ironically 16k vs 20k was what kicked off Dublin's contract dispute bitd
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As I said earlier - Didn’t Gary Breen want to re-sign on £25k a week and we wouldn’t budge from £20k
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #410
fernandopartridge said:
Ironically 16k vs 20k was what kicked off Dublin's contract dispute bitd
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You saying hamers off to villa…..SBT meltdown !!!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #411
GIMOC said:
I did ask how much is he currently on. around 13k plus add on’s. So for an extra 7k a week it doesn’t make sense why the club don’t offer what he wants.
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he was on £10,000 two weeks ago

The Rebuild- Around Hamer and Sheaf

It would. £20k is not Premier League money though, it's good Championship money. He will be nearly on that anyway and if he was offered a better deal elsewhere why would he stay. No one stays for less - people are saying we should be chucking £40 - £50k a week - its fantasy land
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #412
Grendel said:
he was on £10,000 two weeks ago

The Rebuild- Around Hamer and Sheaf

It would. £20k is not Premier League money though, it's good Championship money. He will be nearly on that anyway and if he was offered a better deal elsewhere why would he stay. No one stays for less - people are saying we should be chucking £40 - £50k a week - its fantasy land
www.skybluestalk.co.uk
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What’s £3,000 to Doug King?
 
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Skybluedownunder

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #413
skybluestub said:
I think we have to secure Gus, £20k isn't a terrifying leap. He is integral to the team, more so than Vik. When we needed players to step up, he did.

Sheaf under contract until 2026, Eccles under contract until 2027. Add Gus into the mix with a new deal, we have a solid base in the middle of the park.

Look at the extra revenue generated from ST's, corporate prices rocketing and potentially a decent chunk in for Vik, not to mention the shirt sales (particularly with Hamer 38 on the back for kids with Gyokeres going!) it would be a travesty if weren't able to get this one over the line, assuming the desire is there from Gus to stay.

I realise there are concerns with regards to sustainability with such an increase, but look at the player he is. He's like a Duracell bunny on heat, he's everywhere. Assists, goals, defensively sound, key set piece taker.

All of the above, and having him under contract drives his price up, whereas come January (assuming he doesn't go this summer) European clubs can come a knocking.

IMO, if truly the ambition is there to be knocking on the play-off door again, this needs to be done, and quickly.
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Until he gets sent off a couple of times and then he can fuck off again! Haha


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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #414
GIMOC said:
yeah if they were no other options. once prem teams start sniffing. He can earn upwards of 20k a week with signing on fee. the club are playing a very dangerous game on this one
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Well he clearly doesn't love the club that much if he's letting such a small difference stop him from signing a new contract with us.
 

mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #415
Playing Devil's Advocate for a minute... we could offer him £20k a week, and he could decline it. He and the agent might just be stalling for time, or trying to make Hamer look like the good guy with reasonable demands. Agent might be a Tw*t that the club don't trust. If we're not budging because we're being rigid about a wage structure, I'll be gutted, but it might not be as clean cut as people seem to be assuming.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #416
mmttww said:
Playing Devil's Advocate for a minute... we could offer him £20k a week, and he could decline it. He and the agent might just be stalling for time, or trying to make Hamer look like the good guy with reasonable demands. Agent might be a Tw*t that the club don't trust. If we're not budging because we're being rigid about a wage structure, I'll be gutted, but it might not be as clean cut as people seem to be assuming.
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I made pretty much the same points above. No point flapping when we don’t know the details.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #417
mmttww said:
Playing Devil's Advocate for a minute... we could offer him £20k a week, and he could decline it. He and the agent might just be stalling for time, or trying to make Hamer look like the good guy with reasonable demands. Agent might be a Tw*t that the club don't trust. If we're not budging because we're being rigid about a wage structure, I'll be gutted, but it might not be as clean cut as people seem to be assuming.
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NO BUT DOUG KING
 
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coop

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #418
Pay him the 20k a week ffs the team and fans need him.Vik will be gone so a few grand a week on to our best player isn't too much of him to ask for plus if we really want to challenge playoffs MR can't keep doing it on a shoestring.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #419
I've heard Leicester have offered 45k a week, 65k if they get promoted, he doesn't want to leave just wants what he thinks he's worth.
 
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Samo

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  • Jun 15, 2023
  • #420
If 20k pays the wages of 2 very good players as some have suggested, I'd still keep Hamer, he's worth 2 very good players.
 
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